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Pakistan could have up to 250 nuclear warheads by 2025, says report | Janes

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Well, we need two type of Tsunami's.

  • Billion Tree Tsunami
  • Billion Nuclear Tsunami
Unfortunately in this world the only two things are appreciated. Ability to destroy and money. So says millions of dead Iraqi's, Syrians, Libyians, homeless Palestinians and under seige Iranians.
To quote Netanyahu "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.".Kudos bhai
 
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It does not cost much actually.

Maintenance and security does. Since we are in austerity drive. Why not just use them?

Any preferred targets in mind apart from declared ones?
to use them need very courageous leadership which we lack both at civil and military level.those who are at top posts and enjoying luxaries of life not want to die and risk their property and business by using nukes.they use it for bluffing .
 
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to use them need very courageous leadership which we lack both at civil and military level.those who are at top posts and enjoying luxaries of life not want to die and risk their property and business by using nukes.they use it for bluffing .

Thats not entirely true. Its a business of calculation.

Very little people know how the policy works for pakistani nukes and i am glad to have it remain like that.

But i can Tell you. When the time Comes. Not a blink will be wasted.

These articles are just usual lip service for particular audience for particular purpose.
 
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To quote Netanyahu "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.".Kudos bhai
The cost is not that great. The infrastructure which is costly is already in place. It's like say you set up a plant to make aircraft. The cost might be $ 1,000 million dollars to set it up. After that if you make one aircraft the price for that might be $10 million but including the fixed cost of the plant the aircraft would cost $1,000 million [plant cost] and $10 million making that plane priced at $1,010 million. But if you make 200 aircraft the price will be $1000/200 = $5 million plus $10 million manufacturing cost making each aircraft at only $15 million. This is what they call economies of scale.
 
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Pakistan should have the target of 350-450 nuclear warheads by 2030, with diversified delivery systems including MIRVed ballistic missile, longer-range SLCMs with nuclear capability, and may be even one or two submarines with nuclear propulsion.

Hopefully, we not just producing tons of small, tactical nukes. We need massive warheads....somewhere in the range of 500kt.
 
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Thats not entirely true. Its a business of calculation.

Very little people know how the policy works for pakistani nukes and i am glad to have it remain like that.

But i can Tell you. When the time Comes. Not a blink will be wasted.

These articles are just usual lip service for particular audience for particular purpose.
they will only be used at last resort when those top leadership and rich people who control our country are threatened and their life is affected but they are not used when ordinary public interest and life is harmed
 
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it is not right figure our economy cannot finance such nukes production

Once you have the design, nukes (and mil tech more generally) actually get cheaper per warhead...since you are just producing them rather than designing/investing into them.

Actual sustained fab costs aren't all that high. The long term "ramp" costs are mostly security, C4I and political pressure related....or of course if you want to research a new improved design continually etc....but that factored in only really for US and USSR (given the scale of their stockpiles to mitigate for worst case receiving first strike ).

More of the current design (10 - 20 kt or thereabouts) wont be expensive much....Pakistan spends way more on other military stuff.
 
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they will only be used at last resort when those top leadership and rich people who control our country are threatened and their life is affected but they are not used when ordinary public interest and life is harmed

That is just one side of the coin. Always remember war is a business worth plenty in an uncontrolled capitalist soceities.
 
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Hopefully, we not just producing tons of small, tactical nukes. We need massive warheads....somewhere in the range of 500kt.
On the contrary I hope they are making smaller ones. The smaller the better for tactical battlefield use. The reason is as we move forward defensive technology is improving and in time might end up with ability to interdict ballistic missiles. Or even more advances might enable countries like USA to pinpoint launch sites and take out Pakistani nukes. However if Pakistan has hundreds of smaller tactical warheads it becomes impossible to locate them all and even more impossible to prevent them being used.

their life is affected but they are not used when ordinary public interest and life is harmed
Sunshine, get used to that. Has nobody told you? The world is for the rich and powerful. In Pakistan, in Saudia Arabia, in China, in UK, in Europe in America and the world. The rich call the shots.
 
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On the contrary I hope they are making smaller ones. The smaller the better for tactical battlefield use. The reason is as we move forward defensive technology is improving and in time might end up with ability to interdict ballistic missiles. Or even more advances might enable countries like USA to pinpoint launch sites and take out Pakistani nukes. However if Pakistan has hundreds of smaller tactical warheads it becomes impossible to locate them all and even more impossible to prevent them being used.

Indus Sahab you are 10 years late on this.
 
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Yes sure.

You better look at what the experts say about it!!
Here Geoff Olynyk;

https://www.quora.com/How-lethal-ar...-there-is-a-strong-chance-of-a-nuclear-attack

His Twitter;
twitter https://ca.linkedin.com/in/olynykResearch papers;

His research papers
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=fHxRnzkAAAAJ&hl=en

Company profile
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/olynyk


writes about the power of Pakistan's weapons.



Geoff Olynyk
, Ph.D., Applied Plasma Physics and Fusion Energy, MIT, 2013
Updated Feb 18, 2013 · Author has 218 answers and 1.1m answer views


The short answer, of course, is very lethal, like all nuclear weapons. Read on for more details.

So according to the Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction article on Wikipedia, Pakistan possesses four delivery mechanisms for a nuclear attack in the area:

  • Medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM). Range, 2500 km. Estimated yield 300–500 kt (kilotons of TNT equivalent).
  • Nuclear-tipped Babur cruise missiles. Range, 700 km. Yield - ?
  • Nuclear bombs carried by fighter-bombers. Estimated yield up to 150 kt.
  • Cruise missiles carried by fighter-bombers. Warhead estimated yield 20–25 kt.

