Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[DANGER-ZONE]

what a mess is this !
At one hand we have Director of LOCKHEED MARTIN visiting India to enquire why they were dropped from MMRCA contest and on the other hand our higher officials are negotiating with US and LHM personal for two dozen used and 18 new F-16s. Its has also been done for 14 old of USN but failed.

They throw us out like beggars after the end of negotiations. Does Pakistan still recognise its value or we are totally blind for Yankees stuff. ??
wasn't that enough to experience that happened in 90s. will you guys forget every thing if they again allowed for Falcon sale, how did they invade our sovereignty and daily they kill our people by drone attacks. ?

These Birds and military aid is a feeder for the shouting people of Pakistan. SUCK ON THAT. !

 

[epinephrine]

what a mess is this !
At one hand we have Director of LOCKHEED MARTIN visiting India to enquire why they were dropped from MMRCA contest and on the other hand our higher officials are negotiating with US and LHM personal for two dozen used and 18 new F-16s. Its has also been done for 14 old of USN but failed.

They throw us out like baggers after the end of negotiations. Does Pakistan still recognise its value or we are totally blind for Yankees stuff. ??
wasn't that enough to experience that happened in 90s. will you guys forget every thing if they again allowed for Falcon sale, how did they invade our sovereignty and daily they kill our people by drone attacks. ?

These Birds and military aid is a feeder for the shouting people of Pakistan. SUCK ON THAT. !

a lot is discussed about drones violating our sovereignty.but i think we never had any control in the FATA .that area was always called as "ilaka ghair".no pakistani ever dared to go to that area even before 9/11.FATA had always been a safe heaven for criminals.they called themselves to be a part of pakistan but never obeyed pakistani law.they had more affiliation with afghanistan then pakistan.no law enforcement agency could go to that area before 9/11.so where was our sovereignty for the past 60 years.now these people claim to be pakistani when drones r bombing them otherwise they never respected our constitution.never paid a peeny in taxes n always welcomed criminals from all over the world.

coming back to the topic.i think the PAF is trying to induct more F-16s just to have a mix force of more reliable US and chinese aircrafts.if we exclude F-16s from our inventory then our fleet will be consisting of only chinese aircraft keeping in view that the mirages will be phased out in near future.without F-16s we will be having only JF-17 n J-10.PAF wont be able to go for rafale n eurofighter due to budget issues.so F-16 is our only option left.

our politicians will always bend in front of US no matter they give us any military hardware or not.they are more interested in dollars.so our sovereignty will always be at stake no matter we receive the f-16s or not.so if we refuse to take these birds then" MUFT KAY CHITTAR PARAIN GAY OR MILNA BE KUCH NAHI"

 

[Arsalan]

what a mess is this !
At one hand we have Director of LOCKHEED MARTIN visiting India to enquire why they were dropped from MMRCA contest and on the other hand our higher officials are negotiating with US and LHM personal for two dozen used and 18 new F-16s. Its has also been done for 14 old of USN but failed.

They throw us out like baggers after the end of negotiations. Does Pakistan still recognise its value or we are totally blind for Yankees stuff. ??
wasn't that enough to experience that happened in 90s. will you guys forget every thing if they again allowed for Falcon sale, how did they invade our sovereignty and daily they kill our people by drone attacks. ?

These Birds and military aid is a feeder for the shouting people of Pakistan. SUCK ON THAT. !

very true. PAF opting for more US equipment and investing anything of the sanction prone platforms will be a blunder.
we have well tested the friendship of US in hard times and it have always let us down. this is the time that we realize he the US equipment are no good for us and will always bring bad to our defense forces.
now, specially with the J-10B around corners, the JFT Blk II underway and the J-20 promising completion by 2020, it will be nothing but criminally stupid to go for US F-16z!

regards!
Arsalan Aslam

 

[SQ8]

Perhaps if a less than stark view of the AS OF YET UNCONFIRMED negotiations is taken, then the procurement may very well be an adequate stop-gap measure for the PAF.
Upgraded F-16 AM/BM's from wherever can also be seen as "assembled" spare parts.
in case we are embargoed again, having these extra airframes will allow us to keep our two sq's of MLU's operating longer at acceptable flying hours.

 

[Patriot]

Buying F16 is the right decision - All of Pakistani members act we should work few years and develop JF-17 more and buy more JF-17 well you need cover for JF-17's too and with long range radars and armed with AIM120 these F16 will provide adequate protection to JF-17's which i think comes in 2nd tier category in PAF.I think if PAF Went to war with just JF-17's without F16 then JF17 will become more like target drones for SU30.Besides, other platform will take years to understand where as we have ground crews, pilots etc for F16.

 

[Imran Khan]

when kids see the pics of block-52 loaded with CFT- AMRAAM-SNIPER POD- JDAM- they say wah wah wah

when PAF dicide for more beauty they said shame shame shame hahahaaahaha
what a undecided nation we are .lolz let them come they are real teeth of PAF and 18 which we have are nothing atleast we have 35 or 50+ block-52 .

