Pakistan finalized Z-10ME Helicopters deal with China : Journalist Sumaira Khan

[ghazi52]

Nice view.....

 

[MMM-E]

UCAVs are more effective than Attack Helicopters to destroy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems , other UCAVs , Attack Helicopters



An 20 AKINCI UCAV battalion can carry 320 MIZRAK anti Tank missiles, each capable of destroying a Tank


even MANPADS can hit Attack Helicopters , but Turkish AKINCI UCAV can flight at 40.000 feet altitude as an Aircraft ( 2 times higher altitude than American APACHE Attack Helicopter )

also AKINCI UCAV can stay in the Air for 24 hours , but Attack Helicopters only 3 or 4 hours

also AKINCI UCAV can attack on enemy targets from 8-30-50-150-250 km away , while AH-64 Apache can attack on enemy targets from 8 km away

also AKINCI UCAVs can hit Indian AH-64 Apache Helicopters ( thanks to AESA Radar and 25-65 km BOZDOGAN - GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles )




Turkish AKINCI UCAV vs Indian AH-64 APACHE Attack Helicopter

AKINCI UCAV

Payload : 1350 kg
Max speed : 360 km/h
Combat Range : 2.000+ km
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers


-- 250 km KUZGUN joint strike Missile with IIR seeker to hit moving targets
-- 150 km TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missile to hit moving targets
-- 8 km MIZRAK anti Tank Missile with top attack capability
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided Bomb
-- 25 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 65 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile

AH-64D/E APACHE

Max speed : 293 km/h
Combat Range : 480 km
Endurance : 4 hours
Service ceiling : 20.000 feet

AN/APG-78 Longbow fire-control Radar

-- APKWS 70 mm Rockets
-- 8 km HELLFIRE air to surface Missile
-- 8 km AIM-92 Stinger air to air Missile

30 Z-10ME Attack Helicopters and 20 AKINCI UCAVs can block Indian Army

 

[Tornado23]

UCAVs are more effective than Attack Helicopters to destroy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems , other UCAVs , Attack Helicopters



An 18 AKINCI UCAV battalion can carry 288 MIZRAK anti Tank missiles, each capable of destroying a Tank


even MANPADS can hit Attack Helicopters , but Turkish AKINCI UCAV can flight at 40.000 feet altitude as an Aircraft ( 2 times higher altitude than American APACHE Attack Helicopter )

also AKINCI UCAV can stay in the Air for 24 hours , but Attack Helicopters only 3 or 4 hours

also AKINCI UCAV can attack on enemy targets from 8-30-50-150-250 km away , while AH-64 Apache can attack on enemy targets from 8 km away




Turkish AKINCI UCAV vs Indian AH-64 APACHE Attack Helicopter

AKINCI UCAV

Payload : 1350 kg
Max speed : 360 km/h
Combat Range : 2.000+ km
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers


-- 250 km KUZGUN joint strike Missile with IIR seeker to hit moving targets
-- 150 km TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missile to hit moving targets
-- 8 km MIZRAK anti Tank Missile with top attack capability
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided Bomb
-- 25 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 65 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile

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AH-64D/E APACHE

Max speed : 293 km/h
Combat Range : 480 km
Endurance : 4 hours
Service ceiling : 20.000 feet

AN/APG-78 Longbow fire-control Radar

-- APKWS 70 mm Rockets
-- 8 km HELLFIRE air to surface Missile
-- 8 km AIM-92 Stinger air to air Missile

View attachment 807780

Yaaaay you're back. Missed you dude

 

[Zee-shaun]

Don't worry Indians are famous for doing crazy acts... recently AH64 made emergency landing, crew forget to remove the exhaust cover and two " alert " pilots didn't notice in their final inspection before takeoff.

View attachment 807715

Desi people don't remove the plastic packing of their furniture the first few years. But this is a multi million dollar machine. So it makes sense protect the exhaust

 

[Trailer23]

Unbelievable

Yes, for any other Military around the World, but the image is of an Indian AH-64..., so its pretty Believable.

The amount of f-ups they've had over the years, its hard to believe that on Social Media they truly believe that they're Top 5.

 

[JawadKKhan]

If abinonedone can get medal for going blind into Pak territory then These pilots are also eligible for atleast some medal.

On the other note, So IAF version of apache is without top longbow radar ?? That radar is the real difference maker between Apache and other top gunships helis.

 

[Polestar 2]

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If abinonedone can get medal for going blind into Pak territory then These pilots are also eligible for atleast some medal.

On the other note, So IAF version of apache is without top longbow radar ?? That radar is the real difference maker between Apache and other top gunships helis.

Not all gunship are equipped with radar. A unit usually has only one equipped with radar out of 6 others. They work in network and as a unit.

