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Pakistan First ! The case for Pakistani Nationalism.

Great nations always create their own culture, especially when they see that the older culture they are inheriting has major problems. A good example are the Americans. Here is the case against the desi culture and the cause of Allah's lanat on us all:

The 4 questions which no desi could ever answer:

I hold in my hand a book which contains the maps of Europe, showing the political landscape for the past 5000 years. Every race is mentioned here. You have the Nordic people, Gauls, Celtic, Slavs, Latin, Iberian, Turks, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, the Chinese (Mongols) and even the Africans (Africans ruled over Sicily for some time). There is no mention of the Desi people. I categorize Desi people as those who have lived in the sub-continent and were at some time, part of the Mogul empire – mostly inhabitants of the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Sri-lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

Q1:

Why hasn't anyone from this region (Desi) ever created a mufti-continental empire, in the past 5000 years of known human history? Why have they never ruled the world? No Mai ka lal had enough dam?


When you raise this question with an average Desi, he immediately deploys the default defense mechanism - denying the facts. This is most commonly done by renouncing his actually ethnicity and claiming to be of an Arab, Greek, Mongol, Central Asian or Persian decent. A closer inspection will show that this excuse or line of defense is also useless for the inhabitants of this region. This is because of the way history and events have played out. Every global super power (with one exception) has come to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behinds.


The wall of shame, if we go in reverse, reads something like this:
[currently we have the Americans in Afghanistan, eighteen years and counting]. In the 80s you had the Russians who killed many Afghans and Pakistanis. The Chinese attacked and captured a lot of Indian Land in the 60s. Rewind a bit more and you have the British who ruled the area for 200 years. Before that you had the Central Asians, the Mogul Dynasty who ruled for eight hundred years (The Mogul emperors were Central Asian Turko-Mongols from modern-day Uzbekistan). Preceding this you had Genghis Khan, who chose to construct the tallest tower of skulls in the sub-continent - as a sign of his disgust. The Arabs came and ruled a significant portion of the subcontinent for a long period of time (Most of what is now Pakistan was captured during Caliph Omar's time + Mohammad bin Qasim), as did the Persian Empire. Before the Persians we had the good old Alexander the great visiting this region. The only exception are the Romans but I think that they would have kept the pattern going as well if Caesar had not been assassinated. There are two reasons for this confidence - The very next day Caesar was assassinated, he was supposed to take his forces and march east - Who knows where he would have stopped? Secondly, Caesar was a very ambitious man. When he went to Alexandria to sort out the mess between Cleopatra and her brother, he visited Alexander’s tomb and cried there (‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?). So it is possible that Caesar too would have honored you with a visit had he not been killed.

Therefore, no matter at what point you choose to start your history, every generation has had the dishonor of having their behinds kicked. A Desi fellow told my friend that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan (The fact that his features did not look Chinese did not matter to him). My friend told him that reading history must be a very embarrassing experience for him, his father, grandfather and others. When he asked why, my friend said that by bowing their heads to the British for 200 years, they had damaged Genghis Khan's name and legacy.


Q2:
Why is it that every global/regional power came to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behind?


It becomes clear fairly quickly that this wall of shame has nothing to do with religion. Over these 5000 years, the religion of inhabitants of the sub-continent changed a few times. Plus every religion was practiced in this region at one time or another. You currently have Desi Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jews and so on. Someone must have been right! The only thing unique to this region is the Desi culture which has remained fairly intact over the centuries. You can tell a lot from a people’s way of living by looking at their architecture. If you look at the ruins in Taxila and Mohenjo-daro you will see small similarities between Qissa khawani bazaar, Anarkali bazaar and especially Multan (because Multan is a very old city and was around when Alexander visited).


Q3:

What is the Desi cultural handicap that is behind this wall of shame?


The British, published formulas for controlling different groups living under the British Raj (Punjabi, Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Tamil, Kashmiri, Marathi, Gujrati, Bengali etc) in their "British army officer's sipahi training guide". The conclusion of this guide also states that as long as these races shall walk the earth, these formulas shall hold. You bully a Punjabi, bribe a Pushtoon, ignore a Sindhi, corrupt a Kashmiri and control the elders of the Baloch. These formulas are quite offensive but the sad part is that during their 200 year rule, there was never any revision issued - Thus proving their conclusion to some extent.


Q4
This was all published and was common knowledge! Why the helplessness?

A fellow once told me a joke that shed light on the two questions above. He said that after the Day of Judgment, an angel was flying over hell. He looked below and saw a roof of fire with small chimneys. On each chimney there was an angel sitting, holding a rod of metal. Whenever a human head popped out of the chimney, the angel sitting there would strike it down. There was one chimney however, which was unguarded. When the flying angel asked about the unguarded chimney, the angels replied back by saying that underneath that chimney is where we are burning the Desi folks - as soon as one person tries to climb the chimney, the others pull his feet down.”
Quite an attention grabbing explanation there, however drastically oversimplified it is.

I think the explanation is far more simple though. The subcontinent's armies didn't march forth and conquer when it had a real chance to do so (Mughalistan) for one reason only. Muslim rulers were unable to subdue the treacherous elite Hindu classes who were perpetually conspiring against them. Keep in mind Muslim rule in the subcontinent was minority rule. You can't expand an empire when all your efforts are wasted on holding it together. The British also realised this phenomenon soon after the mughals. Indeed, this rule holds true for even the Romans and Greeks that you speak so highly of.

When other abrahamic empires came across backwards savages elsewhere who still threw each other into fire, had wailing high priests dancing in the rain sacrificing humans, they simply obliterated them. The mughals and the British mistakenly tried to negotiate with these brahminists and appease their bizarre cultural requirements of subjugating each other via caste mechanics.

Had brahminism been subdued early on, Mughalistan would have risen with vast subcontinental armies and would easily have expanded outwards, had it desired to. In reality though, the subcontinent itself was enough of a prize. I'm not entirely sure - in your hypothetical scenario - why a theoretical eternal Mughal Reich would ever actually need to expand beyond the subcontinent. Maybe it would be worthwhile subduing some restive border regions, but why the deserts of Mesopotamia or the jungles of the south east would appeal is beyond me. The Himalayas at the north are a simple natural barrier. So, the argument that any consolidated subcontinental empire would even need to expand is a difficult one to support.
 
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Humiliation is a state of the mind. When faced with humiliation people tend to fall in one of two categories. Category A are those who admit their mistakes and embark on course correction – this often involves doing a 180 degree flip and abandoning their position. Good examples include the Germans and the Japanese. After being annihilated in the second world war, these two groups abandoned their beliefs and positions. The result is that today they are included in the leading nations of the world. Category B are people who dig their heels and refuse to abandon their position and insist that they are right. The Russians are good examples here. After loosing the cold war, they refused to adopt the methods of the victorious party. The humiliation for these type of people never really ends.


