Pakistan 'child wedding' halted

[DarkStar]

Police shouldn't investigate all underage sex, say chiefs

POLICE chiefs have called for new guidelines on underage sex to be introduced.

The Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (Acpos) believes cases of consensual sex involving under-16s should no longer be automatically referred for police investigations.

Tom Halpin, the Lothian and Borders Assistant Chief Constable and the Acpos spokesman on sexual offences, said some young people felt criminalised by the issue.

An Acpos spokesman said the organisation had made a submission to the Scottish Government on the issue.

The police chiefs believe investigations should take place only where there is evidence of exploitation, including bribery, threats and grooming, or where alcohol or other substances were involved.

Under the current arrangements, teachers, health and social workers and children's charities are obliged to tell the police if they become aware that an underage youngster has had sex and police then have to investigate.

Mr Halpin said: "We recognise young people make life choices which do include full sexual relationships with a partner at an age most people believe is too early.

"We don't seek to criminalise whole sections of society but we do seek to ensure they are protected from dangerous individuals."

 

[Always Neutral]

Police shouldn't investigate all underage sex, say chiefs

POLICE chiefs have called for new guidelines on underage sex to be introduced.

The Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (Acpos) believes cases of consensual sex involving under-16s should no longer be automatically referred for police investigations.

Tom Halpin, the Lothian and Borders Assistant Chief Constable and the Acpos spokesman on sexual offences, said some young people felt criminalised by the issue.

An Acpos spokesman said the organisation had made a submission to the Scottish Government on the issue.

The police chiefs believe investigations should take place only where there is evidence of exploitation, including bribery, threats and grooming, or where alcohol or other substances were involved.

Under the current arrangements, teachers, health and social workers and children's charities are obliged to tell the police if they become aware that an underage youngster has had sex and police then have to investigate.

Mr Halpin said: "We recognise young people make life choices which do include full sexual relationships with a partner at an age most people believe is too early.

"We don't seek to criminalise whole sections of society but we do seek to ensure they are protected from dangerous individuals."

Firstly its a proposal.

Secondly consensual sex means u have a CHOICE TO SAY NO AND YOUR PARENTS DONT ARRANGE IT TO SETTLE A FIGHT.

Regards

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

a girl cannot be married without her consent and you can't make decisions until you are mature and at the age of understanding, obviously after puberty.

 

[DarkStar]

Glad to hear that you are the first Pakistani I met who has never heard of honor killing.

Have a nice day and live in your ignorance in happiness.

Incase UK is a horrible place why do so many Pakistani come here legally and illegally.

for the money. u seem to have forgotten the colonial pillaging that you engaged in, destroying our economies. just because you live somewhere, doesn't mean you should condone the evils that may exist in that society.

The vast majority of Pakistanis abhor and condemn honour killings, and that can be seen on many a thread on this forum, where I have also expressed my opinions in this regard. If only people like you can allow for some introspection.

 

[DarkStar]

a girl cannot be married without her consent and you can't make decisions until you are mature and at the age of understanding, obviously after puberty.

you're right. Under Islamic law, the provision is that if there is any such marriage, teh girl or boy has the right to revoke it upon attaining adulthood. i.e. before it is consummated.

 

[Always Neutral]

a girl cannot be married without her consent and you can't make decisions until you are mature and at the age of understanding, obviously after puberty.

Make Mr. Darth Vader understand that. He feels child marriages will lead to a better and moral society unlike the evil Western society.

Regards

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

you're right. Under Islamic law, the provision is that if there is any such marriage, teh girl or boy has the right to revoke it upon attaining adulthood. i.e. before it is consummated.

so you weren't talking about child marriages, rather, child engagements, am I correct?

 

[DarkStar]

Firstly its a proposal.

Secondly consensual sex means u have a CHOICE TO SAY NO AND YOUR PARENTS DONT ARRANGE IT TO SETTLE A FIGHT.

Regards

So you're saying, it is ok for an eleven year old, to got out on a night in town, get pissed drunk and have sex with another teenager, end up becoming pregnant, or worse contract chlamydia?

