Pakistan expresses 'deep concern' over escalating US-Iran tensions

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

So, basically, Pakistan just found out the context of all the recent Arab cajoling and pressure. Middle eastern boundaries may not remain same as escalation picks up pace...

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

How?

There are three protagonists in this conflict... Israel, Iran and Saudis everything else is a chip on the table... Iranians seek to connect their areas of influence all the way to Lebanon through Syria and Iraq... you can connect the dots for the other two players... as who will do what now is up in the air...

 

[graphican]

You do not get it or you do not want to get it?

India has been lobbying for a war with Pakistan internally and internationally for over half a decade now. This led the Prime Minister of Pakistan going to the UN and actually saying Pakistan reserves the right to use whatever the capacity is to deter Indian hegemonic Nazi ideology.

The so called Limited War and the Cold Start Doctrine.

India will have to attack Pakistan as civil war rages on between RSS Nazis and Socialists and Marxists and others in the biggest democracy of the world. It has been selling Pakistan as a boogeyman for ages now.

Sorry I missed what you are trying to emphasize.

To make my point more clear; we know India is an enemy state, India attacks Pakistan using all means possible from Eastern as well as the Western border and does lobbies against Paksitan wherever it can.

In the past, India had leverage over Pakistan through its terrorist proxies operating in Karachi, Baluchistan and FATA. Not anymore. The only left opportunity it has to distress us from the hind border is now in Afghanistan and India can use Afghanistan because of American presence/approval/shelter. If Pakistan helps USA leave Afghanistan using all means possible, Indian influence in Afghanistan will dry out. You may disagree with this aspect but let us know if this what you mean?

Now once Pakistan's back-border is secure, every future skirmish with India will be easier for Pakistan. That is my thesis - and to achieve such a security situation Paksitan must first act in Afghanistan and secure it using all means possible. That is the first step I suggest Pakistan take.

 

[El Sidd]

Sorry I missed what you are trying to emphasize.

To make my point more clear; we know India is an enemy state, India attacks Pakistan using all means possible from Eastern as well as the Western border and does lobbies against Paksitan wherever it can.

In the past, India had leverage over Pakistan through its terrorist proxies operating in Karachi, Baluchistan and FATA. Not anymore. The only left opportunity it has to distress us from the hind border is now in Afghanistan and India can use Afghanistan because of American presence/approval/shelter. If Pakistan helps USA leave Afghanistan using all means possible, Indian influence in Afghanistan will dry out. You may disagree with this aspect but let us know if this what you mean?

Now once Pakistan's back-border is secure, every future skirmish with India will be easier for Pakistan. That is my thesis - and to achieve such a security situation Paksitan must first act in Afghanistan and secure it using all means possible. That is the first step I suggest Pakistan take.

Its fantasy talk that US will leave Afghanistan and handover Afghanistan to Pakistan on a plate.

Afghanistan politics is hooked on Indian money with a role of containing China.

Its not as simple as you guys imagine it to be

 

[graphican]

Its fantasy talk that US will leave Afghanistan and handover Afghanistan to Pakistan on a plate.

Afghanistan politics is hooked on Indian money with a role of containing China.

Its not as simple as you guys imagine it to be

Sir consider these points.

• Today USA is at its weakest point in Afghanistan requesting talks/ceasefire while Taliban insist on fighting.
• After USA killed Irani general, you've got additional pawns on your side.
• China (and Russia) wnat USA out of this region because legitimate reasons. Their active and passive support is in your hand.
• War with India won't be easy, the war against American backed TTP/BLA terrorists haven't been easier and will not be easy to remove USA from Afghanistan. But - you got to do what you go to do.

The alternate scenario of not attending Afghanistan will make India continue its games from there. In that case, Paksitan will face the same Indian challenge on the Eastern border and an additional one from the west. This is what has been happening in the last 20 years. Its time we put a full-stop to this two-front war for us.

 

[El Sidd]

Sir consider these points.

• Today USA is at its weakest point in Afghanistan requesting talks/ceasefire while Taliban insist on fighting.
• After USA killed Irani general, you've got additional pawns on your side.
• China (and Russia) wnat USA out of this region because legitimate reasons. Their active and passive support is in your hand.
• War with India won't be easy, the war against American backed TTP/BLA terrorists haven't been easier and will not be easy to remove USA from Afghanistan. But - you got to do what you go to do.

The alternate scenario of not attention Afghanistan will make India continue its games from there. In that case Paksitan will face the same Indian challenge on the Eastern border and an additional one from the west. This is what has been happening in the last 20 years. Its time we put a full-stop to this two-front war.

Pakistan will not be drawn into Afghanistan.

None of the countries you mentioned are talking about Afghanistan as one singular country that you see on a globe.

Its winter. Come back in Spring and your opinion may change again.

There are no quick solutions to Afghanistan. The last proposed has been going on for 20 years. The one you are proposing will last 20 years as well.

 

[graphican]

Pakistan will not be drawn into Afghanistan.

None of the countries you mentioned are talking about Afghanistan as one singular country that you see on a globe.

Its winter. Come back in Spring and your opinion may change again.