Here is the sad fact. If any religious dogma (like Hinduism) is in play, one can rule out change in people as the religion will forbid it. Barring any religious dogma, unfortunately, whether one falls in category A or B has nothing to do with the persons abilities, instead it has to do with the persons culture. More specifically it depends on the courage of his or her culture.
 
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Great nations always create their own culture, especially when they see that the older culture they are inheriting has major problems. A good example are the Americans. Here is the case against the desi culture and the cause of Allah's lanat on us all:

The 4 questions which no desi could ever answer:

I hold in my hand a book which contains the maps of Europe, showing the political landscape for the past 5000 years. Every race is mentioned here. You have the Nordic people, Gauls, Celtic, Slavs, Latin, Iberian, Turks, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, the Chinese (Mongols) and even the Africans (Africans ruled over Sicily for some time). There is no mention of the Desi people. I categorize Desi people as those who have lived in the sub-continent and were at some time, part of the Mogul empire – mostly inhabitants of the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Sri-lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

Q1:

Why hasn't anyone from this region (Desi) ever created a mufti-continental empire, in the past 5000 years of known human history? Why have they never ruled the world? No Mai ka lal had enough dam?


When you raise this question with an average Desi, he immediately deploys the default defense mechanism - denying the facts. This is most commonly done by renouncing his actually ethnicity and claiming to be of an Arab, Greek, Mongol, Central Asian or Persian decent. A closer inspection will show that this excuse or line of defense is also useless for the inhabitants of this region. This is because of the way history and events have played out. Every global super power (with one exception) has come to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behinds.


The wall of shame, if we go in reverse, reads something like this:
[currently we have the Americans in Afghanistan, eighteen years and counting]. In the 80s you had the Russians who killed many Afghans and Pakistanis. The Chinese attacked and captured a lot of Indian Land in the 60s. Rewind a bit more and you have the British who ruled the area for 200 years. Before that you had the Central Asians, the Mogul Dynasty who ruled for eight hundred years (The Mogul emperors were Central Asian Turko-Mongols from modern-day Uzbekistan). Preceding this you had Genghis Khan, who chose to construct the tallest tower of skulls in the sub-continent - as a sign of his disgust. The Arabs came and ruled a significant portion of the subcontinent for a long period of time (Most of what is now Pakistan was captured during Caliph Omar's time + Mohammad bin Qasim), as did the Persian Empire. Before the Persians we had the good old Alexander the great visiting this region. The only exception are the Romans but I think that they would have kept the pattern going as well if Caesar had not been assassinated. There are two reasons for this confidence - The very next day Caesar was assassinated, he was supposed to take his forces and march east - Who knows where he would have stopped? Secondly, Caesar was a very ambitious man. When he went to Alexandria to sort out the mess between Cleopatra and her brother, he visited Alexander’s tomb and cried there (‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?). So it is possible that Caesar too would have honored you with a visit had he not been killed.

Therefore, no matter at what point you choose to start your history, every generation has had the dishonor of having their behinds kicked. A Desi fellow told my friend that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan (The fact that his features did not look Chinese did not matter to him). My friend told him that reading history must be a very embarrassing experience for him, his father, grandfather and others. When he asked why, my friend said that by bowing their heads to the British for 200 years, they had damaged Genghis Khan's name and legacy.


Q2:
Why is it that every global/regional power came to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behind?


It becomes clear fairly quickly that this wall of shame has nothing to do with religion. Over these 5000 years, the religion of inhabitants of the sub-continent changed a few times. Plus every religion was practiced in this region at one time or another. You currently have Desi Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jews and so on. Someone must have been right! The only thing unique to this region is the Desi culture which has remained fairly intact over the centuries. You can tell a lot from a people’s way of living by looking at their architecture. If you look at the ruins in Taxila and Mohenjo-daro you will see small similarities between Qissa khawani bazaar, Anarkali bazaar and especially Multan (because Multan is a very old city and was around when Alexander visited).


Q3:

What is the Desi cultural handicap that is behind this wall of shame?


The British, published formulas for controlling different groups living under the British Raj (Punjabi, Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Tamil, Kashmiri, Marathi, Gujrati, Bengali etc) in their "British army officer's sipahi training guide". The conclusion of this guide also states that as long as these races shall walk the earth, these formulas shall hold. You bully a Punjabi, bribe a Pushtoon, ignore a Sindhi, corrupt a Kashmiri and control the elders of the Baloch. These formulas are quite offensive but the sad part is that during their 200 year rule, there was never any revision issued - Thus proving their conclusion to some extent.


Q4
This was all published and was common knowledge! Why the helplessness?

A fellow once told me a joke that shed light on the two questions above. He said that after the Day of Judgment, an angel was flying over hell. He looked below and saw a roof of fire with small chimneys. On each chimney there was an angel sitting, holding a rod of metal. Whenever a human head popped out of the chimney, the angel sitting there would strike it down. There was one chimney however, which was unguarded. When the flying angel asked about the unguarded chimney, the angels replied back by saying that underneath that chimney is where we are burning the Desi folks - as soon as one person tries to climb the chimney, the others pull his feet down.”








What you say is true but unfortunately SAD !

Could it just be that we are not genetically predisposed to be conquerors or pioneers in anything?
 
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Great nations always create their own culture, especially when they see that the older culture they are inheriting has major problems. A good example are the Americans. Here is the case against the desi culture and the cause of Allah's lanat on us all:

The 4 questions which no desi could ever answer:

I hold in my hand a book which contains the maps of Europe, showing the political landscape for the past 5000 years. Every race is mentioned here. You have the Nordic people, Gauls, Celtic, Slavs, Latin, Iberian, Turks, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, the Chinese (Mongols) and even the Africans (Africans ruled over Sicily for some time). There is no mention of the Desi people. I categorize Desi people as those who have lived in the sub-continent and were at some time, part of the Mogul empire – mostly inhabitants of the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Sri-lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

Q1:

Why hasn't anyone from this region (Desi) ever created a mufti-continental empire, in the past 5000 years of known human history? Why have they never ruled the world? No Mai ka lal had enough dam?


When you raise this question with an average Desi, he immediately deploys the default defense mechanism - denying the facts. This is most commonly done by renouncing his actually ethnicity and claiming to be of an Arab, Greek, Mongol, Central Asian or Persian decent. A closer inspection will show that this excuse or line of defense is also useless for the inhabitants of this region. This is because of the way history and events have played out. Every global super power (with one exception) has come to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behinds.


