Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[soul hacker]

F-16 firing maverick

photo courtesy: Irtiza Ali

 

[SQ8]

Aren't their parts of the F-16 which even the TAI personnel do not have access to because of US restriction?

There would be, but these would be source codes for systems such as the AIM-120, advanced IFF modes.. etc
None that would disrupt flight, or usage of radar .. or the weapons systems.

One possible addition would be spoofing IFF within F-16's to not let them employ BVR weaponry against a target that is identified as friendly.. this may be embedded within code. But there is nothing to stop the employment of WVR weaponry or dumb bombs.

 

[Donatello]

There would be, but these would be source codes for systems such as the AIM-120, advanced IFF modes.. etc
None that would disrupt flight, or usage of radar .. or the weapons systems.

One possible addition would be spoofing IFF within F-16's to not let them employ BVR weaponry against a target that is identified as friendly.. this may be embedded within code. But there is nothing to stop the employment of WVR weaponry or dumb bombs.

So basically nothing that would restrict PAF F-16's ability against IAF?

 

[SQ8]

So basically nothing that would restrict PAF F-16's ability against IAF?

Vs the Indian Air Force.

NOTHING.

 

[ali shaan]

90% of the talk is on predictions no real news.

 

[fatman17]

90% of the talk is on predictions no real news.

what real news would you like sir!- only 2 posts and you know everything - stick around and learn first

 

[airomerix]

i will not go much outaa topic well PAF have BVR capability new BVR weapons air refulling capability new xhineese/US and sweaden AWACS J 10 deal...capability to land fighter jets like mirages on motorways...new F 16 blck 50/52 upgrading F 16 fighter engines locally in PAC and locallu upgrading F16 blck 30 with MLU.....
i suppose its enough for 5 years.
raad is also developed in this time uqaab uav falco UAV production......

F-16MLU's which PAF has procured are of Tape 3 which means they are roughly equal to Block 40/42s.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes but doesn't US have restrictions for PAF's F-16's on conducting offensive operations outside of Pakistani air space? Apparently that was one of the major pre-conditions before procurement. The F-16's they sold to Pakistan are laden with sealed off systems and tracking devices which most likely reveal the position of the aircraft to I suppose Lockheed Martin or USAF.




Aren't their parts of the F-16 which even the TAI personnel do not have access to because of US restriction?

Hi,

Pakistan and china would have similiar stuff put on the JF 17 sold to a 3rd nation---it is nothing new---it is a standard practise---.

The F 16 is not made by united states----it is made by a private entity----that private entity have all their reputation and integrity representative of this aircraft---.

THey sold this aircraft to pakistan and they expect pakistan air force to beat the bejesus out of the opponent with this weapons system----if anybody thinks otherwise----they got issues.

American car manufacturers use different vendors---general motors placed an order with toyota---their one condition was 6 % failure rate---when toyota presented the item in question they had in batch of 100 two packages---one small one large---the large package had 94 items and the small had 6 itmes---.

 

[umair86pk]

F-16MLU's which PAF has procured are of Tape 3 which means they are roughly equal to Block 40/42s.

they are not tape 3 they are customized version original MLU didn't had the APG-68V9 radar

 

[MZUBAIR]

How many f16 blk 15 PAF have upgraded to MLU ????

 

[fatman17]

How many f16 blk 15 PAF have upgraded to MLU ????

3 from US
6 from TAI
so far

 

[airomerix]

they are not tape 3 they are customized version original MLU didn't had the APG-68V9 radar

Tape 3 refers to the addition of various capabiltiies such as integration of Link 16, Integration of capability for GPS controlled weapons (GBU30/32), Introduction of Helmet Mounted/Cueing Sight (Not sure if PAF opted for this upgrade), Introduction of NVG compatible helmets.

The radars we are opting for are APG-68v5 not v9 for the MLU's. This is one of the things which makes it equal to Block 40.

 

[umair86pk]

they have the same avionics suite as our Block 52+

 

[SQ8]

Tape 3 refers to the addition of various capabiltiies such as integration of Link 16, Integration of capability for GPS controlled weapons (GBU30/32), Introduction of Helmet Mounted/Cueing Sight (Not sure if PAF opted for this upgrade), Introduction of NVG compatible helmets.

The radars we are opting for are APG-68v5 not v9 for the MLU's. This is one of the things which makes it equal to Block 40.

Incorrect, The APG-68 V(5) was the radar version that was introduced for the first Block-50's.. i.e .. It is the baseline for Block-50/52s. So at no point are the MLU's equal to Block-40's. The radar ordered/offered to Pakistan is the v(9). Which was the current model in production.
There is NO difference in radar capability for the PAF MLU jets vs the Block-52's.

The idea that the PAF ordered the V(5) is an impossibility since those sets, and even the chips on those sets are obsolete and out of production.(production for the V(5) model ended in 1996-7)
The Only possibility with the MLU kits would be a slight reduction in SAR resolution as compared to other export models since the same was done for Saudi Arabia for their purchase of the F-15E.
However that is not the case here as there is no degrade in capability in any of the PAF's radars for any reason.
This was authorized by congress only because they knew that India was ordered much more quantities of advanced equipment and so the introduction of these aircraft into the PAF would not give it any significant advantage over the IAF at any time.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Incorrect, The APG-68 V(5) was the radar version that was introduced for the first Block-50's.. i.e .. It is the baseline for Block-50/52s. So at no point are the MLU's equal to Block-40's. The radar ordered/offered to Pakistan is the v(9). Which was the current model in production.
There is NO difference in radar capability for the PAF MLU jets vs the Block-52's.

The idea that the PAF ordered the V(5) is an impossibility since those sets, and even the chips on those sets are obsolete and out of production.(production for the V(5) model ended in 1996-7)
The Only possibility with the MLU kits would be a slight reduction in SAR resolution as compared to other export models since the same was done for Saudi Arabia for their purchase of the F-15E.
However that is not the case here as there is no degrade in capability in any of the PAF's radars for any reason.
This was authorized by congress only because they knew that India was ordered much more quantities of advanced equipment and so the introduction of these aircraft into the PAF would not give it any significant advantage over the IAF at any time.

I have always wondered one thing. Pakistanis have claimed that their F16s will be MLUed they will become equivalent to blk52 and will become BVR capable. But has pakistan ordered BVR missiles for these new MLUed jets?