Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SABRE]

"Support Taiwan"? LOL you want to make them sacrificial goat against China

Where did I say "support Taiwan"?

 

[Blacklight]

Why are people so confused over CSF & FMS?

CSF is when the "US" pays us in cash, or goods for services rendered.

FMS is when "WE" pay cash.

 

[Bil]

Nightmare for India, US to equip Pakistan Air Force F - 16 fighter jet fleet with advanced Sniper Pods and LANTIRN system

ISLAMABAD - The United States Department of Defense (DOD) has approved an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for Pakistani F-16s. The contract has been awarded to Lockheed Martin.

The contract involves Foreign Military Sales (FMS) for Sniper, Infrared Search and Track (IRST), and Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night (LANTIRN) navigation pod (fixed wing) hardware production

This contract provides the necessary resources required for the management, fabrication, upgrade/retrofit, integration support and testing and shipping of its non-developmental item (NDI) Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) System, NDI LANTIRN Fixed Image Navigation Set upgrades, and the NDI IRST system as it relates to the requirements document associated with each specific delivery order placed under this contract.

The work on the production will be performed in Orlando, Florida and it will be completed by May 2025.

The FMS is for US allies including Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Egypt, Greece, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Republic of Korea, Kuwait, Morocco, Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, Taiwan, Thailand, and Turkey.

https://timesofislamabad.com/21-May...-with-advanced-sniper-pods-and-lantirn-system

 

[Blacklight]

Nightmare for India, US to equip Pakistan Air Force F - 16 fighter jet fleet with advanced Sniper Pods and LANTIRN system

ISLAMABAD - The United States Department of Defense (DOD) has approved an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for Pakistani F-16s. The contract has been awarded to Lockheed Martin.

The contract involves Foreign Military Sales (FMS) for Sniper, Infrared Search and Track (IRST), and Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night (LANTIRN) navigation pod (fixed wing) hardware production

This contract provides the necessary resources required for the management, fabrication, upgrade/retrofit, integration support and testing and shipping of its non-developmental item (NDI) Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) System, NDI LANTIRN Fixed Image Navigation Set upgrades, and the NDI IRST system as it relates to the requirements document associated with each specific delivery order placed under this contract.

The work on the production will be performed in Orlando, Florida and it will be completed by May 2025.

The FMS is for US allies including Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Egypt, Greece, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Republic of Korea, Kuwait, Morocco, Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, Taiwan, Thailand, and Turkey.

https://timesofislamabad.com/21-May...-with-advanced-sniper-pods-and-lantirn-system

Times of Islamabad, is worse than a tabloid.

 

[cloud4000]

If im not mistaken, there are quite a few countries interested in the Block 70, its pretty much the best aircraft you can get before the f-35, i dont think the Pods are a big thing, until CSF and FMF are reinstated, we wont be purchasing anything

CSF must be settled before any serious talk of new or used F-16s coming to PAF. I’ve heard Pakistan might be asking as much as $12 billion. The question is: how much will US give to Pakistan? Once the number is settled things should fall in place.

 

[KaiserX]

CSF must be settled before any serious talk of new or used F-16s coming to PAF. I’ve heard Pakistan might be asking as much as $12 billion. The question is: how much will US give to Pakistan? Once the number is settled things should fall in place.

F-16s are obsolete for us at this point. By the time any deal is signed and we receive the 16s we are looking at an 6-8 year timeframe. F-16 is only an obsession of fanboys, the real beast with be Project AZM which will make the 16 look like a baby quite literally.

 

[Akh1112]

CSF must be settled before any serious talk of new or used F-16s coming to PAF. I’ve heard Pakistan might be asking as much as $12 billion. The question is: how much will US give to Pakistan? Once the number is settled things should fall in place.

Got any source? $12Bn of CSF would be close to like 100+ fighters, that would be very, very, very unlikely

F-16s are obsolete for us at this point. By the time any deal is signed and we receive the 16s we are looking at an 6-8 year timeframe. F-16 is only an obsession of fanboys, the real beast with be Project AZM which will make the 16 look like a baby quite literally.