The wall of shame, if we go in reverse, reads something like this:
[currently we have the Americans in Afghanistan, eighteen years and counting]. In the 80s you had the Russians who killed many Afghans and Pakistanis. The Chinese attacked and captured a lot of Indian Land in the 60s. Rewind a bit more and you have the British who ruled the area for 200 years. Before that you had the Central Asians, the Mogul Dynasty who ruled for eight hundred years (The Mogul emperors were Central Asian Turko-Mongols from modern-day Uzbekistan). Preceding this you had Genghis Khan, who chose to construct the tallest tower of skulls in the sub-continent - as a sign of his disgust. The Arabs came and ruled a significant portion of the subcontinent for a long period of time (Most of what is now Pakistan was captured during Caliph Omar's time + Mohammad bin Qasim), as did the Persian Empire. Before the Persians we had the good old Alexander the great visiting this region. The only exception are the Romans but I think that they would have kept the pattern going as well if Caesar had not been assassinated. There are two reasons for this confidence - The very next day Caesar was assassinated, he was supposed to take his forces and march east - Who knows where he would have stopped? Secondly, Caesar was a very ambitious man. When he went to Alexandria to sort out the mess between Cleopatra and her brother, he visited Alexander’s tomb and cried there (‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?). So it is possible that Caesar too would have honored you with a visit had he not been killed.

Therefore, no matter at what point you choose to start your history, every generation has had the dishonor of having their behinds kicked. A Desi fellow told my friend that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan (The fact that his features did not look Chinese did not matter to him). My friend told him that reading history must be a very embarrassing experience for him, his father, grandfather and others. When he asked why, my friend said that by bowing their heads to the British for 200 years, they had damaged Genghis Khan's name and legacy.


Q2:
Why is it that every global/regional power came to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behind?


It becomes clear fairly quickly that this wall of shame has nothing to do with religion. Over these 5000 years, the religion of inhabitants of the sub-continent changed a few times. Plus every religion was practiced in this region at one time or another. You currently have Desi Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jews and so on. Someone must have been right! The only thing unique to this region is the Desi culture which has remained fairly intact over the centuries. You can tell a lot from a people’s way of living by looking at their architecture. If you look at the ruins in Taxila and Mohenjo-daro you will see small similarities between Qissa khawani bazaar, Anarkali bazaar and especially Multan (because Multan is a very old city and was around when Alexander visited).


Q3:

What is the Desi cultural handicap that is behind this wall of shame?


The British, published formulas for controlling different groups living under the British Raj (Punjabi, Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Tamil, Kashmiri, Marathi, Gujrati, Bengali etc) in their "British army officer's sipahi training guide". The conclusion of this guide also states that as long as these races shall walk the earth, these formulas shall hold. You bully a Punjabi, bribe a Pushtoon, ignore a Sindhi, corrupt a Kashmiri and control the elders of the Baloch. These formulas are quite offensive but the sad part is that during their 200 year rule, there was never any revision issued - Thus proving their conclusion to some extent.


Q4
This was all published and was common knowledge! Why the helplessness?

A fellow once told me a joke that shed light on the two questions above. He said that after the Day of Judgment, an angel was flying over hell. He looked below and saw a roof of fire with small chimneys. On each chimney there was an angel sitting, holding a rod of metal. Whenever a human head popped out of the chimney, the angel sitting there would strike it down. There was one chimney however, which was unguarded. When the flying angel asked about the unguarded chimney, the angels replied back by saying that underneath that chimney is where we are burning the Desi folks - as soon as one person tries to climb the chimney, the others pull his feet down.”

Your question is very simply answered. Historically large parts of Pakistan/India have been fertile lands, with plenty of water ans lots of crops.

The people who lived in these lands had no need to build large armies and wage wars. They've no need to take resources from others as they had plenty of thier own. Hence why there have been no large expansionist empires from there. Why expend all these resources and men to gain more lands when you have plenty already. Also consider the direction of expansion. Into barren mountains and deserts? Seems pointless don't you think.

The people who have had expansionist empires in our part of the world have been usually those of the mountains and deserts who needed the resources of others.
 
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What you say is unfortunately SAD but true!

Could it just be that we are not genetically predisposed to be conquerors or pioneers in anything?

No that is not true. All Humans are created unique - therefore equal. Every human being's body and mind can do something which no other human being can do. Here is an example of how a culture changes:


Culture is a sensitive topic these days for reasons which are unknown. Criticizing someone culture is a no go area. However, religion does not see it that way. After all, culture is not the creation of the Almighty. Islam criticized the Arab cultural traditions repeatedly and there are many examples of this. Before Islam, the Arabs used to perform acts of divination to find auspicious moments for performing important acts. The usual practice was to run at a flock of birds sitting on the ground and see which way they would fly (right side = good omen, left = bad omen). Their culture did not permit fighting in certain months. Or they were permitted to distance themselves from their wives by swearing an oath likening them to their mothers. They used to bury their daughters alive to protect their honor. Islam attacked all of these odd cultural traditions. I think that this event happened just to drive the point home: The prophet (PBUH) was once walking in Medina and Gabriel visited him. He pointed to an area and told the prophet that this is the place where your father is buried. When the prophet immediately tried to offer a prayer for his father, Gabriel stopped him saying that you are not permitted to do this (One really has to admire prophet’s courage (PBUH) after reading these hadith, Sahih Muslim 398 and Sahih Muslim 976). Culture and ways of the forefathers do not have precedence over religion.

One of the most courageous things that the Arabs did was that they accepted the Islamic criticisms of their culture and changed it. Perhaps a brave and open minded understanding of the two aforementioned hadith allowed them to start again. Thus the Bedouin Arabs of the desert, who were called gypsies by the Persians and lizard eaters by others, transformed to become the rulers of the World.
Your question is very simply answered. Historically large parts of Pakistan/India have been fertile lands, with plenty of water ans lots of crops.

The people who lived in these lands had no need to build large armies and wage wars. They've no need to take resources from others as they had plenty of thier own. Hence why there have been no large expansionist empires from there. Why expend all these resources and men to gain more lands when you have plenty already. Also consider the direction of expansion. Into barren mountains and deserts? Seems pointless don't you think.

The people who have had expansionist empires in our part of the world have been usually those of the mountains and deserts who needed the resources of others.

Ok, so we don't want to capture other people land. Why every super power was able kick the locals behind for so long (5000 years)?

