masterchief_mirza
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Quite an attention grabbing explanation there, however drastically oversimplified it is.Great nations always create their own culture, especially when they see that the older culture they are inheriting has major problems. A good example are the Americans. Here is the case against the desi culture and the cause of Allah's lanat on us all:
The 4 questions which no desi could ever answer:
“I hold in my hand a book which contains the maps of Europe, showing the political landscape for the past 5000 years. Every race is mentioned here. You have the Nordic people, Gauls, Celtic, Slavs, Latin, Iberian, Turks, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, the Chinese (Mongols) and even the Africans (Africans ruled over Sicily for some time). There is no mention of the Desi people. I categorize Desi people as those who have lived in the sub-continent and were at some time, part of the Mogul empire – mostly inhabitants of the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Sri-lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.
Q1:
Why hasn't anyone from this region (Desi) ever created a mufti-continental empire, in the past 5000 years of known human history? Why have they never ruled the world? No Mai ka lal had enough dam?
When you raise this question with an average Desi, he immediately deploys the default defense mechanism - denying the facts. This is most commonly done by renouncing his actually ethnicity and claiming to be of an Arab, Greek, Mongol, Central Asian or Persian decent. A closer inspection will show that this excuse or line of defense is also useless for the inhabitants of this region. This is because of the way history and events have played out. Every global super power (with one exception) has come to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behinds.
The wall of shame, if we go in reverse, reads something like this: [currently we have the Americans in Afghanistan, eighteen years and counting]. In the 80s you had the Russians who killed many Afghans and Pakistanis. The Chinese attacked and captured a lot of Indian Land in the 60s. Rewind a bit more and you have the British who ruled the area for 200 years. Before that you had the Central Asians, the Mogul Dynasty who ruled for eight hundred years (The Mogul emperors were Central Asian Turko-Mongols from modern-day Uzbekistan). Preceding this you had Genghis Khan, who chose to construct the tallest tower of skulls in the sub-continent - as a sign of his disgust. The Arabs came and ruled a significant portion of the subcontinent for a long period of time (Most of what is now Pakistan was captured during Caliph Omar's time + Mohammad bin Qasim), as did the Persian Empire. Before the Persians we had the good old Alexander the great visiting this region. The only exception are the Romans but I think that they would have kept the pattern going as well if Caesar had not been assassinated. There are two reasons for this confidence - The very next day Caesar was assassinated, he was supposed to take his forces and march east - Who knows where he would have stopped? Secondly, Caesar was a very ambitious man. When he went to Alexandria to sort out the mess between Cleopatra and her brother, he visited Alexander’s tomb and cried there (‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?). So it is possible that Caesar too would have honored you with a visit had he not been killed.
Therefore, no matter at what point you choose to start your history, every generation has had the dishonor of having their behinds kicked. A Desi fellow told my friend that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan (The fact that his features did not look Chinese did not matter to him). My friend told him that reading history must be a very embarrassing experience for him, his father, grandfather and others. When he asked why, my friend said that by bowing their heads to the British for 200 years, they had damaged Genghis Khan's name and legacy.
Q2:
Why is it that every global/regional power came to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behind?
It becomes clear fairly quickly that this wall of shame has nothing to do with religion. Over these 5000 years, the religion of inhabitants of the sub-continent changed a few times. Plus every religion was practiced in this region at one time or another. You currently have Desi Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jews and so on. Someone must have been right! The only thing unique to this region is the Desi culture which has remained fairly intact over the centuries. You can tell a lot from a people’s way of living by looking at their architecture. If you look at the ruins in Taxila and Mohenjo-daro you will see small similarities between Qissa khawani bazaar, Anarkali bazaar and especially Multan (because Multan is a very old city and was around when Alexander visited).
Q3:
What is the Desi cultural handicap that is behind this wall of shame?
The British, published formulas for controlling different groups living under the British Raj (Punjabi, Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Tamil, Kashmiri, Marathi, Gujrati, Bengali etc) in their "British army officer's sipahi training guide". The conclusion of this guide also states that as long as these races shall walk the earth, these formulas shall hold. You bully a Punjabi, bribe a Pushtoon, ignore a Sindhi, corrupt a Kashmiri and control the elders of the Baloch. These formulas are quite offensive but the sad part is that during their 200 year rule, there was never any revision issued - Thus proving their conclusion to some extent.
Q4
This was all published and was common knowledge! Why the helplessness?
A fellow once told me a joke that shed light on the two questions above. He said that after the Day of Judgment, an angel was flying over hell. He looked below and saw a roof of fire with small chimneys. On each chimney there was an angel sitting, holding a rod of metal. Whenever a human head popped out of the chimney, the angel sitting there would strike it down. There was one chimney however, which was unguarded. When the flying angel asked about the unguarded chimney, the angels replied back by saying that underneath that chimney is where we are burning the Desi folks - as soon as one person tries to climb the chimney, the others pull his feet down.”
I think the explanation is far more simple though. The subcontinent's armies didn't march forth and conquer when it had a real chance to do so (Mughalistan) for one reason only. Muslim rulers were unable to subdue the treacherous elite Hindu classes who were perpetually conspiring against them. Keep in mind Muslim rule in the subcontinent was minority rule. You can't expand an empire when all your efforts are wasted on holding it together. The British also realised this phenomenon soon after the mughals. Indeed, this rule holds true for even the Romans and Greeks that you speak so highly of.
When other abrahamic empires came across backwards savages elsewhere who still threw each other into fire, had wailing high priests dancing in the rain sacrificing humans, they simply obliterated them. The mughals and the British mistakenly tried to negotiate with these brahminists and appease their bizarre cultural requirements of subjugating each other via caste mechanics.
Had brahminism been subdued early on, Mughalistan would have risen with vast subcontinental armies and would easily have expanded outwards, had it desired to. In reality though, the subcontinent itself was enough of a prize. I'm not entirely sure - in your hypothetical scenario - why a theoretical eternal Mughal Reich would ever actually need to expand beyond the subcontinent. Maybe it would be worthwhile subduing some restive border regions, but why the deserts of Mesopotamia or the jungles of the south east would appeal is beyond me. The Himalayas at the north are a simple natural barrier. So, the argument that any consolidated subcontinental empire would even need to expand is a difficult one to support.