Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Raider 21]

http://www.historyinorbit.com/these...&utm_medium=TYLER_HIO-Desk-US-T2-Disaster-3b1

That was a close call indeed. Unfortunately the Thunderbirds lost one of their own yesterday morning at Nellis AFB. Thunderbird 4 was killed in a training flight.

http://afthunderbirds.com/site/2018/04/04/thunderbirds-pilot-identified/

 

[Windjammer]

There are reports circulating that PAF is acquiring 18 Block-30 F-16s possibly from Denmark.
Not sure how would this work out since Trump administration earlier blocked the transfer of Jordanian F-16s to Pakistan. However, a PAF delegation did visit Danish F-16 facilities last year.

 

[Raider 21]

There are reports circulating that PAF is acquiring 18 Block-30 F-16s possibly from Denmark.
Not sure how would this work out since Trump administration earlier blocked the transfer of Jordanian F-16s to Pakistan. However, a PAF delegation did visit Danish F-16 facilities last year.

If only Denmark ever flew Block 30s....

 

[Maxpane]

Whats special in block 30?

 

[Shabi1]

If only Denmark ever flew Block 30s....

According to F-16.net, all Danish F-16s were ordered as Block-15. Active fleet were put through a MLU update so they they should have gotten the F-16AM/BM designation. Regardless of in what configuration they currently are, if acquired then PAF will likely put them through a overhaul from Turkey and bring them upto the standards of rest of the fleet, so not bad.
Also Denmark has extensive F-16 maintenance and component manufacture expertise, even if aircraft not sold it is highly likely PAF delegation visited for transfer of facilities and services.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article3.html

Modifications & Armament
Identification Light
All Danish F-16s are equipped with a search light, mounted on the port forward fuselage, in front of and just beneath the canopy. The search light is used for identification during nighttime interceptions, and uses a 450W light bulb. This modification is the same as the light on Norwegian F-16s, and similar to the ADF's. The RDAF already installed this searchlight during initial production.


All Danish AF F-16s are equiped with an Identification Spotlight on the port side of the cockpit, used to identify night-time intruders. [F-16.net photo]
Pylon Integrated Dispenser
The RDAF's F-16s have been given extra wiring to the no. 3 and 7 wing stations, in order to be able to accept the Pylon Integrated Dispenser Station. The PIDS is manufactured by Per Udsen Co. Aircraft Industry (Terma A/S since 1997) in Denmark, and is in fact a pylon equipped with chaff dispensers. Normal configuration is to carry a PIDS on either 3 or 7 station, and the Advanced Miniature Jamming System (AN/ALQ-10) on the opposite pylon. AMJS is a very powerful system comparable with the AN/ALQ-131 series, and is also built in Denmark.

The chaff dispenser used by the RDAF right now is the RR-170 with 30 chaff cartridges in each. After briefly considering the RR-180, the RDAF has ordered a new type called Cherming Chaff Block (CCB) from Cherming Ltd., England. The CCB is the same size as the RR-170 but carries 60 charges.

All chaff/flare/ECM activity is controlled by the (digital) Electronic Warfare Management System (EWMS) which is made by the Danish company Terma. The mechanical firing mechanism in the chaff/flare canisters have also been replaced by a digital one from Danish origin.

Reconnaissance Pods
Some Danish F-16s also have the capability of carrying the Red Baron Recce Pod. The Red Baron Pod has been replaced by the Modular Reconnaissance Pod (MRP), locally developed by Per Udsen Co. (now Terma). This pod has also been exported, amongst others to to Belgium.


Royal Danish AF F-16A in recce configuration, equiped with the Baron recce pod and the Pylon Integrated Dispenser System (PIDS) - a countermeasures dispenser in the outer wing pylons. [RDAF photo]
Mid-Life Update
The RDAF participates in the MLU program and has modified all of its remaining 61 F-16s in the Aalborg workshop.

Armament
The primary air-intercept weapon carried by RDAF F-16A/B's is the AIM-9L Sidewinder, but the RDAF plans to acquire the AIM-120 AMRAAM fire-and-forget air-to-air missile for its F-16s. It will also acquire the Hughes AGM-65G Maverick air-to-surface missile for ground attack missions, with the LAU-3, Mk 82 and Mk 84 also staying in service in the near future.

With the modernization of the Danish F-16s to MLU standards, also other weapon systems were introduced on the fleet. Besides the purchase of some LANTIRN pods, also LGB weapons were acquired consisting in GBU-12 and GBU-24 weapons. Denmark was the first of the four EPAF countries to purchase the GBU-31 JDAM for its F-16 fleet.


Danish F-16 at Karup AFB with weapons line-up [RDAF photo]
Avionics
Since Danish pilots found that the built-in clock/timer in the instrument stack was not ideal to use, a cheap digital quartz watch was fitted next to the HUD on all Danish F-16s.

Currently the aircraft are being upgraded with the LINK 16 advanced tactical data link, JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System), and an advanced EWMS (Electronic Warfare Management System)

 

[Windjammer]

If only Denmark ever flew Block 30s....

If one was to ignore the usual nitty gritty, Denmark has been an F-16 operator even longer than the PAF and operated one of the five or six European F-16 production facilities. RDAF F-16 are some of the best maintained models flying, with the arrivals of F-35s, it obviously wants to dispose off the Falcons, these frames ideally suit PAF requirements, but it all boils down to the mood swings on Capitol Hill.

 

[Raider 21]

If one was to ignore the usual nitty gritty, Denmark has been an F-16 operator even longer than the PAF and operated one of the five or six European F-16 production facilities. RDAF F-16 are some of the best maintained models flying, with the arrivals of F-35s, it obviously wants to dispose off the Falcons, these frames ideally suit PAF requirements, but it all boils down to the mood swings on Capitol Hill.

Yes but not Block 30s, they never operated C/D models. They started flying the Viper just 3 years before PAF started....all their Vipers became MLUs but certainly not Block 30s.

 

[khanasifm]

There are reports circulating that PAF is acquiring 18 Block-30 F-16s possibly from Denmark.
Not sure how would this work out since Trump administration earlier blocked the transfer of Jordanian F-16s to Pakistan. However, a PAF delegation did visit Danish F-16 facilities last year.

All Lt Col and Col and mixed forces branch plus international folks looks more like air war college course international visit so I do not think these pics are correct, as far as news who knows where rumors started

 

[Tps43]

All Lt Col and Col and mixed forces branch plus international folks looks more like air war college course international visit so I do not think these pics are correct, as far as news who knows where rumors started

See One AVM is there and majority of Crop is of Engg Branch.

 

[khanasifm]

See One AVM is there and majority of Crop is of Engg Branch.

Sirilankan a phlipeno/ Chinese ?? Avm may be Cmd of air war college ?

Army aviation Col, Punjab regiment Col ??

 

[Windjammer]

All Lt Col and Col and mixed forces branch plus international folks looks more like air war college course international visit so I do not think these pics are correct, as far as news who knows where rumors started

Apples and Oranges sir...... the news is of today, the pictures are from last year.
No connection to the current alleged situation.

 

[Imran Khan]

PAF looking for scrap

 

[Windjammer]

AMRAAMS on wingtips and under wing.

 

[BATMAN]

PAF should stay away from scrap.
I guess this one visit would have costed 1/2 of list price of jF-17.

 

[salman-1]

Well maintaned jets are like well maintained cars. What PAF has been replacing F-16s with are more scrap and useless and they are the F-7Ps the oldest jets having 2-300 hours of life left in them. Trust me replacing them would be like a great leap for that lucky squadron.