Culture is the problem, here is the diagnosis:

To root cause the problem with the Desi culture we need to look at the Hindu religion which predates Islam by a couple of thousand years. The Hindu religion has helped shaped the foundation of the Desi culture. Islam definitely did have an effect, but no amount of effect can change the foundation of something. The three potholes in the Hindu religion which have had a significant impact on the Desi culture are:

1) Reincarnation

The best option for a soul, in the Hindu faith, is to re-incarnate as a human being. Now off-course the human beings are further sub-divided via a caste system, but if you are a human being, you already have a very good deal! It is much better than coming back as a donkey, dog or any other animal. As you already have a good deal, then it is important to try your best to maintain the status-co. This means risk aversion and playing it as safe as possible. After all, if you die, then the surety of you coming back as a human being is not high enough. A safe strategy can include following what successful people are doing and as long as you are doing better than the fellow next to you, you are doing well. As there will always be people doing better than you, then there is always someone to follow.

This no-risk policy guarantees a maniable population consisting of pro-system individuals – a nation of followers and a general lack of courage. As an example, these followers will never dare to question the judgments passed by a court, a ruler, a parliament, a university or a central examination board regarding an individual’s ability. Any chance of ground breaking innovation, which by its very nature is anti-system and causes a threat to the existing status-co, can simply be ruled out. An Arab scientist who invented a medicine, first tried the medicine on himself. His rational was that if the Almighty wants harm for him, then nothing can save him. This sort of behavior can simply be ruled out in a Desi society. As the resources of this world are limited, as opposed to the hereafter where the resources are infinite, there is bound to be envy and competition in people whose only concern is this world.

This particular pothole sheds some light on that joke written earlier. Envy and competition means that there is no chance of a collective effort. Chance of help from the Almighty in this world also is limited as “he will not change the state of a people until they change themselves”. According to the psychologist Helmut Schoeck, envy sits at the base of a primitive society and it also guarantees that such a society will remain primitive. [What would be a good translation of “primitive people” in Urdu? “Jahil, Dehati, paindo, ganwar, chamat log”] Individual success becomes meaningless because when another ethnic group sees the king of an ant hill, they still see an ant. The sad part is that this pothole restricts the chance of salvation also. The prophet (PBUH) said “you will not enter paradise if you don't want for your brother what you want for yourself".

Mr Schoeck came to this conclusion after spending time with the American Red Indians, trying to understand their society and culture better. Christianity (and by the same logic Islam), with a strong belief in the non-worldly life and hereafter, allowed its societies to rise above pettiness and think about collaboration and the greater good. This is the reason why these societies have dominated world history as much as they have. Envy is the main differentiating factor between a primitive culture and an advance culture.

After the end of the cold war, the American government removed its “friendly” ambassador to Islamabad and appointed someone who could only be described as “uncouth, white trash”. At a social event in Islamabad, this individual made a very vulgar remark to a member of the Pakistani senate (An honest, hardworking and well educated Rhodes Scholar who achieved great success in his academic and professional life). Outraged, the senator responded by saying that he will not dignify the ambassador’s comment with a response and excused himself. Later in the evening some concerned citizens complained to the senator that his response was inadequate. They said that by insulting the senator, the ambassador had insulted the institution of the senate and in turn insulted every Pakistani. The senator replied by saying that we all deserve to be insulted. Due to our collective national failure “the best of our lot gets lorded around by the worst of their lot”. Their zero starts above our hundred!
 
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No that is not true. All Humans are created unique - therefore equal. Every human being's body and mind can do something which no other human being can do. Here is an example of how a culture changes:


Culture is a sensitive topic these days for reasons which are unknown. Criticizing someone culture is a no go area. However, religion does not see it that way. After all, culture is not the creation of the Almighty. Islam criticized the Arab cultural traditions repeatedly and there are many examples of this. Before Islam, the Arabs used to perform acts of divination to find auspicious moments for performing important acts. The usual practice was to run at a flock of birds sitting on the ground and see which way they would fly (right side = good omen, left = bad omen). Their culture did not permit fighting in certain months. Or they were permitted to distance themselves from their wives by swearing an oath likening them to their mothers. They used to bury their daughters alive to protect their honor. Islam attacked all of these odd cultural traditions. I think that this event happened just to drive the point home: The prophet (PBUH) was once walking in Medina and Gabriel visited him. He pointed to an area and told the prophet that this is the place where your father is buried. When the prophet immediately tried to offer a prayer for his father, Gabriel stopped him saying that you are not permitted to do this (One really has to admire prophet’s courage (PBUH) after reading these hadith, Sahih Muslim 398 and Sahih Muslim 976). Culture and ways of the forefathers do not have precedence over religion.

One of the most courageous things that the Arabs did was that they accepted the Islamic criticisms of their culture and changed it. Perhaps a brave and open minded understanding of the two aforementioned hadith allowed them to start again. Thus the Bedouin Arabs of the desert, who were called gypsies by the Persians and lizard eaters by others, transformed to become the rulers of the World.


Ok, so we don't want to capture other people land. Why every super power was able kick the locals behind for so long (5000 years)?

Culture is the problem, here is the diagnosis:

To root cause the problem with the Desi culture we need to look at the Hindu religion which predates Islam by a couple of thousand years. The Hindu religion has helped shaped the foundation of the Desi culture. Islam definitely did have an effect, but no amount of effect can change the foundation of something. The three potholes in the Hindu religion which have had a significant impact on the Desi culture are:

1) Reincarnation

The best option for a soul, in the Hindu faith, is to re-incarnate as a human being. Now off-course the human beings are further sub-divided via a caste system, but if you are a human being, you already have a very good deal! It is much better than coming back as a donkey, dog or any other animal. As you already have a good deal, then it is important to try your best to maintain the status-co. This means risk aversion and playing it as safe as possible. After all, if you die, then the surety of you coming back as a human being is not high enough. A safe strategy can include following what successful people are doing and as long as you are doing better than the fellow next to you, you are doing well. As there will always be people doing better than you, then there is always someone to follow.

This no-risk policy guarantees a maniable population consisting of pro-system individuals – a nation of followers and a general lack of courage. As an example, these followers will never dare to question the judgments passed by a court, a ruler, a parliament, a university or a central examination board regarding an individual’s ability. Any chance of ground breaking innovation, which by its very nature is anti-system and causes a threat to the existing status-co, can simply be ruled out. An Arab scientist who invented a medicine, first tried the medicine on himself. His rational was that if the Almighty wants harm for him, then nothing can save him. This sort of behavior can simply be ruled out in a Desi society. As the resources of this world are limited, as opposed to the hereafter where the resources are infinite, there is bound to be envy and competition in people whose only concern is this world.

This particular pothole sheds some light on that joke written earlier. Envy and competition means that there is no chance of a collective effort. Chance of help from the Almighty in this world also is limited as “he will not change the state of a people until they change themselves”. According to the psychologist Helmut Schoeck, envy sits at the base of a primitive society and it also guarantees that such a society will remain primitive. [What would be a good translation of “primitive people” in Urdu? “Jahil, Dehati, paindo, ganwar, chamat log”] Individual success becomes meaningless because when another ethnic group sees the king of an ant hill, they still see an ant. The sad part is that this pothole restricts the chance of salvation also. The prophet (PBUH) said “you will not enter paradise if you don't want for your brother what you want for yourself".

