Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[StormBreaker]

I read his tweet too I also agree with him LM has 62 billion for F-16 programme from US Govt blk 70 satandard so it is possible offer some CSF and line of credit to Pak can produce vipers locally is cost effective way any way

Don’t forget,
Such a move has consequences,
Possibly to sabotage the Thunder program and become a kabab ki haddi in BVR procurements from China...

 

[mingle]

Don’t forget,
Such a move has consequences,
Possibly to sabotage the Thunder program and become a kabab ki haddi in BVR procurements from China...

Both F16 and JF17 are operational requirements of PAF they both belongs to different class plus PAF needs 500 jetts.

 

[fanna4paf2]

 

[TheTallGuy]

Let me put this in perspective honestly,
F-16C/D Block 70/72
It has to be fakenews about F-16s because it cant be the Block 70 or 72 because MOU needs to be signed LM needs to declare publicly. and the if they were said to be 36 then at-least 54 months program of manufacture and then arms contracts are required. with freeze in military budget and 5 billion$ purchase be it CSF (if we had this much amount in CSF...it is far fetched...and yes it me saying far fetched!)
INDUS VIPER(Assembly line)
Not Possible - requires LM investment in Production factory and Developed eco-system of military production which we do not have...just not possible and still it requires by US law to declare publicly...so just not possible.
AH-1Z ZULU COBRA
1-2 already delivered. i think this is correct news.
C-130J & used C-130J-30 (5+4)
Complete fake news.
RJAF F-16ADF 16+1 and 13 x in-service PAF F-16ADF (to be upgrade to MLU)
This is a possibility...as wartime attrition replacement but US did not responded on it.

Sorry, as i understand from Jun-2019 there are no new purchase what we received and you have seen are orders of 2016-18. since jun-19 all the money is spend on spares and trying our best to reach 14+1 wartime stock and fuel reserves.

We shall fight with what we have now..PAF has enough edge for 2-3 years of peacetime...

 

[The Raven]

On the one hand people are talking about scrounging for second gen used Mirages IIIs from Egypt, and on the other a Block-70/72 production line in Pakistan. Go figure!

 

[ziaulislam]

Let me put this in perspective honestly,
F-16C/D Block 70/72
It has to be fakenews about F-16s because it cant be the Block 70 or 72 because MOU needs to be signed LM needs to declare publicly. and the if they were said to be 36 then at-least 54 months program of manufacture and then arms contracts are required. with freeze in military budget and 5 billion$ purchase be it CSF (if we had this much amount in CSF...it is far fetched...and yes it me saying far fetched!)
INDUS VIPER(Assembly line)
Not Possible - requires LM investment in Production factory and Developed eco-system of military production which we do not have...just not possible and still it requires by US law to declare publicly...so just not possible.
AH-1Z ZULU COBRA
1-2 already delivered. i think this is correct news.
C-130J & used C-130J-30 (5+4)
Complete fake news.
RJAF F-16ADF 16+1 and 13 x in-service PAF F-16ADF (to be upgrade to MLU)
This is a possibility...as wartime attrition replacement but US did not responded on it.

Sorry, as i understand from Jun-2019 there are no new purchase what we received and you have seen are orders of 2016-18. since jun-19 all the money is spend on spares and trying our best to reach 14+1 wartime stock and fuel reserves.

We shall fight with what we have now..PAF has enough edge for 2-3 years of peacetime...

Used equipment including c130 & f16s is possible as pompeo and trump just need to say yes...they can by pass every one..this was how it happened with jordan ones..was all of sudden..
There are plenty of countries with surplus f16s & c130s

Rest is probably not true untill a notification is released ..

Remeber issue today is cost...i believe if PAF paid in cash it will get the f16s even b70s..as USA knows options arent as limited as it were in 1990s...on same side PAF also doesnt thunk its worth buying f16s at cost of 4 jf17s..especially since future isnt grantee with it (sanctions always a possiblity)

 

[Incog_nito]

Are used F-16 Block-15s still in PAF acquisition list?

 

[SABRE]

Don’t forget,
Such a move has consequences,
Possibly to sabotage the Thunder program and become a kabab ki haddi in BVR procurements from China...

It might also come at the cost of either severely scaling back CPEC or completely abandoning it, which invariably means doing the same with Pakistan-China relations. The US is not in the business of sharing technology unless they get something much bigger out of it; politically or financially or both. Abandoning Thunder programme - or the CPEC - would be like abandoning Pakistan itself.

