Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[nightrider_saulat]

Saulat
The info is in the forum. Unfortunately, and I dont want to sound prudish, I dont have the time to dig it out. But the time line for these MLUs which have gone to USA is 2011. If TAI starts MLUing our aircrafts in 2010 ,it will still take 48 months for full fleet toMLU, if I rememeber corrrectly I am sorry i cant be any more halp at the moment.
Araz

what i have heard that is that TAI has won the contract for 41 falcons
where the rest 4 are in USA for MLU,but at this time i want to know
by which time those 4 will be MLUed completely and will be available in pakistan
please tell me sir!

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

again fighting for nothing.leave MLU guys.

 

[araz]

what i have heard that is that TAI has won the contract for 41 falcons
where the rest 4 are in USA for MLU,but at this time i want to know
by which time those 4 will be MLUed completely and will be available in pakistan
please tell me sir!

Again read my post .2011 is the date given.
Araz

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

YEP.. 4 ARE ALREADY IN AMERICA.. PAKISTAN IS LOOKING FOR DOZEN MORE.....

 

[Tomahawk]

Just heard on Dunya News; ACM has said that Pakistan will receive 14 new F-16 fighter jets from US by end of June this year.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

i am keeping my fingers twist!

 

[Super Falcon]

welll and are they coming withs JDAMS bunker busters air to air AMRAAM

 

[Dazzler]

Yes they are coming with all the goodies bundled in a package, good news as this will be a boost for the PAF.

 

[mean_bird]

Just heard on Dunya News; ACM has said that Pakistan will receive 14 new F-16 fighter jets from US by end of June this year.

Thats a false/misleading statement.

PAF will start receiving the blk 52 F-16 from June, but not all 14 of them will arrive in June. Here's the schedule of the F-16s blk 52+ that PAF had purchased:

• four aircraft will be ready in June 2010;
• four aircraft in August 2010;
  [*]five aircraft in october 2010; four aircraft in Dec 2010;
  [*]and, one aircraft in December 2011.

As far as the "goodies" are concerned, we have

• 500 AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM);
  [*]750 Mark-84 2000 lb General Purpose bombs;
  [*]700 BLU-109 2000 lb Penetrator bombs;
  [*]500 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits;
  [*]1600 Enhanced Guided Bomb Unit 3 (EGBU) kits;
  [*]and assorted bomb fuzes and support equipment.

These weapons will be available for delivery to Pakistan beginning in June 2010. Just as a side note, the 500 AIM 120C-5 is the largest single purchase of AMRAAMS by any foreign country.

 

[mean_bird]

The first four MLU aircraft are undergoing work in Fort Worth, Texas as of now. The schedule for delivery of these aircraft is December 2011. The rest of the MLU, as we know, will be done at TAI, Turkey.

The MLU upgrade kits will include (in addition to STAR structural upgrade):

• APG-68(V)9 radar;
• Embedded GPS/INS (EGI);
• Link-16 data link;
• APX-113 Advanced Identify Friend or Foe (AIFF);
• Color Cockpit with Color Moving Map;
• ALQ- 211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite (AIDEWS) Pod;
• Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS) Cockpit and External Lighting;
• Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod;
• oint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS);
• Reconnaissance Pod capability;
• improved avionics systems;
• JDAM capability;
• EGBU capability;
• AIM-120 AMRAAM capability;
• and AGM-84 Harpoon capability.

Key differences between MLU and new F-16 blk 52 that we have purchased

• no improvements to the Block 15 mission range
• no improvements to the Block 15 loiter time
• no engine improvements
• no improvements to payload capacity.

In short, no extra hardpoints/capacity and no engine improvement. Avionics wise same as blk 52.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

80 Apache Helicopters would do wonders, just the other day one of our cobras went down

We need solid help in that area imagine 30-40 helicopters helping out patrol the worst taliban areas???

 

[Aeri-Eye]

I hope none of the F-16s are installed with secret devices monitoring their movement, data etc. Otherwise they would be useless as Uncle Sam probably won't be backing us in any future war with India. I am seriously praying that these birds are not installed with secret devices. Not trying to say PAF is too dumb or that it can't work out but let's face it, these Yanks are far ahead of us in technology so therefore the risks are always there!

PS: I heard these new birds can't fly to any country without US permission? Is is this just a rumour or true? If true, then i hope this is our last deal with US. We should now start looking forward to Chinese or other western countries stuff.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Thats a false/misleading statement.

PAF will start receiving the blk 52 F-16 from June, but not all 14 of them will arrive in June. Here's the schedule of the F-16s blk 52+ that PAF had purchased:

• four aircraft will be ready in June 2010;
• four aircraft in August 2010;
  [*]five aircraft in october 2010; four aircraft in Dec 2010;
  [*]and, one aircraft in December 2011.

As far as the "goodies" are concerned, we have

• 500 AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM);
  [*]750 Mark-84 2000 lb General Purpose bombs;
  [*]700 BLU-109 2000 lb Penetrator bombs;
  [*]500 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits;
  [*]1600 Enhanced Guided Bomb Unit 3 (EGBU) kits;
  [*]and assorted bomb fuzes and support equipment.

These weapons will be available for delivery to Pakistan beginning in June 2010. Just as a side note, the 500 AIM 120C-5 is the largest single purchase of AMRAAMS by any foreign country.

Thats a lot of Fire Power.
Congrats PAF !

 

[owais.usmani]

Thats a false/misleading statement.

PAF will start receiving the blk 52 F-16 from June, but not all 14 of them will arrive in June. Here's the schedule of the F-16s blk 52+ that PAF had purchased:

• four aircraft will be ready in June 2010;
• four aircraft in August 2010;
  [*]five aircraft in october 2010; four aircraft in Dec 2010;
  [*]and, one aircraft in December 2011.

As far as the "goodies" are concerned, we have

• 500 AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM);
  [*]750 Mark-84 2000 lb General Purpose bombs;
  [*]700 BLU-109 2000 lb Penetrator bombs;
  [*]500 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits;
  [*]1600 Enhanced Guided Bomb Unit 3 (EGBU) kits;
  [*]and assorted bomb fuzes and support equipment.

These weapons will be available for delivery to Pakistan beginning in June 2010. Just as a side note, the 500 AIM 120C-5 is the largest single purchase of AMRAAMS by any foreign country.

The "goodies" also include 300 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Missiles.

 

[AVIAN]

I hope none of the F-16s are installed with secret devices monitoring their movement, data etc. Otherwise they would be useless as Uncle Sam probably won't be backing us in any future war with India. I am seriously praying that these birds are not installed with secret devices. Not trying to say PAF is too dumb or that it can't work out but let's face it, these Yanks are far ahead of us in technology so therefore the risks are always there!

PS: I heard these new birds can't fly to any country without US permission? Is is this just a rumour or true? If true, then i hope this is our last deal with US. We should now start looking forward to Chinese or other western countries stuff.

May be this is a chance because either way this F-16 are part of the foreign aid and hence some of the sort of obligation will likely to be put on PAF for its use.