Pakistan hampering trade with India: Afghanistan

[KRAIT]

Pakistan wary of India's aid to Afghanistan- 08 Apr 09 - YouTube

Won't you support who saved your kid when he was ill ?

 

[Spring Onion]

It was a documentary I saw a while back where some locals were talking about how most of the goods they get were from Pakistan I believe it was some electrical items and they were saying how Indian ones were superior as they last longer etc but problem was not enough were coming into Afghanistan. I think it was traffic lights they were saying how Pakistani ones they got were always breaking down.

i was a about to ask the same question which Abu Zulfiqar asked.

1. The electronic items are mostly made in China and those who are exporting these items to Afghanistan are mostly Afghan/Tribal traders . Our Karkhano market is full of it and tell you these are NOT as bad as you mentioned.


2. so what other items Afghanistanis prefer from India apart from electronic ones ??

Movies and TV serials. Also Indian spices.

They can get these even without trade route.

 

[MilSpec]

i was a about to ask the same question which Abu Zulfiqar asked.

1. The electronic items are mostly made in China and those who are exporting these items to Afghanistan are mostly Afghan/Tribal traders . Our Karkhano market is full of it and tell you these are NOT as bad as you mentioned.


2. so what other items Afghanistanis prefer from India apart from electronic ones ??

Automotive supplies, spares, Pneumatic compressors, Electric motors, Petrol generators, Inverters, Conventional Machine tools, sintered carbide cutting tools, gaskets and o rings, pharma supplies, Commercial vehicles, Printing machines, Dyes and chemicals, among others.

 

[Armstrong]

Won't you support who saved your kid when he was ill ?

Going by that logic they should either support us or give back all that they've ever received from the Paksitan Bait-ul-Maal (Treasury) whenever they've visited our local hospitals in Pakistan.

And do go through this : Journey of Friendship - Pakistan's Assistance to Afghanistan

We haven't a lot of money but we've done enough !

 

[KRAIT]

Lets send Mopeds and Scooters to Afghanistan.

All second hand motors can be sent there. Why send them just new products if we can give cheap second hand vehicle which they can afford.

Going by that logic they should either support us or give back all that they've ever received from the Paksitan Bait-ul-Maal (Treasury) whenever they've visited our local hospitals in Pakistan.
And do go through this : Journey of Friendship - Pakistan's Assistance to Afghanistan
We haven't a lot of money but we've done enough !

Now imagine if India do this with more money invested.

 

[Armstrong]

Lets send Mopeds and Scooters to Afghanistan.

All second hand motors can be sent there. Why send them just new products if we can give cheap second hand vehicle which they can afford.


Now imagine if India do this with more money invested.

Imagine whatever you want but my answer stands ! Give them Mopeds or Scooters, whatever the hell the first thing is, we don't care - You're targeting the wrong people anyhow without understanding the dynamics of Afghanistan ! You did that in the early '90s too & guess what it brought !

 

[KRAIT]

Imagine whatever you want but my answer stands ! Give them Mopeds or Scooters, whatever the hell the first thing is, we don't care - You're targeting the wrong people anyhow without understanding the dynamics of Afghanistan ! You did that in the early '90s too & guess what it brought !

We don't want proxies in Afghanistan for targeting Pakistan as long as we get stable Afghanistan for trade.

Afghanistan is only way to CARs. As soon as Pakistan supporting militants against India and settle to stop proxy war, India will take it.

The major point of this move was to bring Pakistan to table to stop supporting terrorists against India.

Trade is just added advantage. Even if we agree to move out of A-stan if Pakistan stop sending terrorists, India might accept it.

 

[Armstrong]

We don't want proxies in Afghanistan for targeting Pakistan as long as we get stable Afghanistan for trade.

Afghanistan is only way to CARs. As soon as Pakistan supporting militants against India and settle to stop proxy war, India will take it.

The major point of this move was to bring Pakistan to table to stop supporting terrorists against India.

Trade is just added advantage. Even if we agree to move out of A-stan if Pakistan stop sending terrorists, India might accept it.

On the contrary if India wanted a stable Afghanistan for Trade she would not have supported & created the Northern Alliance along with Iran & the USSR to assert her hold onto Pakistan ! We created the Taliban to counter that & now you guys cry foul !

But whats astonishing is how you guys still don't realize that you don't hold any trump cards over us & that honey moon is at an end because 2014 is just around the corner ! The Taliban are going to be engaged between times of peace & times of fighting with the ANA & whatever remains of the American contingent in Kabul & their adjoining areas whereas we would have close to a free-reign in getting some of our strategic objectives done & dusted with. Which means you can say bye-bye to :

(a) Baluch Militants working against us

(b) the TTP having a free hand to move back & forth between our countries

(c) You using proxies against us

So essentially we can just wait you out & we are ! Everything seems to be working to our advantage :

(a) the US is talking to the Taliban

(b) the TTP, the Uzbek & Tajik militants who've been attacking us are either fighting amongst themselves or asking for peace talks & we're refusing.

