Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[syed_yusuf]

PAF always wanted to maintain a fleet of 100 + vipers and this will happen even if slowly may it be second hand and then be MLU ... as for the vipers bought from Jordan yes they are gone through MLU.

they have gone though MLU but not at the PAF F-16 mlu level. jordanian F-16 are at ADF level a much older mlu

 

[DrWatson775]

I think PAF is no longer interested in ordering new F-16s, they are just looking to sweep as many 2nd F-16 as possible. European countries that are looking to replace their F-16 are best for Pakistan we can get their F-16s and get them MLUed by TAI and JF-17 must be the only new fighter we induct.
Btw the F-16s we got from Jordan have they gone through MLU (mid life upgrade) ?

Another 18 or so block 52s will always be welcome... if funding is available though.

 

[A2Z]

Another 18 or so block 52s will always be welcome... if funding is available though.

PAF has the option of additional 18 blk52 but all the funds that are available are being mostly utilized for JF-17, and why not block 3 of thunder is expected to be as potent as blk52.

 

[TOPGUN]

they have gone though MLU but not at the PAF F-16 mlu level. jordanian F-16 are at ADF level a much older mlu

Correct , I never said they were at PAF MLU level , I was answering the question general sense on MLU iam well aware they are ADF vipers thanks

 

[nomi007]

a Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System

Back-seat view in an F-16D

F-16MLU cockpit simulator

F-16C "Wide-angle" Head-Up Display

 

[Sine Nomine]

This F-16 Viper Managed To Fly Back To Base Missing Half A Wing

Last October there was a nearly fatal collision between two F-16 Vipers from the 125th Fighter Squadron of the Oklahoma Air National Guard. All we knew at the time was that one of the jets went down in a field after the pilot safely ejected, while the other managed to land with a damaged wing. But "damaged" was putting it lightly. Half of the wing was completely sheered off.

The extent of the damage is remarkable, with a massive portion of the wing ripped off like a shark took a chunk out of it mid-air. Even more remarkable is that the pilot of the stricken Viper was able to safely fly back to base, well over 100 miles from where the collision occurred.

The doomed flight was a 2-vs-1 air-to-air training mission over the Eureka Military Operating Area (MOA) in Kansas around 2 PM. The two-ship section was headed by an experienced Viper pilot, while his wingman was fairly new to the F-16. The first intercept occurred against a lone F-16 acting as the enemy without incident, the second was another story.

The jets flew in a combat spread formation towards the "enemy" jet Bandit. At the merge, the wingman initiated a left turn towards the F-16, which was passing between the two friendly jets. The flight lead misread that as a right turn and proceeded his own right turn towards the aircraft. With the flight lead not maintaining a continual visual on his wingman – likely concentrating on finding the enemy jet as the group entered into a tight-turning dogfight – the two jets in the "friendly" section flew into each other.

Here's the USAF's rendering of how it went down:

The wingman's jet sliced through his flight lead with his missile rail impacting the lead jet's F-16 from the wing root back. This sent the lead into a violent maneuver, with the wingman immediately calling for him to eject. Thankfully, the heavy G loads didn't prevent that. His aircraft pancaked into the ground moments later and he ended up landing less than 100 feet from its burning carcass.

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Human error and a classic loss of situational awareness caused the mishap, but we can also draw a few other observations.

First off, it's a chilling reminder of just how fast things move up there and how a simple misjudgment or loss of visual on another aircraft can cost aircrew their lives. Secondly, it's astonishing that an F-16 – nicknamed the "Electric Jet" due to its fly-by-wire flight control system and electronic actuators – can lose half of a wing and still make it home safely. I'd be very interested to have an engineer explain just how the Viper's computers could account for that level of damage and keep the jet pointed in the right direction.

Although we've seen this kind of thing before (check the video below), the F-15's is a lifting body design, with much of its lift coming from the fuselage, along with the wings. Conversely, the Viper relies almost entirely on its wings for lift. Additionally, the F-15 does have an augmented stability control system, but it's not a fly-by-wire aircraft with "relaxed stability" and instead relies on traditional hydraulics to power its control surfaces.


Although the incident was terrifying for all involved, at least no lives were lost, and Viper pilots around the world can feel a little safer knowing they could lose six feet of wing and the jet will still bring them home in one piece. That's something Hornet pilots have known for some time:

This F-16 Viper Managed To Fly Back To Base Missing Half A Wing

 

[khanasifm]

F16 vs. F15

 

[Windjammer]

 

[nomi007]

DB110 Aerial Reconnaissance Pod

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The Goodrich’s DB-110 reconnaissance pod is a digital, real-time, tactical reconnaissance system designed to capture images in day or night, using electro-optical sensor technology. The pod can transmit Images via datalink to the ground in real time. The system is produced Goodrich’s Surveillance and Reconnaissance Systems (SRS) team based in Chelmsford, Mass. The data link ground stations are designed and built by a Goodrich facility in Malvern, U.K. for the Poland Peace Sky Program.





The DB-110 is a long-range oblique sensor to provide long-range, medium range and short-range imaging systems to support standoff and penetrating missions. It can be operated autonomously, by the pod’s reconnaissance management system. Imagery is viewed on the F-16’s cockpit video display, enabling the pilot to verify targets and conduct tasks such as battle damage assessment. This system allows the pilot increased flexibility over current fielded systems.

The DB-110/RAPTOR (Reconnaissance Airborne Pod for Tornado) delivers high definition imagery in the visible and infrared bands at extremely long ranges. Its offers broad area coverage, spot and stereo coverage. The systems use an 11″ aperture telescope with adjustable focal length of 110″ in the visible range and 55″ in the IR range. The EO assembly is mounted on a two-axis stabilized maintaining 180° field of regard across, and ± 20° along the line of flight. The system has two-axis line of sight stabilization, and is compensated for ground speed range of 0.1 to 1.6 Mach, at altitude above 10,000 feet. It provides variable overlap capability, from 10 to 100% and panoramic scanning (4° to 28°).

September 2006: Poland will soon receive the first of seven DB-110 airborne reconnaissance pods to equip its newly procured F-16C/Ds (Peace Sky). DB-110 (known as Raptor) is built by Goodrich and is operational with the U.K. Royal Air Force Tornados, used during Operation Iraqi Freedom It is also in operation on the OP-3C aircraft flown by the Japanese Maritime Staff Office and pakistan f-16s

 

[nomi007]

AGM-65 Maverick

 

[Sine Nomine]

 

[IrbiS]

@LonE_WolF's courtesy

MLU with SNIPER ATP

 

[fatman17]

The 13 ex - jordanian F16s cost the PAF US $ 75 mill or slightly under 6m per aircraft. Not a bad deal considering the paucity of funds these days.

 

[nomi007]

OVER ISLAMABAD TODAY

 

[Sine Nomine]

The 13 ex - jordanian F16s cost the PAF US $ 75 mill or slightly under 6m per aircraft. Not a bad deal considering the paucity of funds these days.

With MLU or without...