The US has had suspicions that Pakistan might share the tech & experience of F-16's finished product with China, and hence the stationing of the US personnel in Pakistan and F-16s not being allowed to leave the country. Giving away a production line, which provides greater insight into the F-16's technology (that too, Blk 70/72), would be unfathomable for them under this fear.

Assuming that what is being implied here - the idea of a new F-16 aka Indus Viper - it is most likely an F-16 Blk 70/72 to be produced by LM in the US based on PAF's requirements. At best, two squadrons might be purchased. It might be prudent, however, if we could secure some spare parts production and sizable supply of AMRAAMs & Sidewinders before hand. If the US stipulates that the spare parts production & subsequent usage takes place under the supervision of its personnel, so be it.

 

[StormBreaker]

It might also come at the cost of either severely scaling back CPEC or completely abandoning it, which invariably means doing the same with Pakistan-China relations. The US is not in the business of sharing technology unless they get something much bigger out of it; politically or financially or both. Abandoning Thunder programme - or the CPEC - would be like abandoning Pakistan itself.

The US has had suspicions that Pakistan might share the tech & experience of F-16's finished product with China, and hence the stationing of the US personnel in Pakistan and F-16s not being allowed to leave the country. Giving away a production line, which provides greater insight into the F-16's technology (that too, Blk 70/72), would be unfathomable for them under this fear.

Assuming that what is being implied here - the idea of a new F-16 aka Indus Viper - it is most likely an F-16 Blk 70/72 to be produced by LM in the US based on PAF's requirements. At best, two squadrons might be purchased. It might be prudent, however, if we could secure some spare parts production and sizable supply of AMRAAMs & Sidewinders before hand. If the US stipulates that the spare parts production & subsequent usage takes place under the supervision of its personnel, so be it.

Don’t forget, just like Peace Gate was the name given to MLU program, another procurement/upgradation program which isn't Block 70/72 could be given a unique name “Indus Viper”

@Blacklight @Caprxl ?

 

[Blacklight]

Don’t forget, just like Peace Gate was the name given to MLU program, another procurement/upgradation program which isn't Block 70/72 could be given a unique name “Indus Viper”

@Blacklight @Caprxl ?

As per PDF official policy outlined my Sir @Arsalan Nothing is happening, nothing is coming. Have a nice day!
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/rumors-finally-ah-1z-are-coming.671100/page-16#post-12433996

 

[Arsalan]

As per PDF official policy outlined my Sir @Arsalan Nothing is happening, nothing is coming. Have a nice day!
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/rumors-finally-ah-1z-are-coming.671100/page-16#post-12433996

O come on man. I am just avoiding venturing into rumor mongering. Right now i am not saying they have arrived and landed as some people are, neither am i saying they are NOT coming!
I think this is how it should be, especially as far as official policy is concerned.

Wait and See!

The reports of two having arrived have been reported by online chatter as well as some military people. On the other hand, it have been denied by many other military people too as you are aware. So the best thing will be not to take sides on this and wait for the confirmation. That is when i will edit the thread title and remove the "rumor" word from it.

 

[SABRE]

Don’t forget, just like Peace Gate was the name given to MLU program, another procurement/upgradation program which isn't Block 70/72 could be given a unique name “Indus Viper”

@Blacklight @Caprxl ?

Of course, there is that. AND then there is the possibility of this whole thing being nothing more than a hot air bubble.

 

[Caprxl]

Don’t forget, just like Peace Gate was the name given to MLU program, another procurement/upgradation program which isn't Block 70/72 could be given a unique name “Indus Viper”

@Blacklight @Caprxl ?

Agreed, but as @Blacklight said,
Let us wait brother.

Jaha itna wait kia ha, let us wait a bit more.

Until something lands , anything can go wrong , many factors.

So I will say to keep a lid for sometime, those who matter on the forum & understand they know what is happening as bread crumbs are being dropped in these one liners from some informed members.

It should be enough for us for the time being .

As they say,
"Where there is smoke , there is fire"
In the end we all want best for

No need to bang our heads on the wall for these innocent brothers.

 

[Rahil khan]

 

[Dreamer.]

As they say,
"Where there is smoke , there is fire"

Not always my friend. Sometimes where there's smoke, there's a smoke grenade.