Mr Schoeck came to this conclusion after spending time with the American Red Indians, trying to understand their society and culture better. Christianity (and by the same logic Islam), with a strong belief in the non-worldly life and hereafter, allowed its societies to rise above pettiness and think about collaboration and the greater good. This is the reason why these societies have dominated world history as much as they have. Envy is the main differentiating factor between a primitive culture and an advance culture.

After the end of the cold war, the American government removed its “friendly” ambassador to Islamabad and appointed someone who could only be described as “uncouth, white trash”. At a social event in Islamabad, this individual made a very vulgar remark to a member of the Pakistani senate (An honest, hardworking and well educated Rhodes Scholar who achieved great success in his academic and professional life). Outraged, the senator responded by saying that he will not dignify the ambassador’s comment with a response and excused himself. Later in the evening some concerned citizens complained to the senator that his response was inadequate. They said that by insulting the senator, the ambassador had insulted the institution of the senate and in turn insulted every Pakistani. The senator replied by saying that we all deserve to be insulted. Due to our collective national failure “the best of our lot gets lorded around by the worst of their lot”. Their zero starts above our hundred!








You have an excellent understanding of philosophy and human psychology. You need to post more on PDF.
 
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No that is not true. All Humans are created unique - therefore equal. Every human being's body and mind can do something which no other human being can do. Here is an example of how a culture changes:


Culture is a sensitive topic these days for reasons which are unknown. Criticizing someone culture is a no go area. However, religion does not see it that way. After all, culture is not the creation of the Almighty. Islam criticized the Arab cultural traditions repeatedly and there are many examples of this. Before Islam, the Arabs used to perform acts of divination to find auspicious moments for performing important acts. The usual practice was to run at a flock of birds sitting on the ground and see which way they would fly (right side = good omen, left = bad omen). Their culture did not permit fighting in certain months. Or they were permitted to distance themselves from their wives by swearing an oath likening them to their mothers. They used to bury their daughters alive to protect their honor. Islam attacked all of these odd cultural traditions. I think that this event happened just to drive the point home: The prophet (PBUH) was once walking in Medina and Gabriel visited him. He pointed to an area and told the prophet that this is the place where your father is buried. When the prophet immediately tried to offer a prayer for his father, Gabriel stopped him saying that you are not permitted to do this (One really has to admire prophet’s courage (PBUH) after reading these hadith, Sahih Muslim 398 and Sahih Muslim 976). Culture and ways of the forefathers do not have precedence over religion.

One of the most courageous things that the Arabs did was that they accepted the Islamic criticisms of their culture and changed it. Perhaps a brave and open minded understanding of the two aforementioned hadith allowed them to start again. Thus the Bedouin Arabs of the desert, who were called gypsies by the Persians and lizard eaters by others, transformed to become the rulers of the World.


Ok, so we don't want to capture other people land. Why every super power was able kick the locals behind for so long (5000 years)?

Culture is the problem, here is the diagnosis:

To root cause the problem with the Desi culture we need to look at the Hindu religion which predates Islam by a couple of thousand years. The Hindu religion has helped shaped the foundation of the Desi culture. Islam definitely did have an effect, but no amount of effect can change the foundation of something. The three potholes in the Hindu religion which have had a significant impact on the Desi culture are:

1) Reincarnation

The best option for a soul, in the Hindu faith, is to re-incarnate as a human being. Now off-course the human beings are further sub-divided via a caste system, but if you are a human being, you already have a very good deal! It is much better than coming back as a donkey, dog or any other animal. As you already have a good deal, then it is important to try your best to maintain the status-co. This means risk aversion and playing it as safe as possible. After all, if you die, then the surety of you coming back as a human being is not high enough. A safe strategy can include following what successful people are doing and as long as you are doing better than the fellow next to you, you are doing well. As there will always be people doing better than you, then there is always someone to follow.

This no-risk policy guarantees a maniable population consisting of pro-system individuals – a nation of followers and a general lack of courage. As an example, these followers will never dare to question the judgments passed by a court, a ruler, a parliament, a university or a central examination board regarding an individual’s ability. Any chance of ground breaking innovation, which by its very nature is anti-system and causes a threat to the existing status-co, can simply be ruled out. An Arab scientist who invented a medicine, first tried the medicine on himself. His rational was that if the Almighty wants harm for him, then nothing can save him. This sort of behavior can simply be ruled out in a Desi society. As the resources of this world are limited, as opposed to the hereafter where the resources are infinite, there is bound to be envy and competition in people whose only concern is this world.

This particular pothole sheds some light on that joke written earlier. Envy and competition means that there is no chance of a collective effort. Chance of help from the Almighty in this world also is limited as “he will not change the state of a people until they change themselves”. According to the psychologist Helmut Schoeck, envy sits at the base of a primitive society and it also guarantees that such a society will remain primitive. [What would be a good translation of “primitive people” in Urdu? “Jahil, Dehati, paindo, ganwar, chamat log”] Individual success becomes meaningless because when another ethnic group sees the king of an ant hill, they still see an ant. The sad part is that this pothole restricts the chance of salvation also. The prophet (PBUH) said “you will not enter paradise if you don't want for your brother what you want for yourself".

Mr Schoeck came to this conclusion after spending time with the American Red Indians, trying to understand their society and culture better. Christianity (and by the same logic Islam), with a strong belief in the non-worldly life and hereafter, allowed its societies to rise above pettiness and think about collaboration and the greater good. This is the reason why these societies have dominated world history as much as they have. Envy is the main differentiating factor between a primitive culture and an advance culture.

After the end of the cold war, the American government removed its “friendly” ambassador to Islamabad and appointed someone who could only be described as “uncouth, white trash”. At a social event in Islamabad, this individual made a very vulgar remark to a member of the Pakistani senate (An honest, hardworking and well educated Rhodes Scholar who achieved great success in his academic and professional life). Outraged, the senator responded by saying that he will not dignify the ambassador’s comment with a response and excused himself. Later in the evening some concerned citizens complained to the senator that his response was inadequate. They said that by insulting the senator, the ambassador had insulted the institution of the senate and in turn insulted every Pakistani. The senator replied by saying that we all deserve to be insulted. Due to our collective national failure “the best of our lot gets lorded around by the worst of their lot”. Their zero starts above our hundred!

The answer to this is the same. In lands of plenty there were no large military powers because there wasn't the need nor the ambition to consolidate the power under 1 man. Hence when large battle hardened armies came across glorified security guards - they swept them away.

It is a generalisation of course, but the whole word desi is a generalisation.