(c) the Baluch Militants are a dying breed with a lot of development work being undertaken by the Army in their areas.

(d) Governor Rule has been imposed on Baluchistan which means whatever pockets of BLA, BLF, BRA etc. remain would be cleansed out soon & so will the sectarian outfits targeting our Hazaras.

And so in time the Second Afghan Jihad would die down & peace & stability would be restored to both Pakistan & Afghanistan & when that happens you can trade whatever the hell you want to trade with them. We don't care....we never have ! Trade whatever the hell you want but you started this by supporting the 'Northern Alliance' in the early '90s but we're the ones who are going to bring all of this to an end.

And truly a stable & prosperous Afghanistan has always been our cherished goal & we'd very much want that. We'd want nothing better than for the Afghans & Pakistanis to live like brothers, trading with each other, holidaying in each other's lands & even intermarrying with each other.

P.S Pakistan doesn't send militants into India for such is only alleged !

Take us to the ICJ with evidence to substantiate your claim otherwise its pure conjecture !

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

It was a documentary I saw a while back where some locals were talking about how most of the goods they get were from Pakistan I believe it was some electrical items and they were saying how Indian ones were superior as they last longer etc but problem was not enough were coming into Afghanistan. I think it was traffic lights they were saying how Pakistani ones they got were always breaking down.

Do find the link. I'll also look for the link about raw and value added good coming from our side (forget smuggled goods which end up being resold to our market) as well as the one explaining why many Afghan cities use rupees over their own local currency (the Afghani)

And on that note - the people of Afghanistan are called Afghans, not "Afghanis"

 

[Yeti]

Do find the link. I'll also look for the link about raw and value added good coming from our side (forget smuggled goods which end up being resold to our market) as well as the one explaining why many Afghan cities use rupees over their own local currency (the Afghani)

And on that note - the people of Afghanistan are called Afghans, not "Afghanis"

They did state majority of the goods were from Pakistan, the documentary I saw was a good few years ago during the mushy days ill try finding it if I can but I do tend to watch countless programs.

Bottom line is we should let the Afghan people decide what they wish to buy if Pakistan does not have anything to worry about added competition should be welcomed.


Wonder if Tata Nano would be a hit in Kabul its cheap and gets you to a to b but not sure with those conditions might need some modifying for that market.

 

[Yeti]

India has been asking for a trade corridor to Kabul through Lahore for its trade with Afghanistan. It may replace Pakistani exports and the country may lose a market of about $2 billion, they said.

Pakistan’s trade imbalance with India during these nine months stood at $709 million as Pakistan exported goods worth $247 million and imported goods worth $956 million.


India should be given limited access to Kabul through the proposed corridor, and it is the only way to protect our exports to that country, said Saba.


Yep just what I thought Pakistan is trying to protect its stranglehold it has in Afghanistan that is the only reason it does not want added competition with India as they will lose out.


Afghanistan appears strong trade partner | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

 

[Cheetah786]

Yep just what I thought Pakistan is trying to protect its stranglehold it has in Afghanistan that is the only reason it does not want added competition with India as they will lose out.

1)We are losing billions of rupees/ yr in taxes and duties as all goods coming at our ports for Afghanistan are duty free but 90% end up in Pakistanis stores as they are smuggled back into pakistan.

2)Goods coming into Afghanistan From India are heavily subsidized or practically free on purpose as Indians know they will end up in Pakistan and will hurt Pakistan economy.

This isn't called competition this is called dumping i am all for Transit and trade but dumping Goods into Afghanistan below costs isn't fair Business.

 

[KRAIT]

1)We are losing billions of rupees/ yr in taxes and duties as all goods coming at our ports for Afghanistan are duty free but 90% end up in Pakistanis stores as they are smuggled back into pakistan.
2)Goods coming into Afghanistan From India are heavily subsidized or practically free on purpose as Indians know they will end up in Pakistan and will hurt Pakistan economy.

Yup. Its multi-faceted approach used by India to affect Pakistan especially economy wise.

Do find the link. I'll also look for the link about raw and value added good coming from our side (forget smuggled goods which end up being resold to our market) as well as the one explaining why many Afghan cities use rupees over their own local currency (the Afghani)And on that note - the people of Afghanistan are called Afghans, not "Afghanis"

Posted on same page. What India exports to Afghanistan.

Automotive supplies, spares, Pneumatic compressors, Electric motors, Petrol generators, Inverters, Conventional Machine tools, sintered carbide cutting tools, gaskets and o rings, pharma supplies, Commercial vehicles, Printing machines, Dyes and chemicals, among others.

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[BATMAN]

Had Pakistan reduced subsidy to hindu traders?

Why is this northern alliance warlord scum govt. is crying?

Zardari has done more than enough to support his brothers, now get ready to pay your own bills.

 

[A.Rafay]

The goods that Afghanistan is importing from india can be imported from Pakistan, If Afghanistan wants to do trade why Dont trade fully with Pakistan, why trade with a country who is thousand kilometers away! and its trucks have to cross our country!