 

[JawadKKhan]

Not all gunship are equipped with radar. A unit usually has only one equipped with radar out of 6 others. They work in network and as a unit.

I see. makes sense!.

 

[jaybird]

Don't worry Indians are famous for doing crazy acts... recently AH64 made emergency landing, crew forget to remove the exhaust cover and two " alert " pilots didn't notice in their final inspection before takeoff.

View attachment 807715

The crew didn't forget to remove the exhaust cover, and pilot notice the exhaust cover before takeoff as well. But the Indian crew thought it was supposed to be covered like the submarine hatch. They thought they've learn their lesson last time that everything must be cover and locked.

 

[HAIDER]

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Nice view.....

Notice the exhaust of engine face up to reduce infrared sig... ( Pak Army colors ????? )

 

[Gripen9]

Not all gunship are equipped with radar. A unit usually has only one equipped with radar out of 6 others. They work in network and as a unit.

What if that one gets shot down. Other 5 are blind then?

 

[HAIDER]

UCAVs are more effective than Attack Helicopters to destroy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems , other UCAVs , Attack Helicopters



An 20 AKINCI UCAV battalion can carry 320 MIZRAK anti Tank missiles, each capable of destroying a Tank


even MANPADS can hit Attack Helicopters , but Turkish AKINCI UCAV can flight at 40.000 feet altitude as an Aircraft ( 2 times higher altitude than American APACHE Attack Helicopter )

also AKINCI UCAV can stay in the Air for 24 hours , but Attack Helicopters only 3 or 4 hours

also AKINCI UCAV can attack on enemy targets from 8-30-50-150-250 km away , while AH-64 Apache can attack on enemy targets from 8 km away

also AKINCI UCAVs can hit Indian AH-64 Apache Helicopters ( thanks to AESA Radar and 25-65 km BOZDOGAN - GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles )




Turkish AKINCI UCAV vs Indian AH-64 APACHE Attack Helicopter

AKINCI UCAV

Payload : 1350 kg
Max speed : 360 km/h
Combat Range : 2.000+ km
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers


-- 250 km KUZGUN joint strike Missile with IIR seeker to hit moving targets
-- 150 km TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missile to hit moving targets
-- 8 km MIZRAK anti Tank Missile with top attack capability
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided Bomb
-- 25 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 65 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile

View attachment 807787



AH-64D/E APACHE

Max speed : 293 km/h
Combat Range : 480 km
Endurance : 4 hours
Service ceiling : 20.000 feet

AN/APG-78 Longbow fire-control Radar

-- APKWS 70 mm Rockets
-- 8 km HELLFIRE air to surface Missile
-- 8 km AIM-92 Stinger air to air Missile

View attachment 807780

30 Z-10ME Attack Helicopters and 20 AKINCI UCAVs can block Indian Army

Turkey is right now totally depending on the Ukraine Motor Sich company deal. If Turkey wins a 50 percent share then it will be a massive win. But still, I doubt the US will let Ukraine sell helicopter engines to Turkey for Pak T129. Motor Sich already supplying engines to Turkish new UAV programs. The Chinese company is also after this Ukrainians for 4.5 billion dollar lawsuit for breach of the deal of Motor Sich takeover.

 

[Polestar 2]

What if that one gets shot down. Other 5 are blind then?

Milimeter Radar are not the same calibre as fighter jet radar. Their job are merely to pick out detail target behind terrain at a limited distance. They do not act as AWACS to give a wide distance of situation awareness.

AN/APG-78 Longbow - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Gunship engagement are still within line of sight. Currently, even the most powerful ATGM carry by any gunship do not travel more than 15km. Modern gunship are network and guide by a more powerful command for direction.

Milimeter Radar merely act as a back up system in search and destroy in a more complex terrain. Infrared search , voice communication and night vision ID are still the main tool in identify and engage enemy target.

 

[SQ8]

Milimeter Radar are not the same calibre as fighter jet radar. Their job are merely to pick out detail target behind terrain at a limited distance. They do not act as AWACS to give a wide distance of situation awareness.

AN/APG-78 Longbow - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Gunship engagement are still within line of sight. Currently, even the most powerful ATGM carry by any gunship do not travel more than 15km. Modern gunship are network and guide by a more powerful command for direction.

Milimeter Radar merely act as a back up system in search and destroy in a more complex terrain. Infrared search , voice communication and night vision ID are still the main tool in identify and engage enemy target.

That is where that UAV launched could come in Handy. Acting as a standoff sensor to help cue in weapons allowing the launch platform to be protected while still taking out critical CAS targets such as SHORADs or other threats before they move in and attack other targets.

 

[waz]

The approval to Philipines proves that this has got nothing to do with Turkey-USA relations and everything to do with USA sanctions on Pakistan.

Yep spot on they are nothing but a thorn to be avoided defence wise. There was no reason for them to do this, and this in light of Apache sales to India.