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Agnostic
I assure you the response shall be vast and overwhelming and final.
As will it from our side.
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Agnostic
I assure you the response shall be vast and overwhelming and final.
Hellfire
I don't know, I just don't know - I don't buy the argument that the army cannot fight -- I am more persuaded that it will not fight or that it is engaged in a test of nerves with the politicians.
Either way it will lose in public opinion.
Sympathizers in the army? A disaster beyond measure - and it just may be best that it sit in it's barracks, bangles optional.
Rescue ranger and Bezerk have reported interesting converation about instituting a draft or a civilian militia - the latter is a strong possibiity and I welcome it.
As will it from our side.
I have reservations about that due to the fact that you can discount no first policy of India here which is only limited to a conventional war set up. Any non-conventional approach (employment of chemicals/biological weapons as also as extension proxies) India is clear it reserves the right to use ANY weapon. So I say.
Hellfire,
India simply does not have the capability to take out Pakistan's entire conventional or unconventional capability in one strike, or even severely damage it.
If India resorts to a first strike, you will pay dearly as well.
In any case, leave the fan boy comments off the thread please, back to topic.
There was zero indication on my part that the article suggested intervention in kashmir.There's zero indication that we are involved in back-channel negotiations over Kashmir's status. None from that article so hold your breath if that's what you read from it but I sure don't.
Hardly - you are the embodiment of the moral depravity - business intereests over the rights of people.Tiresome soapbox pontifications.
Oh we should believe the UNSC, since you love to pontificate about the '42 nation mandate in Afghanistan or some such thing. But are their UNSC resolutions on Balochistan demanding a plebiscite and outlining their rights? Is Balochistan under occupation? The extent of the horror and atrocities documented by international human rights organizations in Kashmir far surpasses anything the Baluch terrorist groups lie about.Baluchis tell fascinatingly similar tales of horror. Who to believe in this evil world?
At this point is more like being humored given how repetitious the pejoratives and unsubstantiated allegations are.Are you upset that I muse of your army's vulnerability to the islamist message?
"The officer corps has the same sentiments as the public about the involvement of the Army in politics."
Indeed they do- among the ranks and mid-level officers I fully believe that the conversations differ little from your public- hidden hands, anti-Pakistani conspiracies, anti-islamic hatred by others, PREDATOR, rude and arrogant Americans, etc.
...and no idea who to support. Your commanders and civil leaders were shocked by Bajaur. Your troops by SWAT. Your fellow muslim citizens now carry arms and look at your men and say,
"You cannot shoot me. I am muslim and Pakistani. All I want is what you should want if you're a good muslim too. If you kill me, you do so as a dog of the state and a lackey of the American serpents.
Join us instead or step aside."
That's what I'd say and that's exactly what your commanders fear. It will destroy the army and I believe your troops are in their barracks and being worked INTENSIVELY to re-think the coming war.
I hope so anyway. If not they are there to surrender and may already have. Your army cannot afford to reveal open fissures to the Indians. It will do all it can to hide this growing cancer in your ranks from other interested observers. The best way in the mind of Kiyani and your corps commanders may be to put the troops on the shelf if they can't be re-indoctrinated to understand the public must render unto Caesar what is his.
Finally, reinvigorated psychologically or not, this is a massive endeavor that's not finished until Waziristan and Baluchistan are recaptured. We're looking at years likely, even decades. That sort of war may shatter your army functionally in any case.
It damned near did ours in S. Vietnam. Here, however, you've the luxury of fighting for your lands.
That should matter to Pakistani patriots, I'd hope.
Finally, reinvigorated psychologically or not, this is a massive endeavor that's not finished until Waziristan and Baluchistan are recaptured. We're looking at years likely, even decades. That sort of war may shatter your army functionally in any case.
Muse
PA is a NCO led army unlike India (where an officer leads and holds sway and as such knows the nerves of his troops). This again poses a serious challenge as the NCO himself is from similar background. The officers have maintained a class system from colonial days and as such can not really analyse how their troops will respond in a firefight in case they are asked to engage the talibs at all.
So its really a question of if the PA top Brass has the brass where its needed!
Well, sooner or later I've got to be proved wrong on this point. Have you a date firm in mind to do so as I've been waiting since that battalion was captured enmasse a few years ago?