There were plenty of examples of warrior tribes in these regions too - but sporadic tribes don't defeat empires.
 
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The answer to this is the same. In lands of plenty there were no large military powers because there wasn't the need nor the ambition to consolidate the power under 1 man. Hence when large battle hardened armies came across glorified security guards - they swept them away.

It is a generalisation of course, but the whole word desi is a generalisation.

There were plenty of examples of warrior tribes in these regions too - but sporadic tribes don't defeat empires.

Read my response above how re-incarnation leads to envy and cowardice in a culture and society.

As for why desi's lands were so easily captured here is the second pot hole (ibn khaldoon does a great job here):


2) Death do us part

"Burn the woman after her spouse's death" or to a lesser extent "death do us part" means that finding the one true love is a valid goal for one’s life. You get only one chance to get it right. Get it wrong and you are unhappy for the rest of your life. Thus, this becomes the most important decision of one’s life. The Desi media's main focus is to make people accept this goal - media houses are absolutely fixated on this and there is constant bombardment. Almost 90% of Desi music and video content targets the boy meets girl story line. The effeminacy of men that ensues because of this has devastating effects. The effeminate men of the Desi media, while having body builder's body, imitate women by plucking out their hair, applying makeup and seeking and keeping the company of women. They often boast about their perfection of effeminacy and their emotional personalities (crying for their woman). Persistence and habituation can make even the most unnatural of acts pleasurable. Seeing the same thing in acquaintances and on media makes these acts a societal norm.

One Roman generals advised that when you conquer a nation, one of the first steps is to get control of the minds of the natives' women. This is important because a society can be controlled through the women. For example, if the women in a society declare that they will only find attractive the men with green hair, quite a few men in that society will dye their hair green.

As proximity to women is essential to the fulfillment of this most important goal, sedentary lifestyle is a must. This means that spending limited time in the wilderness and even in isolation become invalid and unnatural acts. How many men have climbed the Everest or K2? How many of them are Desi? According to Ibn Khaldun, “Sedentary people are used to luxury and ease of life. They entrust the defense of their property and lives to the militia (army/police) that is tasked to guarding them. They find safety in their cities. Successive generations grow in this way. They become like women and children who depend on the master of the house. Eventually this becomes part of their character and replaces natural disposition”.

So when Bedouins or tribes living in the wilderness attack a decaying city with decaying institutions, once the guarding militia gets defeated, the sedentary people become easy targets of the invaders. This explains to some extent the ease with which foreign invaders have conquered the subcontinent. How many times did Mehmud of Ghazni invade? How is it possible that a few million Talib's are threatening an entire population?

No risk policy, maniable and pro-system population and sedentary lifestyle means that individuals must follow different types of man-made laws. Ibn Khaldun further adds, “When laws are enforced by means of punishment, they completely destroy fortitude, because the use of punishment against someone who cannot defend himself generates in that person a feeling of humiliation that, no doubt, must break his fortitude. When laws, intended to serve the purposes of education and instruction, are applied from childhood on, they have to some degree the same effect, because people then grow up in fear and docility and consequently do not rely on their own fortitude”.

Laws and the nature of Man must have a link. The whole idea of “death do us part” is something that is very alien to Islam. However, the Islamic law does not have any problem with it. For better or for worse, the modern Muslim world adopted this idea from the Christian/Hindu societies. This idea gives rise to unrealistic expectations which put pressure on the institution of marriage. If “they lived happily ever after” is true, then what is the point of heaven? With open marriages, people living together out of wed lock or higher divorce rates, the idea of “death do us part” is coming under further stress and damaging the institution of marriage in the developed world.
 
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Read my response above how re-incarnation leads to envy and cowardice in a culture and society.

As for why desi's lands were so easily captured here is the second pot hole (ibn khaldoon does a great job here):


2) Death do us part

"Burn the woman after her spouse's death" or to a lesser extent "death do us part" means that finding the one true love is a valid goal for one’s life. You get only one chance to get it right. Get it wrong and you are unhappy for the rest of your life. Thus, this becomes the most important decision of one’s life. The Desi media's main focus is to make people accept this goal - media houses are absolutely fixated on this and there is constant bombardment. Almost 90% of Desi music and video content targets the boy meets girl story line. The effeminacy of men that ensues because of this has devastating effects. The effeminate men of the Desi media, while having body builder's body, imitate women by plucking out their hair, applying makeup and seeking and keeping the company of women. They often boast about their perfection of effeminacy and their emotional personalities (crying for their woman). Persistence and habituation can make even the most unnatural of acts pleasurable. Seeing the same thing in acquaintances and on media makes these acts a societal norm.

One Roman generals advised that when you conquer a nation, one of the first steps is to get control of the minds of the natives' women. This is important because a society can be controlled through the women. For example, if the women in a society declare that they will only find attractive the men with green hair, quite a few men in that society will dye their hair green.

As proximity to women is essential to the fulfillment of this most important goal, sedentary lifestyle is a must. This means that spending limited time in the wilderness and even in isolation become invalid and unnatural acts. How many men have climbed the Everest or K2? How many of them are Desi? According to Ibn Khaldun, “Sedentary people are used to luxury and ease of life. They entrust the defense of their property and lives to the militia (army/police) that is tasked to guarding them. They find safety in their cities. Successive generations grow in this way. They become like women and children who depend on the master of the house. Eventually this becomes part of their character and replaces natural disposition”.

So when Bedouins or tribes living in the wilderness attack a decaying city with decaying institutions, once the guarding militia gets defeated, the sedentary people become easy targets of the invaders. This explains to some extent the ease with which foreign invaders have conquered the subcontinent. How many times did Mehmud of Ghazni invade? How is it possible that a few million Talib's are threatening an entire population?

No risk policy, maniable and pro-system population and sedentary lifestyle means that individuals must follow different types of man-made laws. Ibn Khaldun further adds, “When laws are enforced by means of punishment, they completely destroy fortitude, because the use of punishment against someone who cannot defend himself generates in that person a feeling of humiliation that, no doubt, must break his fortitude. When laws, intended to serve the purposes of education and instruction, are applied from childhood on, they have to some degree the same effect, because people then grow up in fear and docility and consequently do not rely on their own fortitude”.

Laws and the nature of Man must have a link. The whole idea of “death do us part” is something that is very alien to Islam. However, the Islamic law does not have any problem with it. For better or for worse, the modern Muslim world adopted this idea from the Christian/Hindu societies. This idea gives rise to unrealistic expectations which put pressure on the institution of marriage. If “they lived happily ever after” is true, then what is the point of heaven? With open marriages, people living together out of wed lock or higher divorce rates, the idea of “death do us part” is coming under further stress and damaging the institution of marriage in the developed world.

