Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Keysersoze]

I just asked a serving officer of the PAF and he told me that there isn’t much difference between the Block 52 and Block 60s. But that the Block 60s are only used by Israel and UAE therefore getting spare parts for them would be a downright pain in the arse which is primarily the reason why they chose the Block 52 which has more widespread service in the international market.

Block 60 is ONLY used by the UAE Israel uses a version of the BLK 52 called the sufa Which has some Israeli components replace American ones. But for all intents and purposes it is a blk 52.

 

[RS4]

Block 60 is ONLY used by the UAE Israel uses a version of the BLK 52 called the sufa Which has some Israeli components replace American ones. But for all intents and purposes it is a blk 52.

I think it is worth mentioning that the Blk 60 has not even entered USAF servie yet, much is being made of the fact that INdia has been offered the BLK 70 and that PAF did not get Blk 60. But bear in mind that BLK 52 is very simialr to BLK 60 and in the future most likely will be upgraded to whatever the USAF is useing. PAF will following the USAF lead and as it will look to the USAF and lockheed direct for spare part and upgradea etc.I think we must now read in to this to much. Also the Indian Air force will co manufacture the aircraft selected in the MRCA programme. PAC as of yet dooes not have the capabilities to manufacture and advanced western fighter the F16. This incapability is being adressed in the form of the JF17, but this development i n PAK aviation capabilities will take time. The BLK 52 is and will be the most potent platform in the PAF to date. I dnt think the US will place an arms embargo on Pakistan again. That does not mean we should be suprised to see more arms deals between India and the US. BUT REMEBER India is going to a Super power, is the worlds largest Democracies and is a global economic power added in India use by the West to counter the Supermacy of China over Asia. Pakistan in none of the above so we can expect to be given such status by the US. The World is changing and the old Cold War legacies and dieing, Pakistan must realistic in its expectation from it alliance with US, and look Strengthen its alliances with Turkey, China possibly France etc. I think PAF have got a good aircraft platform in the BLK 52, and would not be suprised if we see more of them in the PAF in the future.

 

[superbikez]

waiting waiting waiting.. im waiting for this BLK 52 in PAF (2011) inshallah.... I think BLK 52 is best for Pakistan Airforce....

 

[Kasrkin]

Israel uses a version of the BLK 52 called the sufa Which has some Israeli components replace American ones. But for all intents and purposes it is a blk 52.

If you say so, but I'll be sure to check it up.

 

[Contrarian]

You cannot upgrade to a Blk 60. It has a different structure, it has some changes in the airframe among other things. The max you can reach is a blk 52 apart from the Soufa-which again is tailored to the Israeli requirements and has numerous Israeli equipment replacing the standard equipment.

 

[IceCold]

I think we should, if only the Americans are willing to prove that they are a reliable and friendly source. It should be a give and take relationship, but due to their current actions involving the WoT, much can be argued against American weaponry at the same time.

I dont think so that at this stage they can prove to be unreliable. The reason i make such a claim is because as long as the US is engaged in Afghanistan, they will continue with their carrort and stick policy for Pakistan and not just stick and US isnt leaving Afghanistan anytime soon. Obama will be even more focused on Afghanistan then Bush ever was because of Iraq.

 

[superbikez]

I dont think so that at this stage they can prove to be unreliable. The reason i make such a claim is because as long as the US is engaged in Afghanistan, they will continue with their carrort and stick policy for Pakistan and not just stick and US isnt leaving Afghanistan anytime soon. Obama will be even more focused on Afghanistan then Bush ever was because of Iraq.

exactly PAF should demand for F16s and more n more F16s this time to get opportunity, Demands new weapons on the name of WoT fight. If us will deliver 18 F16s block 50/52 in 2011 thn PAF go for more 50 _ F16s of different version if Paf have enough budget... what do u think guys ? and how much we can trust about the deal between PAF and US of new BLK 50/52 in 2010-11.

 

[Salahadin]

Future Orders
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article14.html

On March 25th, 2005, the US Government announced that it had agreed to Pakistan's request to sell new F-16s. Initially, Pakistan has requested an additional 24 new Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds (with option for as much as 55 aircraft). Not much details are known at this moment about a possible sale of the aircraft to Pakistan. The deal is expected to be concluded by September or October of 2005. As part of the package, it was also agreed that the current fleet of older A/B models would get the MLU update.

As a sign of good gesture, the US agreed to supply Pakistan with a number of F-16s who where build under the Peace Gate III/IV programs. Up to now 2 have already been delivered.

Finally, after long series of negotiations, on September 30th, 2006 the contract was signed between the Pakistani and US government for the acquisition of 18 new F-16C/D block 52 aircraft and an option for another 18 more. In the deal the re-delivery of the 26 remaining Peace Gate III/IV aircraft was also agreed and the upgrade of those aircraft - and the remaining F-16A/B fleet - to MLU standards.

