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Too much work and manpower required to start vetting all the pictures and videos taken by all the hundreds of thousands of servicemen...it's not at all realistically possible.

Instead there should be a blanket ban on taking pictures and recording videos of any military assets, personnels, bases, etc. Only a dedicated team(trained in what is sensitive and what is not) should be allowed to take pictures and record videos(for media purposes like footage of PAF fighter jets for a PAF song or something). This team should then submit it to some higher authority(a second set of eyes to catch anything that the team in charge of filming didn't catch) with a keen eye and broad knowledge of what is sensitive and what is okay for public eyes. Once approved...then it should be released for public.

In this day and age of social media and everyone having smartphones...there should be stern punishments for those who leak stuff(whether intentionally or unintentionally). The punishment should be fairly handed out regardless of how many connections/influence u have(professionalism should be a must in all military branches...and not nepotism).

I agree, the labor required to vet pictures and videos by servicemen and women would be enormous and take away from the mission. Best to have a scalable and simple solution, a blanket ban is also the safest option.
 
As they say,
"Where there is smoke , there is fire"
That or someone is smoking weed!

Not saying that this is the case here, just stating that smoke do not always mean fire, specially in case of military procurement. Plus in case of US-Pak, sometimes even fire do not means fire!!

Bohlari does not have trees as yet!
Boss there were just two little trees in that pic, itny tu hoon gy he na? :)

Anway, the pic is most probably not for the base as already cleared by @airomerix and other members too.
 
Not saying that this is the case here, just stating that smoke do not always mean fire, specially in case of military procurement. Plus in case of US-Pak, sometimes even fire do not means fire!!

Agreed :tup:
 
Perhaps take one of those pills yourself too kindly instead of getting worked up guess work by others, which is 99% of this forum anyways.
Second, you cant expect people to magically forget the topic once its been bought up. If it is unconfirmed, people will naturally speculate.
Bila wajah ka mahool kharab krnay a jatay hain log..

Abb tak kis ka tuka theek Hai???
More than one..
 
https://falcons.pk/photo/General-Dynamics-F-16A-ADF-Fighting-Falcon/2740

Photo-2740.jpg
 
These leaks are often unintended and unfortunate.
I run a few large social media platforms, with others of course.
I was forwarded a video of Chinese JH-7 flying alongside PAF mirages , by a close friend.
It was a good video, recorded by the Mirage pilot himself.
I watermarked it and posted on one of the Facebook pages I operated.
Video went viral and within a few days it was everywhere.
About a week later I received a message from the Mirage pilot himself asking me to take down the video.
I already knew his name because the friend of mine who forwarded me the video said that it was recorded by squadron leader XYZ.
So I knew the request is genuine.
I deleted the video from my Facebook pages and files a copyright claim against other pages who also posted the video. It got removed from Facebook.
A month later the same squadron leader contacted me again asking me to get the video removed from YouTube as it was then threading on YouTube.
He was the original owner of the video but had no way of proving it. But the video had my watermark so I became the owner of the video.
یعنی ٹوپی میرے سر پہ
I made multiple copyright claims on YouTube and the video disappeared from YouTube.
Then it again appeared on Dailymotion, Twitter and other video hosting sites.
The squadron leader again contacted me and this time I had to politely refuses any further actions from me as I had enough.
I asked him why he is spending so much time and effort in searching the internet for the video and trying to take it down?
He said that the Chinese are not happy as the configuration in which JH-7 were flying alongside him was not to be made public.
I asked him , why he released the video in the first place?
He said he is from a certain cadet college and posted the video in a Watts app group only populated by his cadet college colleagues he trusted.
It made sense because I knew that my friend studied in the same cadet college.
He asked me how I got the video and I refused to tell him , because my friend who gave me the video was also his friend and I didn't want to cause friction between them.
I then contacted my friend who originally gave me the video. Told him the whole story and he was well and truly ashamed.
He said that the Watts app group has many serving servicemen who regularly post quite sensitive material on there, but nobody leaks it out of the group. That particular video didn't look sensitive and he just thought it's some Chinese planes flying with Pakistani planes, which looked cool and he forwarded the video to me without thinking much. And that the squadron leader never asked people to not show the video to outsiders.
My friend is not in military, but in oil and gas industry.
I don't know what consequences the squadron leader faced. But I still see that video on the internet, as whatever goes on the internet, stays there forever.
Morale of the story is that servicemen should not post sensitive material on Watts app groups in the first place.
Hi

Did you learn anything from this episode? That would be quite important here.
 