The fighter-bombers likely drop 150 kt bombs or launch cruise missiles with 20–25 kt warheads. The most powerful warheads in Pakistan's arsenal are estimated to have a yield 300–500 kt, delivered by the Ghauri-I MRBM:

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Ghauri medium-range ballistic missiles.

Note that this would be a very similar yield to the U.S.'s most advanced warhead, the 475 kt W88. (Although the Pakistani one is probably much heavier due to the less advanced technology, and thus you can't carry as many of them on a missile.)

As we start discussing the effects, keep in mind the pictures of the destruction in Hiroshima (the Little Boy bomb had a yield of 13 kt), and remember that a 500 kt weapon is nearly 40 times more powerful.

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Effects of a 13 kt air burst.

They are also apparently working on a sea-launched cruise missile (a naval variant of the Babur) and a smaller nuclear warhead that can be put on Pakistan's Chinese-made C-802 and C-803 anti-ship missiles, but these delivery mechanisms are not operational yet.

Taking the upper end of the estimated range of Pakistani warheads (500 kilotons) is convenient because the U.S. government published a bunch of graphs on the effects of a 500 kt blast in the report Nuclear Attack Environment Handbook (FEMA, August 1990). The graphics below are taken from here, which reproduces the FEMA book.

Here is an overview of the effects of a 500 kt surface burst:

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There is heavy damage (5 psi overpressure) out to a radius of about 2.2 miles.

If they are smarter about it and detonate it 1.1 miles in the air (see Geoff Olynyk's answer to Why doesn't the blast from a nuke take place on the ground?), the damage radius is larger:

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There is now heavy damage out to a radius of 3.2 miles. The government also helpfully calculated the winds produced by a 500 kt air burst:

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and a nice graph showing all the other fun effects (eardrums burst! serious glass wounds!) from a 500 kt air burst:

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Finally, here are the radii at which you get flash burns from the light (thermal radiation) from a 500 kt air burst, depending on how clear of a day it is:

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Okay, that's enough detail. To actually answer your question, the overpressure at which buildings fall and people die immediately is about 20 psi, but it's more likely than not that you'll die at the 5 psi level also, due to flying debris, you getting thrown about, fire, glass, etc. Even if you survive, your eardrums will explode and you'll probably die within a few hours anyway due to the burns.

So for a 500 kt weapon (upper estimate of Pakistani capability), with an air burst, that's a radius of 0.6 miles (1.0 km) for the 20 psi overpressure, or 3.2 miles (5.1 km) for the 5 psi overpressure. Note that's radius from the hypocenter (the point on the ground below where the warhead detonates).

But if you want a better chance of survival, just looking at the graphs above (I obviously have no personal experience with this), you'll want to be more like 6–7 miles (9–11 km) away from the hypocenter.

There is lots more discussion of the effects of a 500 kt airburst at this company trying to sell you a fallout shelter's website:

  • Impact lethality out to just over 4 miles.
  • Impact skull fracture and serious glass wounds out to 5 miles.
  • Impact injuries out to over 6 miles, with 50% probability of 3rd degree burns, if in clear line-of-sight at the instant of initial flash.
  • Skin lacerations from glass fragments out to almost 9 miles, with 50% probability of 1st degree burns, if in clear line-of-sight at instant of initial flash.

They say the "lethal radius" is 2.2 miles, which corresponds to the 10 psi overpressure curve.

You can put these radii on your city using the widget here.
Ground Zero | Carloslabs (Choose the Joe-4 400 kt weapon.)

Finally, I note that for the smaller Pakistani weapons (say, the 20 kt nuclear-tipped airplane-launched cruise missile), the 5- and 20-psi overpressure radii will obviously be smaller; about 35% as large in radius. You can get a sense of the destruction from such a weapon by looking at pictures of Nagasaki (the Fat Man had a yield of 21 kt).

Also, I love how Quora now thinks I'm some sort of expert on nuclear weapons because I've answered a few questions with links to Wikipedia. Every time I answer another one of these nuclear weapon questions on Quora, I'm more and more disgusted at humanity for building so many of them.

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If you cared to read the answer in its entirety :

1. The potential "bombs" will be much heavier as this expert says. How heavy? Well this heavy
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Being a boosted warhead, it will have a yield to weight relationship given by third line on this graph :

0.1 Kt per Kg.

so a 450 Kt bomb will weight 4500 KG. A 600 kt will being 6000 KG.

No Pakistani missile can carry this monstrosity --if it were to be ever built or tested.

There is a reason why all world power go for fusion based bombs. A deliverable fusion boosted fission bomb is simply not possible for the ranges you are talking about because to deliver it you will need airplanes making them useless for most of strategic purposes.

2. Pakistan simply does not have enough nuclear fuel to produce 100 of these tactically useless monstrosities. Refer to my earlier comment about amount of HEU available to Pakistan and requirement per weapon.

In the end, these untested designs are not deliverable and even if it works, Pakistan cannot deliver 100s of them as some of the forum members are all raving about.

Also, while you are at, care to instruct members here to keep the discussion civil. I can too very well use the choicest of words but I prefer to argue with facts and not jingoism.

@Iqbal Ali
Leave it man. Facts are beyond your ability.
 
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Facts are beyond your ability.

@Iqbal Ali is my favorite poster. Dont disrespect him like that. He is far more able and capable than you.

Now for the rest of the post. Keep guessing and doing numerical homework each day.

As i said. We have 1 nuke for India. Rest are for redefining world social order Post war.
 
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@Iqbal Ali is my favorite poster. Dont disrespect him like that. He is far more able and capable than you.

Now for the rest of the post. Keep guessing and doing numerical homework each day.

As i said. We have 1 nuke for India. Rest are for redefining world social order Post war.
You sir are no Retired Troll :lol:
 
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