Pakistan discusses Su-35, S-400, T-90 MBT purchase with Russia.

[Glockaholic]

Some big wigs from business ,stock market and real estate are rumored to put up 4 to 5 billion dollars for this purpose

 

[MastanKhan]

Your argument is flawed. Max altitude for Anza Mk2 is 4000m, if you are firing from a mountain the altitude above sea level is added to that. For eg for Kargil the altitude is 2,676 m above sea level so if a Anza 2 is fired from that type of location it will now have a max engagement altitude of 4000+2676 = 6676m. Apache ceiling is 6,400m but from web searches it rarely exceeds 2889m with combat load, LCH ceiling is 6500m but max tested for high altitude operation has been 15800/4815.84m. In reality neither numbers matter because what is quoted is usually under ideal conditions and minimal loadouts/reduced ranges.
However the real flashpoint is that Pakistan has between 4000-5500 MANPAD missiles (actual number is unknown) in it's inventory and that is a huge number. According to wikipedia Anza-1 & 2 production is 2650 (1000+2650) and Anza-3 is in production since 2012-13. And then there are the Stinger, Chinese and other EU procurements. Combine that with the number of AA guns which are in greater numbers than the MANPADs. Low-Mid altitude flight on Pakistan's north eastern borders will have very low survival rates in times of conflict.
Attack helos if a conflict breaks out will likely be kept within own borders from both sides, else its almost suicide.


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Anza Mk-II - A third generation MANPADS,[25] believed to be based on the Chinese QW-1 MANPADS.[26] Uses a dual-band, cross-scan infra-red homing seeker to counter decoy flares.[27] Also believed to use American missile technology.[28] Approximately 1650 Anza Mk-II were produced between 1994-2012.[29]

• Anza Mk-III - Believed to be based on the Chinese QW-2 MANPADS,[30] modifications made to meet Pakistan Army requirements include increased range up to 5 km, improved sensors and a new firing unit similar to the Russian 9K38 Igla MANPADS.[31][32]((non reliable sources)) All-aspect attack capability and improved ECCM capability.[10] It also has a vehicle-mounted launcher variant.

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Hi,

Please allow me to add something---. The manpads failed at Kargil against modern strike techniques after initial success---the laser guided smart bomb.

The aircraft does not need to come in the range of the manpad---it can launch its load from a distance---the glide bomb will do the job for the enemy---.

Now if the aircraft gets in the range of the manpad---it is a deadly system---.

 

[ziaulislam]

Face palm...we dont have the money ..even we have it would be wrong in wake of sn obsolete army navy and 1000s of poor Hungary people

 

[YeBeWarned]

Don’t think the Indian lobby is dead yet, but that depends on their own actions. In a way its good that India is now headed by an insane posse and not the sharp intellect of the past... they might just irk Russia off enough.

Sir , we know PAF shows some interest in Su35 few years ago, but that talks find a dead end, whatever the reason could be , do you have any information regarding reviving this whole su35 saga ? I highly doubt PAF would and have money to go for , but would like to know your thoughts .

 

[fitpOsitive]

It will come with a completely different set of inventory I guess. This transformation will cost alot of money...

 

[Maxpane]

Hi my friend don’t mind but I’ll appreciate if you post some credible link also
Beside this even if he agrees to Russia to supply us the latest AL series engine and don’t make
Any objections to Chinese J11 or j16 series that will be quiet a good deal to boost PAF credentials
Your input will be appreciated
Thank you

Sir am posting from news paper and i think these are the words of mod

 

[volatile]

like any business man Russia is seeing a defense decrease with India specially in AF which was dominant by Russian equipment but now things are changing ,Russia being the 2nd defence importer is looking for newer markets and China ,Pakistan , Malaysia ,Turkey and Middle East is potential markets ,the news of SU35 is old and it can be seen as putting pressure on India for latest MRCA deal or just looking to keep business volumes intact

 

[TOPGUN]

Unlikely to happen, considering present US- Russia, US-pak relations ..

You will be very shocked , just watch and see !!!!!

 

[jamal18]

As long as we can negotiate TOT that is fine , else forget it and lets start production with China on another plane.

If we can we should purchase US aircraft too as they are tried and tested and possess technologically advance and proven weapons systems which we are comfortable with.

I agree with the first part, not the second.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Its just like load shedding will be finish in 2018..!! dont give mini heart attack to indian's
Again rumors

 

[sohail.ishaque]

with these kind of rumors every 6 months and in 2 years time, the Indian will be 100% more darker then they already are

 

[Basel]

• PAKISTAN, WORLD

Pakistan in talks with Russia for procurement of sophisticated arms, says defence minister

Islamabad looking to purchase Su-35 jets, air defence systems and T-90 tanks from Moscow, says Khurram Dastgir
By NEWS DESK
Apr.07,2018


Defence Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has said that Pakistan is in direct talks with the Russian Federation for the procurement of sophisticated military hardware, including air defence systems, fighter jets and battle tanks, reported Sputnik.

The minister confirmed that Islamabad was interested in buying weapons from Moscow in an interview to the Russian news agency on Thursday, in which he also talked about increased cooperation with Kremlin which mirrors Pakistan’s wider geo-strategic concerns.

“Air defence system is a different kind of weapon we are interested. We are very much interested in a very wide range of the Russian weapons technology. We are in negotiations [on air defence systems] and once we conclude negotiations, we will be able to announce them,” Khan told the Russian publication.

