Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[fatman17]

27 Oct 1976
Iran orders 160 F-16s and takes an option on 140 more (Peace Zebra). The order was cancelled in 1979 with the fall of the Shah.

wow 300 F-16s....what would have been.

 

[IrbiS]

27 Oct 1976
Iran orders 160 F-16s and takes an option on 140 more (Peace Zebra). The order was cancelled in 1979 with the fall of the Shah.

wow 300 F-16s....what would have been.

Instead the jews got them.Ground support equipment delivered to Iran was later sold to Pakistan.

 

[syedali73]

27 Oct 1976
Iran orders 160 F-16s and takes an option on 140 more (Peace Zebra). The order was cancelled in 1979 with the fall of the Shah.

wow 300 F-16s....what would have been.

Pakistan would have been crushed between a rock and a hard place. Few people realize that demise of Shah actually helped Pakistan in several ways otherwise Shah was hugely ambitious.

 

[umair86pk]

Pics are of delivery to egyption airforce

 

[IrbiS]

Pics are of delivery to egyption airforce

Sorry, my mistake as took these from video and were together, I didn't notice egyptian finflash

 

[Quwa]

Pakistan would have been crushed between a rock and a hard place. Few people realize that demise of Shah actually helped Pakistan in several ways otherwise Shah was hugely ambitious.

It wouldn't have mattered. Iran always had regional ambitions, it still does, but it pursues them in different ways (as we've seen in Iraq and Syria). That said, the issue actually isn't Iran, the real threat is from within Pakistan. Because our leaders have no care for ideas such as true independence or power projection, we will forever remain in a reactionary mode, as opposed to proactive.

 

[IrbiS]

Pakistan would have been crushed between a rock and a hard place. Few people realize that demise of Shah actually helped Pakistan in several ways otherwise Shah was hugely ambitious.

It was same shah who was filling our fighters' tanks in 65

 

[krash]

Pakistan would have been crushed between a rock and a hard place. Few people realize that demise of Shah actually helped Pakistan in several ways otherwise Shah was hugely ambitious.

Unlikely. After the settlement of the border disputes with Iran the Shah became very favourable to Pakistan. The two countries enjoyed a really good relationship during the time of the Shah.

 

[Rahil khan]

Pakistan would have been crushed between a rock and a hard place. Few people realize that demise of Shah actually helped Pakistan in several ways otherwise Shah was hugely ambitious.

How ?? If i am not wrong, Pakistan had very good bilateral relations with Iran during the Shah's regime. Thanks to revolution in Iran and bad governance and mismanagement in Pakistan that people are suffering in both countries.

 

[niaz]

How ?? If i am not wrong, Pakistan had very good bilateral relations with Iran during the Shah's regime. Thanks to revolution in Iran and bad governance and mismanagement in Pakistan that people are suffering in both countries.

In my humble opinion our good relations with Iran were primarily because both Iran & Pakistan were firmly in the US camp whereas India was non-aligned with strong pro-Russian leaning.

Pak-Iran relations worsened after the fall of the Shah precisely because Pakistan was perceived as US stooge by the revolutionary regime for whom US was the biggest Satan (Taghoot e buzarg). Currently India & Iran are on far more friendly terms than Pakistan & Iran. Main reason for this is the rise of anti-Shia sentiment in Pakistan financed by the Saudis. To this day US & Saudi consider Iran a bigger threat than ISIS and Al-Qaida.

Our problem is that majority of Pakistanis including the policy maker's thinking is clouded with considerations other than national interest. With the religious bias; if you have an extremist/Wahhabi leaning, you either support or condone killing of innocent Hazaras, Ahmadis and other non-Muslim Pakistanis. If you are a Shia you follow Iranian Ayatollah blindly and kill Sunni ulema.

Those with the ethnic bias only look towards their narrow minded ethnic interests rather than what is good for Pakistan, we have the PPP & MQM’s example in Sind. In Baluchistan Punjabi labourers are being pulled down from the buses and being killed!!!
Besides, pray tell me is there any reason why no political party wants to hold local bodies’ elections? Even the PTI have no such plans for KPK!

Our relations with Afghanistan have always been topsy turvy. As if problems with Narendar Modi’s India were not enough, we have had cross border firing along our western border as well! Would anyone in this right mind call this good foreign policy.
But who cares about rantings of a liberal Pakistani like me, extremist lovers such as the bigot Munawwar Hassan rule the roost here and even a Nobel Peace Laureate such as poor Malala is being demonized by the Taliban loving section of Pakistan society.

Regret to say that relations with Iran are not going to improve until such time that LEJ & SSP stop target killing innocent Shia citizens of Pakistan.

 

[xplayer]

The Netherlands buy 37 F-35 jets to replace F-16s.
I think PAF want to talk with Netherland Goverment to buy F-16s.

 

[Jungibaaz]

The Netherlands buy 37 F-35 jets to replace F-16s.
I think PAF want to talk with Netherland Goverment to buy F-16s.

Many opportunities will arise like this in the next 10 years. And PAF is still hungry for F-16s.

 

[fatman17]

Many opportunities will arise like this in the next 10 years. And PAF is still hungry for F-16s.

European F-16s have too many flying hours on them. PAF has tried already with Belgium, Norway without any luck.

 

[araz]

European F-16s have too many flying hours on them. PAF has tried already with Belgium, Norway without any luck.

To add to this according to Munir the Dutch F16s have been used pretty hard and the corrosion on account of being near sea has not helped either. Is the any chance we might buy the rest of the Jordanian fleet of F-16s.?
Araz

 

[syedali73]

European F-16s have too many flying hours on them. PAF has tried already with Belgium, Norway without any luck.

Please eleborate 'without any luck'? PAF was not satisfied with the state of the airplanes or Belgium/Norway refused? If it is flying hours, MLU wont help?