There are no quick solutions to Afghanistan. The last proposed has been going on for 20 years. The one you are proposing will last 20 years as well.

Afghanistan is what Afghanistan has been a country that loves wars within or without. We don't intend to change their DNA but make it non-hostile enough to focus next 20 years towards the east.

 

[Crusher]

Pakistan should stay quiet altogether on this. Our "expression of neutral concern" will do nothing. NOTHING. Whatever wheels are now in motion will turn with or without such attention seeking expressions of concern.

Let the belligerents all fight it out amongst themselves.

Just quietly maintain high military alert in case anyone tries anything funny (e.g. Iran or its proxies misdirecting its rage against Pakistani shipping or even mainland Pakistan, India taking advantage etc).


Sir, sometimes I wonder if we are not in fact the same person.

I also don't like Pakistan overtly poking its nose in the conflicts of Iran and its neighbors in the middle east, Pakistan should just observe and let the nature take its course.

 

[El Sidd]

Afghanistan is what Afghanistan has been a country that loves wars within or without. We don't intend to change their DNA but make it non-hostile enough to focus next 20 years towards the east.

The moves that you have imagined do not present as an option on the chessboard.

You must wait

 

[Crusher]

reading some of the comments above, staying silent may work at the beginning but ultimately it will affect Pakistan! iran borders us! Any fallout will affect the region and it will include Pakistan!

Its time to make amendments in alliances.

Iranian "Balochistan" (the land of Balochs not persians or iranians) borders Pakistan, no proper farsi speaking indigenous iranian land borders Pakistan directly. And for your information there are huge deserts called Dashte-e-kavir and Dasht-e-Lut between Balochistan and the most populous regions of western Iran, so even Balchoistan also have no direct persian/iranian speaking neighbors. See here in the map of Iran

And these deserts look like this on the ground. (Iran is indeed one of Pakistan's neighbors but 95% of its people are living no where near the border with Pakistan because of these huge deserts)

 

[The Accountant]

reading some of the comments above, staying silent may work at the beginning but ultimately it will affect Pakistan! iran borders us! Any fallout will affect the region and it will include Pakistan!

Its time to make amendments in alliances.

No its not the time. Its time to save yourselve from the burning middle east so that you can love to fight another day. No one can save middle east from destruction except the almighty as they are hell bent upon killing each other whereas our neighbours are waiting for the opoortunity. One wrong move that can be used to turn international community against us and they will all be coming over us.

It is time to show restrain. Infact we have nothing to do with US and Iran conflict. The real test of our foreign office and deep state will starts when iran and saudia attack each other and it is happening soon. How the hell we will save ourselves is yet to be seen. But as of now with lkmited space to manuver thanks to economic terrorisim we are doing well between ksa and iran. Time will come when we might have to ditch both of the country but when and how is really tough

 

[Path-Finder]

No its not the time. Its time to save yourselve from the burning middle east so that you can love to fight another day. No one can save middle east from destruction except the almighty as they are hell bent upon killing each other whereas our neighbours are waiting for the opoortunity. One wrong move that can be used to turn international community against us and they will all be coming over us.

It is time to show restrain. Infact we have nothing to do with US and Iran conflict. The real test of our foreign office and deep state will starts when iran and saudia attack each other and it is happening soon. How the hell we will save ourselves is yet to be seen. But as of now with lkmited space to manuver thanks to economic terrorisim we are doing well between ksa and iran. Time will come when we might have to ditch both of the country but when and how is really tough

how long do you think you can keep being a sheep? ultimately it will be your turn. As the ancients used to say better to live like a lion for a day than be a sheep for 500 years.

Iranian "Balochistan" (the land of Balochs not persians or iranians) borders us, no proper farsi speaking indigenous iranian land borders Pakistan directly. And for your information there are huge deserts called Dashte-e-kavir and Dasht-e-Lut between Balochistan and the most populous regions of western Iran, so even Balchoistan also have no direct persian/iranian speaking neighbors. See here in the map of Iran

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And these deserts look like this on the ground. (Iran is indeed our neighbor but 95% of its people are living no where near the border with Pakistan because of these huge deserts)

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Is it a international border with Iran or not?

 

[The Accountant]

how long do you think you can keep being a sheep? ultimately it will be your turn. As the ancients used to say better to live like a lion for a day than be a sheep for 500 years.

The time till we start making our own weapons and we are not dependant on loans and aid for running our country.

Most of the current battles are being fought on economic front and on media. USSR did not lost militarily. They lost economically. We are loosing on that front frist. Developed a miltary industrial complex like china and turkey and only then we can play lion. Till then its better to keep quite and keep gathering thw ammunition

 

[Path-Finder]

The time till we start making our own weapons and we are not dependant on loans and aid for running our country.

Most of the current battles are being fought on economic front and on media. USSR did not lost militarily. They lost economically. We are loosing on that front frist. Developed a miltary industrial complex like china and turkey and only then we can play lion. Till then its better to keep quite and keep gathering thw ammunition

That is what we have been doing! improving the military and acquiring better capability! Now this notion of sitting quietly is a bizarre one. sit quietly until the mongols are inside the citadel. By then its too late. History will say when these people had the opportunity to do something for their nation they didn't!