The defence minister also outlined that Islamabad was interested in acquiring T-90 tanks from Moscow as part of a long-term deal rather than committing itself to a single purchase.

“We are interested in tanks T-90 and it is not going to be a one-time purchase but it is going to be a long-term commitment,” Khan stated.

He added that negotiations for the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighter jets are in their early stages, and an agreement in this regard may be reached “in the next few years”, according to the Russian website.

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Regional cooperation

Talking about security issues in South and Central Asia, the defence minister noted that both Pakistan and Russia were interested in a stable and democratic Afghanistan.

“We respect Afghanistan’s sovereignty. Stability in Afghanistan is important for Pakistan to be able to develop its own prosperous future, to access to the Russian market, for example, by land route. Democratic and stable Afghanistan is in the deep the interest of both Russia and Pakistan,” the minister stated.

He also lauded recent efforts by the Kremlin, which aim to bring stability to Afghanistan, highlighting the need for other global powers to devise a similar plan to defeat terrorism all over the world.

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“We are supporting the Russian regional approach to Afghanistan and we hope that not only Russia but also China, Iran and of course the United States can sit together at the table and devise a way in which we can achieve internal peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan,” Khan was quoted as saying by Sputnik.

The defence minister added that a new approach to solve the issues in Afghanistan by senior government leaders in Kabul was a positive step, which showed that the Afghan president was interested in ending the conflict, rather than winning the prolonged war.

“One positive step that has happened recently is a genuine approach by President Ghani when he had said that he no longer wants to win the war, but to end the conflict,” the minister remarked.

“To win the war was the American approach but now the Afghan approach is closer to Pakistan’s position on the matter. Pakistan’s highest priority regarding Afghanistan is to have a peaceful, democratic, and stable neighbor,” Khan underlined.

There has been a dramatic escalation in violence all over Afghanistan ever since US President Donald Trump took office in early 2017 and announced a new aggressive strategy for the region, putting Pakistan in the spotlight. Moscow has hosted a number of peace conferences on the issue in the past few months.

Bilateral relationship

Reiterating the expansion of bilateral ties between the two countries, Khan told the Russian news agency that Islamabad was looking forward to enhancing defence cooperation with Moscow in all areas, which include procurement of weapons, military training exercises and intelligence sharing.

“In the defense field, we signed a historical and unprecedented Pakistan-Russia defense agreement in 2014. As a result, we have been able to conduct joint exercises.”

“Pakistan has purchased Russian Mi-35 helicopters and now we are looking at a much wider range of defense cooperation. In terms of training, Pakistani officers are coming to Russia and Russian officers are going to Pakistani facilities for training,” he informed the reporters.

“We are also now discussing a wider range of military exercises, we are looking at a wider range of military equipment and intelligence sharing,” Khan said on the sidelines of the Moscow Conference on International Security (MCIS).

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Historically, Pakistan and Russia have been on the opposite side of the conflict in Afghanistan, but the former Cold War foes have now developed a mutual understanding on many international issues, according to Khan.

“Of course we have a history of the Afghan war in which we have been on opposite sides, but now as the second decade of the 21st century ends, we will be able to look at world realities with a different eye.”

“I am delighted to say that Pakistan and Russia are largely in agreement on major international issues like Afghanistan, fighting drug trafficking and the situation in the Middle East. We are now looking at almost all aspects of defense and there is excellent goodwill between our leadership,” he underlined.

The defence minister also expressed that Pakistan was grateful for Russian support in its bid for membership to the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, which it joined in 2017.

This article originally appeared on Sputnik News



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[Areesh]

This gives me a Deja Vu vibe since the previous Pakistani defence minister said pretty much the same thing in 2016:

Multiple ID rat is back @waz @The Eagle

 

[PakShaheen79]

BTW, how much 24 Su-35 will cost? If it is 2-3 billion USD then it is a worthy investment considering the capabilities enhancements. But I think, the actual cost of getting them would be perhaps double as we don't have any infrastructure to support Russian platforms and that additional cost will be a problem. How about if PAF takes smaller batch approach 6-8 plane per batch?

 

[TMA]

Just another rumor I believe !!!

As much as I would love to see 2-3 squadrons of su-35 for maritime/long strike role ...but it seems to be a far fetched thing

Pakistanis and Russian media are making a hodge podge of things ... there are statements/rumors about su-35 then t90 then s400 but in reality it wouldn't be that easy for Russia to sell these things to us ...besides are we at a stage where we can trust Russia because last time we end up buying 4 mi35s only just to have a feel how it goes with Russia. ...

Out of all the gadgets there are rumors about ...su35 seems most viable as China operates the same so even at some later stage even if russia dumps us we can get parts via China ... besides a common platform between plaaf and paf will serve a great purpose ...

But again whether paf would be willing to get these ...because somehow paf is obsessed with uncle sam n f16s ... no matter how old they get or come with strings attached still we have an undying love with them .. which speaks alot about how dumb a$$ we are ...

May be it's just a statement to make uncle sam loosen up towards us and let us buy more f16s which we are trying to ...

Personally I would love to see these su35 monsters in paf ...even if they are for 2-3 squadrons ... will seriously boost the capability of paf

Why are PAF obsessed with F16's? Aren't they a bit old? What is so special about an F16?