Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SSGcommandoPAK]

 

[Khafee]

Blk 72 not blk 70? Pak was purchasing 18 blk 52 around 1.7 billions so prices pretty much same even radar and tech improved?

Blk 70 = GE engine
F110-GE-129 = 29,000lb thrust
or
F110-GE-132 = 32,500lb thrust

Blk 72 = PW engine
F100-PW-229 = 29,000lb thrust

 

[Trailer23]

Blk 70 = GE engine
F110-GE-129 = 29,000lb thrust
or
F110-GE-132 = 32,500lb thrust

Blk 72 = PW engine
F100-PW-229 = 29,000lb thrust

Do we even have any F-16's with GE Engines (including the Jordanian F-16's)? I was always under the impression that all of ours are Pratt & Whitney.

 

[Path-Finder]

Is it possible to get all Venezuelan F16? They are probably not flying them anymore!

 

[airomerix]

Is it possible to get all Venezuelan F16? They are probably not flying them anymore!

Not worth it. They are in a bad shape with russian parts.

Also will upset the Pentagon.

 

[ghazi768]

The recent standoff against IN has exposed the soft underbelly of our naval air power. We have no long range fighters to provide cover for our ASW assets. Thus in turn means IN submarines will have free reign over a vast area of the ocean, restricting movement of our surface assets. We need something like Su-35 today, and no this is not a fanboy wish list.

Second, Azm is nothing but a wish list. First of all, the entire program is structured in a vague manner with too broad a scope. Second, it is not obvious if PAF decision makers are following the latest advances in anti-stealth technology. Given a lack of R&D, how can PAF air marshals even know the efficacy of a given stealth design against modern radars? I have serious concerns that this project will deliver too little, too late, at too great an expense. Now if they restructure it so that we see small improvements coming out consistently and getting inducted into PAF, I would say we are safe.

what range, in miles or kms, you have in mind?

 

[CriticalThought]

what range, in miles or kms, you have in mind?

From Wikipedia you can see the following numbers. A package of 4 Su-35s can accompany a team of P-3 Orions and cover a wide area. The Flankers would provide top cover. If you throw air-to-air refuelling into the mix, a few packages would be enough to cover the entire Northern Arabian Sea.

Su-35

Performance

• Maximum speed:
  • At altitude: Mach 2.25 (2,400 km/h; 1,490 mph)
  • At sea level: Mach 1.13 (1,400 km/h; 870 mph)
• Range:
  • At altitude: 3,600 km (2,240 mi; 1,940 nmi)
  • At sea level: 1,580 km (980 mi; 850 nmi)
• Combat radius: around 1,600 km[179] (932 mi; 810 nmi)
• Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,800 mi; 2,430 nmi) with 2 external fuel tanks
• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)

P-3 Orion

Performance

• Maximum speed: 411 kn[1] (750 km/h)
• Cruise speed: 328 kn[1] (610 km/h)
• Range: 2,380 nmi radius[1] (4,400 km)
• Combat radius: 1,346 nmi[1] (2,490 km) three hours on-station at 1,500 feet
• Ferry range: 4,830 nmi[99] (8,944 km)
• Endurance: 16 hours[99]
• Service ceiling: 28,300 ft[1] (8,625 m)

 

[ghazi768]

From Wikipedia you can see the following numbers. A package of 4 Su-35s can accompany a team of P-3 Orions and cover a wide area. The Flankers would provide top cover. If you throw air-to-air refuelling into the mix, a few packages would be enough to cover the entire Northern Arabian Sea.

Su-35

Performance

• Maximum speed:
  • At altitude: Mach 2.25 (2,400 km/h; 1,490 mph)
  • At sea level: Mach 1.13 (1,400 km/h; 870 mph)
• Range:
  • At altitude: 3,600 km (2,240 mi; 1,940 nmi)
  • At sea level: 1,580 km (980 mi; 850 nmi)
• Combat radius: around 1,600 km[179] (932 mi; 810 nmi)
• Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,800 mi; 2,430 nmi) with 2 external fuel tanks
• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)

P-3 Orion

Performance

• Maximum speed: 411 kn[1] (750 km/h)
• Cruise speed: 328 kn[1] (610 km/h)
• Range: 2,380 nmi radius[1] (4,400 km)
• Combat radius: 1,346 nmi[1] (2,490 km) three hours on-station at 1,500 feet
• Ferry range: 4,830 nmi[99] (8,944 km)
• Endurance: 16 hours[99]
• Service ceiling: 28,300 ft[1] (8,625 m)

Thanks, you still did not answer my question. In what you shared, Su-35 is having a 1600 km combat radius, is it the range you have in mind?

 

[CriticalThought]

Thanks, you still did not answer my question. In what you shared, Su-35 is having a 1600 km combat radius, is it the range you have in mind?

I don't get your question about 'what range you have in mind'?

 

[Raider 21]

Not worth it. They are in a bad shape with russian parts.

Also will upset the Pentagon.

They are flying them regularly with parts from Israel, mostly through the black market.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

That is too much crashes


F-16 and J-10C is cheaper than JF 17???


What is the price of Rafale?

those prices are old. That was the price of F16 in 1998.

 

[SQ8]

That is too much crashes


F-16 and J-10C is cheaper than JF 17???


What is the price of Rafale?

How is it too many crashes?
Do you have comparable data for a F-16 fleet undergoing similar flight hours?

 

[airomerix]

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They are flying them regularly with parts from Israel, mostly through the black market.

Paying through their nose to keep them up. All of things go wrong in black market support.

 

[Raider 21]

P

Paying through their nose to keep them up. All of things go wrong in black market support.

Definitely

 

[fatman17]

Industry

Lockheed Martin transfers F-16 production to South Carolina

Beth Stevenson, London - Jane's Defence Industry

24 April 2019

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Lockheed Martin has opened its new production facility for the F-16 Fighting Falcon in Greenville, South Carolina, with production of the Block 70 variant expected to begin at the site by the end of 2019.

Tooling and other equipment that was previously housed in the company’s Fort Worth, Texas facility has been transferred to the Greenville hangar that has been refurbished, and this site will now be the home of F-16 production.

“This is an exciting time as we celebrate another important milestone for the F-16: the world’s most successful, combat-proven fourth-generation fighter,” Michele Evans, executive vice-president of Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said.