But if a muslim parent decides to betroth their children with a religious ceremony conissting of signing a marriage contract, leading towards consummation of their marriage when they are much older, it is wrong? That too to help solve a family fued.

How can you seriously believe this?

I'd say those children are heroes, and those parents have foresight.

 

[Always Neutral]

So you're saying, it is ok for an eleven year old, to got out on a night in town, get pissed drunk and have sex with another teenager, end up becoming pregnant, or worse contract chlamydia? But if a muslim parent decides to betroth their children with a religious ceremony conissting of signing a marriage contract, leading towards consummation of their marriage when they are much older, it is wrong? That too to help solve a family fued. I'd say those children are heroes, and those parents have foresight.

How can you seriously believe this?

You mean to say that if you marry her at 7 she will still not go and do it at 11.

Regards

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Make Mr. Darth Vader understand that. He feels child marriages will lead to a better and moral society unlike the evil Western society.

Regards

well, AN, his fears aren't that strange, every parent here in the west fears for their child, praying that they don't fall prey to fornication. I've had parents come to me, begging me to talk to their children, since I'm about the same age and I can blend in. I can tell you, a lot of them have broken my heart and really let me down.

honor killings are probably more likely to happen in western countries, where youth are exposed to so much sex, rather than in Pakistan where inter-mingling is shunned.

I've talked to a lot of people here who have been engaged at birth, it's never binding, but strangely enough, people actually do marry their partners.

 

[Always Neutral]

I'd say those children are heroes, and those parents have foresight.

No sorry these parents are idiots and thats why they were arrested and the kids are unlucky to be born such idiots.

Regards

 

[DarkStar]

You mean to say that if you marry her at 7 she will still not go and do it at 11.

Regards

Sorry to inform you, but traditional child marriages have only been consummated once the bride has been "given" away. Fifty years ago the age would have been 14 plus, and nowadays around 16. AS it is, both children have the choice wether to go through with it when they are older, and there have been many instances when such marriages have been revoked for various reasons.

As for you darth vader comment. I'd suggest revisiting your nic Always Neutral, as you have definitely shown yourself NOT to be neutral on this thread.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

You mean to say that if you marry her at 7 she will still not go and do it at 11.

Regards

actually, AN, Aishah, the wife of the Prophet (SAWS) was already engaged to another man before him at her age. even when she married the Prophet (SAWS), she did not come into the house until much later.

besides, I personally know women who have gone through puberty at the age of 9. my grandmother herself married at the age of 15 and did not have children until she was 18, not like it matters.

consent is important in Islam, and there has been a case where the Prophet (SAWS) offered to nullify the marriage of a girl who was forced into marrying someone by her own father.

 

[Always Neutral]

honor killings are probably more likely to happen in western countries, where youth are exposed to so much sex, rather than in Pakistan where inter-mingling is shunned.

QUOTE]

Dear Assad,

Please read this and the Amnesty report on Honor Killing in Pakistan. It happens and the only difference in the Western world the person is caught and its reported in Pakistan and in most of Asia its accepted and no big news.

Regards


http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.htm

Focus (1): Pakistan


Pakistan, where "honour" killings are known as karo-kari, is probably the country where such atrocities are most pervasive. Estimating the scale of the phenomenon there, as elsewhere, is made more difficult not only by the problems of data collection in predominantly rural countries, but by the extent to which community members and political authorities collaborate in covering up the atrocities. According to Yasmeen Hassan, author of The Haven Becomes Hell: A Study of Domestic Violence in Pakistan, "The concepts of women as property and honor are so deeply entrenched in the social, political and economic fabric of Pakistan that the government, for the most part, ignores the daily occurrences of women being killed and maimed by their families." (Hassan, "The Fate of Pakistani Women.") Frequently, women murdered in "honour" killings are recorded as having committed suicide or died in accidents.

 

[DarkStar]

dont divert this thread to honour killings. we condemn them.