Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[IceCold]

F-16s with an undisputed telly of 71 air-air kills without any single loss is enough
to give him the tittle of an absolute dogfighter(already have been recognized as best MRA)
so after this you would still consider J-10 a much more effective aircraft as compare to F-16

Read my post again and dont put words into my mouth, F-16 maybe the best dog fighter in the world, i haven't disputed that, my whole point is that the days for a typical dog fight are over and modern combat depends upon BVR. First look first kill.
So if a J-10 has a first lock on the F-16, J-10 has an advantage. Situational awareness and finding out your enemy first is what will be a game changer.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

We need to understand that if we have another compatible aircraft like the fc 20 in our air force---there will be no sanctions and no problems with the deliveriers of F16's.

The reason for the original sanctions was containment and punishment---.

I mean to say if we can go next door and get the same item for a similiar price and no strings attached---where is the punishment.

 

[Kompromat]

Hello

I am glad to see the healthy Discussions of F16's .

Members please advice , our old fleet of F16 A/B is going to get MLU( upgraded to block 52 standard)
Correct me if i am wrong , i want to know whether there would be any significant Airframe changes taking place in the MLU ?
If so i am looking forward for our f16's to be more capable.

JF17 must have an AESA radar western Avionics , Conformal fuel tanks , Airframe changes , power fulll engine maybe ws10 .
Thurst vactoring .

F16,JF17 ,FC20 is a lethal combination.

UAE is looking to buy Rafale , should we look into buy their Mirage 2000-9 ?
Or Turkish airforce's F16 block 50's?

Its a good option to fill our gap until we get a 5th gen fighter.

Another aspect can be Pakistan havin SAM's such as Sapada , S300 , or ask us to buy Patriot?
Regards:

 

[hassan1]

PAF F-16D BLOCK 52
http://img99.imageshack.us/i/f16d2.jpg/
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/f16d1.jpg/
http://img115.imageshack.us/i/000001244f4d34a705407c0.jpg/
http://img115.imageshack.us/i/000001244f4b99be902e048.jpg/

 

[owais.usmani]

Just found this AWESOME image of a block 52 and thought should share with you people:

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[raveolution]

PAF F-16 fleet will be upgraded to block 52 till 2011.



Now till 2011
62 Block 52 F-16
100 + JF-17
8 to 10 J-10B
80 Mirage ROSE
55 F-7PG

Enough to keep balance till 2011 against 150 MKI, 50 to 60 Mig 29 and 45 Mirage 2K.
Keeping in mind IAF threat from both PLAAF and PAF

Lol bro it seems that you didnt read my reply to your earlier post. Anyways to each his own. Appreciate it if u can read it and following comments from other members.

 

[Rank]

PAF F-16D BLOCK 52
http://img99.imageshack.us/i/f16d2.jpg/
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/f16d1.jpg/
http://img115.imageshack.us/i/000001244f4d34a705407c0.jpg/

I am pro Graphic Designer and these pictures are 101% fake photoshop. Pakistan Flag (FAKE)


Thanks

 

[qsaark]

I am pro Graphic Designer and these pictures are 101% fake photoshop. Pakistan Flag (FAKE)


Thanks

Referring to your post #216 where you have posted the video. The Plane has the flag on it. Are you suggesting that the the F-16 showed in the inaugural ceremony is also PSed?

 

[x_man]

PAF F-16 fleet will be upgraded to block 52 till 2011.



Now till 2011
62 Block 52 F-16
100 + JF-17
8 to 10 J-10B
80 Mirage ROSE
55 F-7PG

MZubair I can understand your enthusiasm but in real world the numbers will be quite low that you have projected here. By 2011, deliveries’ will be still going underway for Block 52 , MLU F-16s will still be under 10, PAF will still be sticking to existing fleeting of two squadrons of F-7 PGs and of course no J-10 by then. FC-20 has still a long way to go before we see them flying in PAF. Thunder will be operational at max in two squadrons by mid of 2011.

With block 52 the whole training regime in PAF will change. Until now we have been simulating LIMA Vs BVR, and when once we have the real thing i.e. AMRAAM, every PAF pilot will be trained against one of the best BVRs in the market. Although we still be having far less BVR capable aircrafts than IAF, but Block 52s will force IAF too to adopt anti-BVR countermeasures and hence a major change in their tactics against PAF. Similarly each PAF pilot will not only be in far better position to deploy his/her tactics against incoming IAF threat but also improve their chances to achieve a kill on the opponent.

Meanwhile the Induction of Block 52 and MLU are still going on, PAF should continue with Thunder, FC-20 and other projects with Chinese. Honeymoon period with USA can be over anytime soon and we don’t want to plummet into the same sanctions / embargo abyss once again. It’s about time that we learn from the past and move very cautiously in the future.

 

[sonicboom]

delteted the message

 

[Storm Force]

Great looking Plane. The F16. vipers.

PAF could do alot worse than obtain second hand F16s from USA Europe as western nations switch to F35 JSF over next 5-10 years.

Rather than just 60 planes PAF could easily double that number in 5 years.

There will be hundreds of F16 available soon for very low prices

 

[nightrider_saulat]

Hello

I am glad to see the healthy Discussions of F16's .

Members please advice , our old fleet of F16 A/B is going to get MLU( upgraded to block 52 standard)
Correct me if i am wrong , i want to know whether there would be any significant Airframe changes taking place in the MLU ?
If so i am looking forward for our f16's to be more capable.

JF17 must have an AESA radar western Avionics , Conformal fuel tanks , Airframe changes , power fulll engine maybe ws10 .
Thurst vactoring .

F16,JF17 ,FC20 is a lethal combination.

UAE is looking to buy Rafale , should we look into buy their Mirage 2000-9 ?
Or Turkish airforce's F16 block 50's?

Its a good option to fill our gap until we get a 5th gen fighter.

Another aspect can be Pakistan havin SAM's such as Sapada , S300 , or ask us to buy Patriot?
Regards:

we already possessed MBDA SPADA 2000​

 

[nightrider_saulat]

Read my post again and dont put words into my mouth, F-16 maybe the best dog fighter in the world, i haven't disputed that, my whole point is that the days for a typical dog fight are over and modern combat depends upon BVR. First look first kill.
So if a J-10 has a first lock on the F-16, J-10 has an advantage. Situational awareness and finding out your enemy first is what will be a game changer.

sie with all respect i think it will be really foolish decesion. J10 is going to come as a fighter that we can play with according to our desires whereas F16 always have lots of strings atatched. i agree with Sir TOPGUN that it wont be wise to look toward US for any future mlitary procurements.
what do you think?

chinese radars are nothing in front of american radars infact americans are ahead of chinese in every field of warfare
and plus our experience with F-16S meant alot
when it comes to select an absolute 4.5th generation aircraft​

 

[Student]

Hi,

We need to understand that if we have another compatible aircraft like the fc 20 in our air force---there will be no sanctions and no problems with the deliveriers of F16's.

The reason for the original sanctions was containment and punishment---.

I mean to say if we can go next door and get the same item for a similiar price and no strings attached---where is the punishment.

This is the very reason Pakistan got F-16 C&D in the first place.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

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