 

[Arsalan]

Buying F16 is the right decision - All of Pakistani members act we should work few years and develop JF-17 more and buy more JF-17 well you need cover for JF-17's too and with long range radars and armed with AIM120 these F16 will provide adequate protection to JF-17's which i think comes in 2nd tier category in PAF.I think if PAF Went to war with just JF-17's without F16 then JF17 will become more like target drones for SU30.Besides, other platform will take years to understand where as we have ground crews, pilots etc for F16.

heared about the J-10B! that what i take as a much more competent and respectful replacement of the F-16!
atleast these will be at our liberty to use as per requirement with no strings attached. we wont have to ground these in desperate times due to spare part shortages like the F-16z

well, hopefully, US wont agree to sell anymore and this will be great!

 

[Arsalan]

when kids see the pics of block-52 loaded with CFT- AMRAAM-SNIPER POD- JDAM- they say wah wah wah

when PAF dicide for more beauty they said shame shame shame hahahaaahaha
what a undecided nation we are .lolz let them come they are real teeth of PAF and 18 which we have are nothing atleast we have 35 or 50+ block-52 .

this poin is very true.
however, what do you suggest, wont the MLU F-16 be able to support the 18 Blk 52.

my point is only that we cannot risk more $$ of such a sanction prone aircraft.

 

[Luftwaffe]

This is Accumulation of the finest planes available to PAF for the last time.

PAF has kept in perspective all the development work going on with JF-17 and J-10B/FC-20 and it seems the only Jets that full fills all of the requirements are the current F-16s. The fleet expansion also signifies that in future PAF could upgrade to SABR AESA.

 

[epinephrine]

once US is out of afghanistan will we be able to get SABR AESA ?because this is not included in the present upgrades n in the latest jets we r getting

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Agreed that F-16 is the finest plane PAF have today and adding 18 more and a few more MLUs will strengthen our air force.
but remember we are out of money now a days, we might not be able to purchase even 18 new F-16s and if the they are coming under some military aid or half paid by US AID, then get ready to sacrifice a few more things.
On the other hand if we ever had money, then would you suggest to play gambling game or u like to invest these $$ somewhere secure. Investing on F-16 under current US-PAK relations would be a bad move.
They can kick us hard after any event but we cant even take revenge.

@ Imran Khan if i could remember, u were also shouting on PAF and on New Birds - 52, when US continued drone attacks after the raid. u people declared these birds as SITTING DUCKS. now these are "REAL TEETH OF PAF" . have u forgotten everything ?.
These teeth are like artificial teeth which can be pull out of the mouth after the usage. now u cannot bite anyone if your teeth are not in your hand.
Although this is senseless, but after knowing the real ownership of Shahbaz air base, reality of drone attack and lack in securing PAF Faisal Base, i would not like to be surprised any day by hearing, in case of any conflict, any PAF personal confirming that "WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE NEW F16 WITHOUT US PRIVILEGE"

 

[muse]

They are like addicts with these f16's -- Us say Pakistanis will sell their mothers for US$20.00 - others say that's an exaggeration.

Weapons platforms such as fighter jets have to be available for the use of the air force as directed by the government - with F16's, we are already in a bind - it is no doubt a potent weapon system, however, it is not under the total control of the air force or the Pakistan government - expensive to operate, we don't make any of the spare parts that need replacing or servicing after take off and landing - and relations with the US can only improve if Pakistan accepts the diktat of the US == and this simply won't work -- Pakistan play a curious game with the US and they return the favor, but Pakistan play that game because US and Pakistan have divergent interests and these interest will diverge even more in the near future - why would anyone suggest that Pakistan become even more of a hostage to the foreign policy or internal politics of the US?? It's really quite strange of suggestion that we spend more of our limited funds to acquire a weapon system which is not reliable.

 

[araz]

heared about the J-10B! that what i take as a much more competent and respectful replacement of the F-16!
atleast these will be at our liberty to use as per requirement with no strings attached. we wont have to ground these in desperate times due to spare part shortages like the F-16z

well, hopefully, US wont agree to sell anymore and this will be great!

Arsalan
There was a piece of news in the papers a few months ago quoting the ACM as having said that the J10 B has been shelved for the moment. If you assume this to be truethen you have to look for an interim arrangement . Now with 18 Bl 52 you dont have much to show against hte high end of IAF. Also from the pure embargo point of view, paradoxically PAF has ensured that it has a good mix of local Chinese and US inventory. Even if the US embargoes us in a war scenario, we have a much better chance of at least keeping a fair number of our fighters in air.
If you exclude the US , and think of a third option, what do you end up with which is not an economic suicide for the country? I understand theconcerns that every one has but please understand that we are in a tight situation due to long mismanagement of our many internal and external problems, the economy being at the fore front!! So much asI would like to move on from the f16 era, I am afraid it may not be possible this side of the 2020. We need a credible defence till that time.
Araz

 

[muse]

! So much asI would like to move on from the f16 era, I am afraid it may not be possible this side of the 2020. We need a credible defence till that time.
Araz

So, in your estimation Pakistan policy makers will not be able to get a handle on Extremism 00 after all, other than the extremists, whom do we seek conflict with ?? And if we are not seeking conflict with any other than terrorism and terrorists, why exactly....?

The Indian is pinning his hopes on US investment in his economy and neither US nor India want to see that investment up in flames -- so I'm not quite sure why we need to spend this money and make ourselves hostage in this 8 year period till 2020? Perhaps you will elaborate on your thinking

 

[unicorn]

PAf have made the right choice by going after additional 18.Only concern now remains in mind is the delivery dates of these AC.That will give us the idea how things will proceed in the future.