This is factually incorrect, the F-16 block 72 will be the finest fighter in the subcontinent until whatever comes of AZM, the F-16 is FAR from outdated and is a very worthy opponent

 

[KaiserX]

Got any source? $12Bn of CSF would be close to like 100+ fighters, that would be very, very, very unlikely



This is factually incorrect, the F-16 block 72 will be the finest fighter in the subcontinent until whatever comes of AZM, the F-16 is FAR from outdated and is a very worthy opponent

Far from outdated? what a joke. Why is no nation ordering the block 72 then and instead focusing on the F-35? thank God PAF isnt so shortsighted. We have seen how far weve lagged behind in the early 2000's due to reliance on the 16. By the time we get our first batch 5+ years would have past and project azm would be ready. Why spend billions on foreign obsolete aircrafts when we can produce something ourselves that rivals the F-35 and can take out the 16 anytime.

 

[Akh1112]

Far from outdated? what a joke. Why is no nation ordering the block 72 then and instead focusing on the F-35? thank God PAF isnt so shortsighted. We have seen how far weve lagged behind in the early 2000's due to reliance on the 16. By the time we get our first batch 5+ years would have past and project azm would be ready. Why spend billions on foreign obsolete aircrafts when we can produce something ourselves that rivals the F-35 and can take out the 16 anytime.

Dont be illogical, there are a handful of nations who are ordering the F-16 Block 70/72. If you think AZM will be ready in 5 years, you are in for disappointment. Pakistan, a nation with very little domestic R+D, a very little defense budget, a very little infrastructure for the design of advanced systems and aircraft, a country who's only domestic fighter design experience was co manufacturing and rebuild of already designed aircraft will have designed a successful FGFA before countries with easier access to advanced subsystems, i.e Turkey, Russia even. By your logic we should trash the JF-17 program too and focus all of our assets onto AZM. The F-16 Block 72 is one of the most advanced 4th generation platforms, if not, THE most advanced 4th gen platform. If you think its obsolete id love to hear what your standards are for a modern aircraft.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Far from outdated? what a joke. Why is no nation ordering the block 72 then and instead focusing on the F-35? thank God PAF isnt so shortsighted. We have seen how far weve lagged behind in the early 2000's due to reliance on the 16. By the time we get our first batch 5+ years would have past and project azm would be ready. Why spend billions on foreign obsolete aircrafts when we can produce something ourselves that rivals the F-35 and can take out the 16 anytime.

5 + project azm readyz wakeup bro in year even design will not be finalized, it will dacade or dacade and half (10-15) year to fly prototype, production is next step

 

[mingle]

Dont be illogical, there are a handful of nations who are ordering the F-16 Block 70/72. If you think AZM will be ready in 5 years, you are in for disappointment. Pakistan, a nation with very little domestic R+D, a very little defense budget, a very little infrastructure for the design of advanced systems and aircraft, a country who's only domestic fighter design experience was co manufacturing and rebuild of already designed aircraft will have designed a successful FGFA before countries with easier access to advanced subsystems, i.e Turkey, Russia even. By your logic we should trash the JF-17 program too and focus all of our assets onto AZM. The F-16 Block 72 is one of the most advanced 4th generation platforms, if not, THE most advanced 4th gen platform. If you think its obsolete id love to hear what your standards are for a modern aircraft.

Till 5th Gen Blk70 along blk 3 is best way farward for PAF.

 

[Trango Towers]

I used to own a F-16 pillow, mom crafted it for me some years ago, Used to sleep with it all night.

All night hey.
No wonder your wife left you loooool

 

[StormBreaker]

All night hey.
No wonder your wife left you loooool

konsi wife ? Kab wife ?

 

[KaiserX]

Yeah keep dreaming of the F-16s and then that dream bites reality. 20 years all talk for only 18 new jets. Project AZM is def not going to take PAF 15 years. Design work has been going on since 2015.

Dont underestimate the Pakistani nation and its scientist/engineers. We built nukes within a decade of deciding, we built a top notch 4th generation fighter in a decade as well, and you think it will take 20 years to build a 5th generation jet ?

 

[Akh1112]

Till 5th Gen Blk70 along blk 3 is best way farward for PAF.

A mix of JF-17 block III's alongside some Viper's is the best thing for PAF ye