I'm basically saying the same thing he so eloquently put. People were comfortable hence docile. Leaders didn't have to build big militaries to protect resources or maintain control.

What does this have to do with national identity BTW?
 
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We are Pakistan's First ....

It is necessary now as never before to emphasize our identity.

We are Pakistanis, dwellers of Sindh, Baluchistan, KPK, Gilgit, Baltistan, Punjab and Azad Kashmir. We are defined by a common cultural thread of Saraiki linking our provinces and our peoples.
Ours is an ancient culture going back to the dawn of civilization established in the Indus River Valley 5400 years ago. We have evolved over the centuries absorbing other cultures and religions.

Over the last 50 years our cultural and national identity has been transformed and redefined.
We are redefining our cultural traditions to as they were centuries back with deep roots to Central Asia and the Middle East. In dress, language, and cuisine we are now different than we were 50 years back. Few nations in the world have culturally transformed so rapidly.

To further redefine it is necessary to emphasize who we are NOT...
Pakistanis are Not :

1. "Indian" Muslims - We are not part of "India", and yes a majority of our
population is Muslim, but religion is not the only defining feature of our national
identity.
We have no connection with the Muslim population of "India" as defined by its
territory today.

2. "West" Pakistanis - There is no "East" or "West" Pakistan but simply Pakistan.


3. "South" Asians- Pakistanis are Asians and our population similarity is with West or Central
Asia.

What do PDF members think?

Are the other South Asian populations at all relevant to us?
Mr. Javed Jabbar is an excellent person, explain us in his book Pakistaniat kya Hai
 
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I'm basically saying the same thing he so eloquently put. People were comfortable hence docile. Leaders didn't have to build big militaries to protect resources or maintain control.

What does this have to do with national identity BTW?


There is no identity without creation. And there is no creation without courage. Soach ko rasta dikhana is only possible by people who belong to an non-primitive culture. Here is the last and thrid pot hole which prevents innovation:


3) Rejection of egalitarianism – caste system

Further social order can be imposed if people are led to believe that they are not created equal. The Hindu religion divides humans into four castes (#1 Priests, #2 warriors and Merchants, #3 Laborer, #4 untouchables). In the Desi culture, lineage, clans, and family history plays an important role. This Darwinian, dog eat dog culture is a result of a disbelief in the equality of man. The rejection is not only projected via religion, the modern education system is based on this fallacy.

You love your creation. The higher the creation the greater the love. As the Human being is the Almighty's greatest creation, his love for this creation is easily seen through his unlimited mercy - People can even choose to deny his existence but they continue to breathe, eat, drink and live.

So if love is dependent on creation then one has to ask, can everyone create? Egalitarianism is the central pillar of all Abrahamic faiths. We are told by the Almighty that man is created equal. The prophet also said that after Adam all humans are created equal, like the teeth of a comb. Consequently, Man has the right to ask for proof here. After all, humans are tall/short/physically strong/weak/etc. What is the measuring stick or the standard used to determine this equality? There is a verse in the Qur’an where the Almighty is addressing the atheists and the agnostics, giving them examples of his creation. The creation of the universe is mentioned, the stars, the sun and moon and then it is said that Man is created, each with a unique voice. One has to wonder how the creation of the universe and giving man a unique voice can be equally great achievements.

The audible band in the wave spectrum consists of all frequencies that can be heard by the human. It is a narrow band with frequencies ranging from 3Hz to 3 KHz only - Yet every human's (from the beginning of time till the end) voice is unique. So you can identify each human by his/her voice (difference can be infinity large or infinitely small). This uniqueness extends to every aspect of the human body. The shape and size of the limbs, the shape of the brain, the genetic code, cornea, thumb and finger impression, etc. A machine that is unique in every way is able to produce something that is also unique in every way. An apple can do what and orange cannot do and vice-verse. So what makes man equal is not the stupidity that what one man can do another can also do, but the fact that every human being (from the beginning of time till the death of that human) can do something which no other human being can do.

This uniqueness can be seen in both the human physical and mental work. Just like no one can become a good poet – you either have it or you don't – similarly no one can play a sport exactly like a famous sports star (the size and shape of bones and muscles are different). A human being is thus like a unique ray of light from a sphere. As light fades it disperses and there is overlap. Similarly people acquire knowledge from others – so today's innovation becomes tomorrows knowledge.

If every human being has been created with an equal ability to create something unique, then why don't we see innovations every second? What stops the human being from using his or her unique gift?

Einstein said that for innovation, imagination is far more important than knowledge. It is possible to extend this by saying that courage is just as important for innovation as anything else. To stand on the frontiers of human knowledge and look into the abyss, devoting your time and resources to go where no one else has gone before – all this requires courage. The self-denial, effort and perseverance, often for a goal that has no material benefit, requires that one takes the road less taken. Finally, none of this (no innovation) is possible without mental freedom.

The uniqueness of the creative gift given to human beings means that a person can be given a gift of growing potatoes or cleaning something. The stigma that society attaches to certain tasks means that this person must possess courage and mental freedom to think for himself and pursue work in his field.

Freedom, whether it is physical or mental, can be compromised. When a human being enters this world, he/she may or may not have physical freedom. However, mental freedom is something every child is born with. It is something that no one can take away. Perhaps, this is the reason why people take it for granted. The only way to lose mental freedom is if the person surrenders it.

Mental freedom allows one to discover his creative gift and do the gift related work, ignoring completely what the world thinks or says. You can tackle this type of work gladly, without resentment or avoidance. The eternal gift related work is a value above a paycheck and above praise. It is the only avenue to independence, self-reliance, resourcefulness and most importantly, genuine self-respect. The uniqueness of the eternal gift guarantees that this type of work will lead to a unique outcome (i.e. creation).

It is not possible to measure a human being. It is not possible to measure the human will. It is not possible to measure the depths of a human soul. Egalitarianism dictates these facts. Doesn’t the uniqueness of every human body guarantee equality? Isn’t what they call genius something as common as dirt? Is there any difference between standardized examination/testing and organized crime?

To be able to love yourself you need to know yourself. If you know yourself, then you know your creative gift. As neither love nor mental freedom are tangibles, a person’s creation is the only physical manifestation of his thoughts – a form of his mental freedom and his love. You, your creation and your love are the same. You don’t cheat your work because you don’t cheat what you love.

There is a notion spread by the left that money is something bad. This is not correct. Two individuals can say to each other, “you want to benefit from my gift? Then I want to benefit from your gift!” Money facilitates such a transaction between equal human beings. The one who creates can say, “You are going to pay me whatever I ask because I am the only one who can do this”. The uniqueness of the human body allows all human beings to say this. Therefore, the loss of mental freedom, which leads to the loss of creation, can affect what one achieves in life.