These leaks are often unintended and unfortunate.
I run a few large social media platforms, with others of course.
I was forwarded a video of Chinese JH-7 flying alongside PAF mirages , by a close friend.
It was a good video, recorded by the Mirage pilot himself.
I watermarked it and posted on one of the Facebook pages I operated.
Video went viral and within a few days it was everywhere.
About a week later I received a message from the Mirage pilot himself asking me to take down the video.
I already knew his name because the friend of mine who forwarded me the video said that it was recorded by squadron leader XYZ.
So I knew the request is genuine.
I deleted the video from my Facebook pages and files a copyright claim against other pages who also posted the video. It got removed from Facebook.
A month later the same squadron leader contacted me again asking me to get the video removed from YouTube as it was then threading on YouTube.
He was the original owner of the video but had no way of proving it. But the video had my watermark so I became the owner of the video.
یعنی ٹوپی میرے سر پہ
I made multiple copyright claims on YouTube and the video disappeared from YouTube.
Then it again appeared on Dailymotion, Twitter and other video hosting sites.
The squadron leader again contacted me and this time I had to politely refuses any further actions from me as I had enough.
I asked him why he is spending so much time and effort in searching the internet for the video and trying to take it down?
He said that the Chinese are not happy as the configuration in which JH-7 were flying alongside him was not to be made public.
I asked him , why he released the video in the first place?
He said he is from a certain cadet college and posted the video in a Watts app group only populated by his cadet college colleagues he trusted.
It made sense because I knew that my friend studied in the same cadet college.
He asked me how I got the video and I refused to tell him , because my friend who gave me the video was also his friend and I didn't want to cause friction between them.
I then contacted my friend who originally gave me the video. Told him the whole story and he was well and truly ashamed.
He said that the Watts app group has many serving servicemen who regularly post quite sensitive material on there, but nobody leaks it out of the group. That particular video didn't look sensitive and he just thought it's some Chinese planes flying with Pakistani planes, which looked cool and he forwarded the video to me without thinking much. And that the squadron leader never asked people to not show the video to outsiders.
My friend is not in military, but in oil and gas industry.
I don't know what consequences the squadron leader faced. But I still see that video on the internet, as whatever goes on the internet, stays there forever.
Morale of the story is that servicemen should not post sensitive material on Watts app groups in the first place.

Hi,

This is an " Execution by a firing squad " kind of offence against the officer who made the video and who leaked the video---.

What a shame and what a disgrace that a Sqdrn Ldr ranked officer did something like that---.

Servicemen and especially cadets may not know what is truly considered sensitive. We need some kind of filter (preferable a human filter) on all communications that requires posts to be vetted before they are allowed to go out.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2015/8/21/9189591/air-force-loose-tweets-destroy-fleets-slogan



Would love to see an intercept with a Sniper Pod, although if they can do an ID with a sniper pod they would not have to get this close if this was an actual intercept and not a salute to the air chief.

Hi,

What kind of bullcrap comment is that---.

You don't need to be a cadet or anybody to know the basics of secrecy.

It is a moral issue---it is about the 'code of conduct'---. I guess no one teaches that in the house to their children and neither do the schools teach them---.
 
Hi,

This is an " Execution by a firing squad " kind of offence against the officer who made the video and who leaked the video---.

What a shame and what a disgrace that a Sqdrn Ldr ranked officer did something like that---.



Hi,

What kind of bullcrap comment is that---.

You don't need to be a cadet or anybody to know the basics of secrecy.

It is a moral issue---it is about the 'code of conduct'---. I guess no one teaches that in the house to their children and neither do the schools teach them---.

There are things that are obviously secret and there are things that may not be apparent to everyone, even to a trained soldier. Hence why I said “truly considered sensitive”, by which I meant, they may not know everything that is considered sensitive.

In the US military they are banning Tik Tok because not only the videos might reveal sensitive information but the geo locations that maybe embedded in the videos. In the Israeli military they don’t reveal the faces of pilots presumably for fear of assassins.


The basics of secrecy are no longer enough, hence the need for human filters to review content or a blanket ban on such content.
 
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