Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[fatman17]

I wonder ... if Pakistan did intend to pay in cash, and that fact was known to Congress, do you think they would've approved it? The F-16 sale and FMF were presented together, so there may have been an anticipation in Congress that without FMF, the F-16s would not go through. I think the debate in Congress over this issue was enough to dissuade the PAF from inking the contract. Doing so under such noise could've brought back memories of 1989 when Benazir Bhutto inked Peace Gate IV, just when noise about Pakistan's nuclear program began to surface.

No the Senator who blocked the deal was quoted as saying that please buy with your own funds and we won't object.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

No the Senator who blocked the deal was quoted as saying that please buy with your own funds and we won't object.

That's after they approved it though, but everyone knew it was tied to FMF anyways. My point is that if FMF was not a factor, who is to say they wouldn't have interfered anyways?

 

[fatman17]

That's after they approved it though, but everyone knew it was tied to FMF anyways. My point is that if FMF was not a factor, who is to say they wouldn't have interfered anyways?

FMF became a factor bcuz they felt that Pakistan was not doing enough v haqqani network and hence they withdrew the subsidy.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan is falling for F-16s bait, not again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/820164269950070784

 

[mingle]

I hope Pak will get them again via trump Go LM Go Very likely this time

 

[MastanKhan]

That's after they approved it though, but everyone knew it was tied to FMF anyways. My point is that if FMF was not a factor, who is to say they wouldn't have interfered anyways?

Hi,

They would have let the production begin and at the final phase just before delivery---put sanctions on delivery---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

One day this thread will close as we would have moved on to new platform

We have moved on from F16 deals

 

[untitled]

One day this thread will close as we would have moved on to new platform

We have moved on from F16 deals

Thread closed yes. But moved on to new platform no. That credit will most likely go to the Pakistan F16 Discussions 3 thread

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think proper bargining chip would be reverse of Ban on Pakistani companies introduced by Obama

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi,

They would have let the production begin and at the final phase just before delivery---put sanctions on delivery---.

Basically. If they were willing to sell us F-16s, the PAF would have bought a lot of used F-16C/Ds by now. Even Poland is now looking at used and upgraded F-16s (to replace the MiG-29s and Su-22s), Clearly, even the used birds have value and the PAF is not averse to procuring used F-16s (e.g. from Jordan). There's clearly a quiet block in the U.S. on conventional arms for territorial defence. Otherwise, used F-16s, OHPs, Chinooks, etc, would have happened by now.

 

[Raider 21]

 

[Windjammer]

A PAF Block-52D over it's home base, Shahbaz.

 

[JamD]

A PAF Block-52D over it's home base, Shahbaz.

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That seems photoshopped windy. Look at the cockpit.

 

[fatman17]

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

Jan 17, 2017 00:57 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff

Latest update [?]

PAF F-16As

Modernization program finishes with TAI deliveries.

January 17/17: Pakistan is hoping that a Donald Trump presidency may restart a plan to procure F-16 jets through a foreign military financial aid scheme. US Congress downed the plan last year following concerns by some lawmakers over Islamabad’s allegiances in regards to counter-terrorism operations in the region. It was decided that if Pakistan wanted the F-16s, they would have to pay for them out of their own pocket.

 

[Raider 21]