There are off-course cases where a human being can face a tribulation as a test from the Almighty. It is ones moral, religious and rational obligation to help people in need. However, for an able person to live his life extracting benefits from other people is simply reprehensible.

It is important to understand that Man was not created for the universe. Instead, the universe was created for Man. As far as Man is concerned, the second greatest strength in this world resides inside him. Those who sell their dignity or surrender their mind and its freedom, constantly reduce their own self-worth in the eyes of their conscious. When your success solely depends on the abilities of other people, then you sell your dignity every day. In such a society, everyone kisses someone else’s behind and no one has any dignity. It is no wonder that the majority of the citizens in the Desi land want to immigrate to some other country!

If creation nor love is possible without freedom then one needs to stay on guard against the sources which deprive people of their freedom. The oldest trick that is used by the few to make the many surrender their minds is to preach human inequality. This can be done via a religious doctrine like caste system or by enforcing social hierarchy like the European class system.

For all of his humane outlook, Mr. Gandhi was still a strong follower of his beliefs. This can be seen from his actions, like the letters of admiration he wrote to Hitler: “My friend, how grand are your thoughts!” This is hardly surprising though, because after all, what is the difference between the Hindu Caste system and Fascism? They both reject the equality of Man. At a dinner, my Indian friend and I were sitting next to a German diplomat. During the course of the meal, my Indian friend started expressing his admiration of Hitler. The German diplomat, who looked uncomfortable, immediately excused himself and left. Later on, when I apologized to the diplomat for my friend’s behavior, he told me that I should not worry. He said that it is odd that he hasn't become “used to” such incidents by now – considering the fact that so many Indians have expressed similar views to him on so many occasions. He added further that what these folks don't realize is that had Hitler conquered India, he would have killed most of the inhabitants, simply because of the color of their skin or the size of the head.

The man who created Pakistan was not a feudal lord. He was not a religious leader nor the leader of some tribe. In fact, he came from a fairly average family. The color of his skin was so dark that he would have made an excellent candidate for the untouchables club. As fate would have it, he was given the opportunity to polish whatever unique gift the Almighty had given him. The most astonishing part of Mr. Jinnah's story is that when he applied for admission to the law school, Lincoln's inn, his application was denied because he did not know Latin. Mr. Jinnah argued his case, in front of men whose job was to produce lawyers, and won. After polishing his gift, he used it to earn a very decent livelihood for himself and was successful. Lord Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, called him an evil genius and a bastard – this coming from ones greatest foe is no small achievement!

So here you have a man who had neither the right caste association nor the religious backing nor the nobility to become a leader. All he had was his gift and he used it to attain physical freedom for his people. As is often the case, attaining mental freedom is much harder. A historian once asked a very important question that didn’t colonialism actually start once the colonialists left? He went on to explain that when he lived in Morocco during the French imperialism there was an independence movement active. The locals there, although without physical freedom, possessed mental freedom. When he visited Morocco after independence, he noticed that the locals now, although physically free, were mentally colonized. A famous cricketer elaborates further by saying that the worst thing about colonization is not that they take over your land, enslave your people, loot your wealth - these are all material things. The worst thing is that they put it in your heads that they are better than you are.

Mental colonization is the surest way to surrender one’s mental freedom – you enslave the minds, it is irrelevant what the body does. The colonizers culture, language, values and traditions are to be religiously followed. Why create when you have a perfect example? Just toe the line!

There is a lot of criticism thrown around these days against the United States. Some of it is justified, especially if you look at the American role in the genocide that is taking place in Palestine and the greater Middle East. What is often overlooked is how this nation ascended to the rank of number one and sole super power. Of particular importance is the role that was played by the generations which lived in the 18th and 19th century. This is because it was these generations which formed the foundation and base of the super power.

When, right after the second world war, the British Queen called upon the visiting American president at the American Embassy in London, he served her hot-dogs. The British press did not appreciate this and took offense. An article in an American newspaper commented on this by saying that it is clear to all that victories in the two world wars had passed a verdict against Fascism. What has not dawned upon these Europeans yet is that these victories have also passed a verdict against the European “estates of the realm” [European class system]. It concluded by giving an ominous message “let them complain, as long as they are afraid”.

It was these successful generations which could see the failings of the European social hierarchy and stayed clear of it. In the process they were able to create a system that provided equal opportunity to all their citizens so that each could polish their respective creative gifts.
 
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You identify yourself as a Muslim but refute basic tenets of Islam such Muslim unity and borderless Islamic regions. There is no such thing as a Pakistani Muslim or Indian Muslim but only a Muslim. Putting your own skewed interpretation questions your motives.

Indian muslims won't fight for us. Fellow Pakistanis will.

End of story.
Pakistani territorial nationalism is a reactionary sentiment to non-Pakistani Muslim mistreatment of Pakistan. But I still don't agree with it. Its a clone of Indian territorial nationalism. Allowing territorial nationalism will open the way for Punjabi ethno-nationalism and dreams to reunited both sides of Punjab which were divided on religious basis.

United Punjab sirf Sikhon ki khwab hain

No one in West Punjab wants it.
 
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You identify yourself as a Muslim but refute basic tenets of Islam such Muslim unity and borderless Islamic regions. There is no such thing as a Pakistani Muslim or Indian Muslim but only a Muslim. Putting your own skewed interpretation questions your motives.






What do you do when the indian so called "Muslims" hate Pakistan and Pakistanis more than indian hindus and sikhs? Who are also willing to kill innocent Kashmiris and Pakistanis to please their indian hindu/sikh overlords?........... :disagree:
 
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If religion has nothing to do with ur identity and ideology then whats ur beef with indians?? Go back to being a hindu and ull live in peace together like ur ancestors did thousands of years ago.

Ever heard of 2 nation theory?
Let them bark brother, I really do not care . He is not the only Pakistani here who bark against Bangladesh . Once I used to protest them , now I do pity them, and do not consider it wise to waste my time on them ( whoever love mudslinging instead of participating in a fruitful discussion). They and their counter part Sanghis are actually the same..

Not really, I got mad love for Bengalis ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤
 
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Waza Mein Tum Ho Nisara, Tau Tamaddun Mein Hanood,
Yeh Musalman Hain! Jinhain Dekh Ke Sharmaen Yahood?

From Christians you have learnt your style, your culture from Hindus;
These folks are Muslims! Who shame even the Jews?


Yun To Syed Bhi Ho, Mirza Bhi Ho, Afghan Bhi Ho


Tum Sabhi Kuch Ho, Batao To Musalman Bhi Ho!

You are known as Syed, and Mirza, you call yourselves Afghan;​
You are everything, tell me, are you also Muslim?
 
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