PAF Inventory
Program Model Block Qty. Serials Delivered
Peace Gate I F-16A Block 15 2 82701/82702 1983
F-16B Block 15 4 82601/82604 1983
Peace Gate II F-16A Block 15 26 83703, 84704/84719,
85720/85728 1983-1987
F-16B Block 15 8 82605, 84606/84608,
85609/85612 1983-1987
Peace Gate III F-16A Block 15OCU 6 91729, 92730/92734 embargoed
F-16B Block 15OCU 5 91613, 92614/92617 embargoed
Peace Gate IV F-16A Block 15OCU 7 92735/92739, 93740/93741 embargoed
F-16B Block 15OCU 10 92618, 93619/93621,
94622/94624, 95625/95627 embargoed
F-16A Block 15OCU 41 9_742/9_782 stop-work
F-16B Block 15OCU 2 9_628/9_629 stop-work
New Order F-16C Block 52 12 ? 2009-2010
F-16D Block 52 6 ? 2009-2010
Option F-16C/D Block 52 18 ? 2009-2010

I work for lockheed martin I have also heard that pakistan may be offered f18 in 2012-13

 

[notorious_eagle]

Future Orders
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article14.html

On March 25th, 2005, the US Government announced that it had agreed to Pakistan's request to sell new F-16s. Initially, Pakistan has requested an additional 24 new Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds (with option for as much as 55 aircraft). Not much details are known at this moment about a possible sale of the aircraft to Pakistan. The deal is expected to be concluded by September or October of 2005. As part of the package, it was also agreed that the current fleet of older A/B models would get the MLU update.

As a sign of good gesture, the US agreed to supply Pakistan with a number of F-16s who where build under the Peace Gate III/IV programs. Up to now 2 have already been delivered.

Finally, after long series of negotiations, on September 30th, 2006 the contract was signed between the Pakistani and US government for the acquisition of 18 new F-16C/D block 52 aircraft and an option for another 18 more. In the deal the re-delivery of the 26 remaining Peace Gate III/IV aircraft was also agreed and the upgrade of those aircraft - and the remaining F-16A/B fleet - to MLU standards.

PAF Inventory
Program Model Block Qty. Serials Delivered
Peace Gate I F-16A Block 15 2 82701/82702 1983
F-16B Block 15 4 82601/82604 1983
Peace Gate II F-16A Block 15 26 83703, 84704/84719,
85720/85728 1983-1987
F-16B Block 15 8 82605, 84606/84608,
85609/85612 1983-1987
Peace Gate III F-16A Block 15OCU 6 91729, 92730/92734 embargoed
F-16B Block 15OCU 5 91613, 92614/92617 embargoed
Peace Gate IV F-16A Block 15OCU 7 92735/92739, 93740/93741 embargoed
F-16B Block 15OCU 10 92618, 93619/93621,
94622/94624, 95625/95627 embargoed
F-16A Block 15OCU 41 9_742/9_782 stop-work
F-16B Block 15OCU 2 9_628/9_629 stop-work
New Order F-16C Block 52 12 ? 2009-2010
F-16D Block 52 6 ? 2009-2010
Option F-16C/D Block 52 18 ? 2009-2010

I work for lockheed martin I have also heard that pakistan may be offered f18 in 2012-13

Yes but i seriousally doubt it if PAF will go for F18's.

 

[hanmya]

Yes but i seriousally doubt it if PAF will go for F18's.

Would those F-18's be the base models or the superhornets - the A/B, C/D or the E/F variants? The E/F variants are the ones in the Indian MMRCA competition. AFAIK they are not giving anyone the E/F variants, except for the Australian Airforce!
Is you are offered the base model, would that be a near obsolete plane by then compared to USAF standards?

 

[Zob]

I don't think pakistan will be intrested in F-18's i guess PAF has an affection for F-16's that i doubt will ever dwindle...besides i think pakistan wishes to improve its JF-17's and purchase a few J-10's and have one squadron of F-16's blk-52. i guess that is more than sufficent if u want to have a detterance...PAF never hasn any plans of using its airforce for offensive measures!!

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't think pakistan will be intrested in F-18's i guess PAF has an affection for F-16's that i doubt will ever dwindle...besides i think pakistan wishes to improve its JF-17's and purchase a few J-10's and have one squadron of F-16's blk-52. i guess that is more than sufficent if u want to have a detterance...PAF never hasn any plans of using its airforce for offensive measures!!

Zob,

How are you? As I wrote in one of my other post on another thread---we know PAF is heading into a different direction----it will be a different airforce in 2015---nothing compared to what it is today by any means---we can all talk about it---but unless we see the machines in operation, till that time we cannot comprehend what we have gotten ourselves.

Yes---today we talk about PAF being a defensive strike force---but tomorrow's PAF will be an offensive strike capability airforce----with all this procurement for the coming years, where do you think we are heading for----we already know that on the political front, we are never going to have peace just being defensive. Our opponent has made it very clear time and again----keeping that into consideration and then looking at the strength of the PAF after 2015---it will be very difficult to control the FLYBOYS from doing what they do best.

 

[TOPGUN]

I agree totally wish MasterKhan well said sir may this happen soon to come inshallah GOD bless Pakistan!!!!!!!!!

 

[TOPGUN]

Wat about any other platforms we can look in to other then f-16's or chinese ? or we can get ?? any views guys but realistic ones !!

 

[Jihad]

Zob,

How are you? As I wrote in one of my other post on another thread---we know PAF is heading into a different direction----it will be a different airforce in 2015---nothing compared to what it is today by any means---we can all talk about it---but unless we see the machines in operation, till that time we cannot comprehend what we have gotten ourselves.

Yes---today we talk about PAF being a defensive strike force---but tomorrow's PAF will be an offensive strike capability airforce----with all this procurement for the coming years, where do you think we are heading for----we already know that on the political front, we are never going to have peace just being defensive. Our opponent has made it very clear time and again----keeping that into consideration and then looking at the strength of the PAF after 2015---it will be very difficult to control the FLYBOYS from doing what they do best.

Excellent post, I could not agree more.