Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[帅的一匹]

this is pure business.

 

[Dazzler]

this is pure business.

Are you suggesting that China helped Russia in this sector? Any evidence for that?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Almost all modern Russian mbts use optics developed by Peleng which uses French sights and termal imagers. So technically, if France ever embargoes Russia, they will have a hard time upgrading tanks with second and third generation thermal imagers.

they have started building them or developing them now...i read somewhere.

 

[Dazzler]

they have started building them or developing them now...i read somewhere.

Only recently. Note that theyve been making day and night IR sights for decades. It is the thermal imagers theyve struggled with.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Only recently. Note that theyve been making day and night IR sights for decades. It is the thermal imagers theyve struggled with.

they can buy sensors from many sources china turkey etc after that they need good optronics system integration and software engineers which they have in abundance and in time they can develop their own state of the art sensors so what's the problem.

 

[Beast]

 

[ptldM3]

The pic i shared shows the inside of Armata.

I know.

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Here is another, this time from T-90, Essa sight with catherine FC

Here is that

T-80BVM

Read more here

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/18464/

Once again the T-14 does not use French thermal imagers. Kazan manufacturers domestic thermal imagers for both T-14 and T-15.

Commander and gunner have their own displays; unique ones only found in T-14. The driver has one display that looks similar to those found on T-90. So far that display has shown none imagery information.

 

[LKJ86]

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https://www.guancha.cn/XiYaZhou/2018_08_26_469621_7.shtml

Baidu Translate:
The greatest advance in the latest Russian military demonstration of a new generation of old equipment modified vehicles is that most of them are equipped with "pine-U" thermal imagery, which Russia introduced French technology to build factories in the country. Previously, there was a general feeling of wonder about how Russia was able to maintain production after France joined sanctions against Russia, because it had been reported that some key components still had to be imported from France. However, at this year's "Army 2018" exhibition, some Chinese enterprises said that at present several Russian enterprises producing thermal imagery, and they have a cooperative relationship... Although this statement can not be done any evidence, but I think... The relationship between China and Russia's thermal imagers is still a matter of fact. This is also a basic premise for Russia to popularize thermal imagery in new generation tanks and infantry combat vehicles when its military expenditure has fallen sharply this year compared with last year.
I have said before that Russia will sooner or later have to "hate the truth". Now at least the thermal imager... Congratulations on Chinese thermal imaging enterprises.

@wanglaokan

Thank you for the usual propaganda

Sputnik: Chinese Firms at Army-2018 Forum Pledge Better Offers to Russian Partners
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
17:33 22.08.2018(updated 17:34 22.08.2018)

KUBINKA (Moscow Region) (Sputnik) - Chinese companies which have arrived in Russia for the annual International Military-Technical Forum Army-2018 are promising to never act against Moscow’s interests, and to instead pursue a lasting partnership in the defense sector while the West continues slapping Russia with more sanctions.

This year's forum, which kicked off at Patriot Park in the western suburbs of Moscow on Tuesday, marked the first appearance of prominent Chinese military equipment manufacturers such as the China North Industries Group Corporation, officially abbreviated as Norinco, which is one of the largest defense companies in the world.

Norinco's booth has become a key element of the Chinese pavilion at the defense industry forum, showcasing top-notch models of tanks, high-power cannons and anti-aircraft systems the company offers.

On the first day of the forum, Chinese Ambassador to Russia Li Hui and senior Chinese military officials visited Norinco's booth, where they were introduced to the capabilities of the company's weapons systems.

"This is the first time our company takes part in this annual military forum. The reason we're here this year is because the Russian military invited Chinese defense manufactures like us to join the forum, as part of the bilateral military exchange between the two countries. That's why the Chinese government organized eight Chinese defense companies including us to come here," Ji Yongzhao, deputy marketing director of Norinco, told Sputnik.

Ji admitted that when it came to working with Russian partners, China traditionally focused on importing advanced Russian military equipment and technology.

"From Russia, we used to import a lot of their military hardware. We rarely exported anything to Russia, as our exports mostly reached Central Asian countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union. I can't reveal the details of our cooperation with our Russian partners. But we did import certain technology and products from Russia," he said.

Ji expressed hope that the military forum would help his company become better known among potential Russian partners.

"This year, we just want to be here first and let everyone know who we are. There could be some opportunities for cooperation in the future," he said.

Unique Option

China Electronics Corporation (CEC), one of the largest Chinese computer hardware and telecom equipment manufacturers, also hopes to expand its presence in the region through the forum.

"Under China's Belt and Road Initiative, we're motivated to introduce our products to different countries in neighboring regions who take part in this forum," Lv Baoli, deputy director of the systems equipment department at CEC, told Sputnik.

Lv explained that the CEC had brought complete computing systems, networking equipment, industrial control systems and aerospace components to exhibit at the forum.

The CEC representative noted that his company had a unique competitive advantage, compared to offerings from other countries, when working with potential Russian partners.

"We have not established long-term relationships with Russian clients. But we can tell our Russian partners that we can offer you a different option, which will be a long-term and stable service. As China and Russia are strategic partners today, along with our intertwined history, our partnership would be long lasting. China would not introduce sanctions or things like that," Lv said.

No Restrictions

The Shandong-based IRay Technology Corporation, which is also taking part in the forum for the first time, said that it was benefiting from the sanctions that prohibited the West from exporting participial technology to Russia because this opened up new market opportunities for China.

"Our company offers infrared thermal imaging technology. As Russia cannot produce infrared imaging sensors domestically, it used to rely on imports from France, the United States or Israel. We have an advantage today, because such technology exports from Western countries to Russia have been restricted in recent years. As bilateral relations between China and Russia warmed in recent years, the Russian side start to prefer to import such sensors from China. There's no restriction in China about exporting our products" Frank Hu, overseas sales manager at the IRay Technology Corporation, told Sputnik.

Hu added that his company had been attending similar technology exhibitions in Russia for two years and already established business relations with local partners.

"Several of the Russian exhibitors that offer infrared imaging products at this year's forum are our clients," he said.

New Customers

Aside from buyers from Russia, the most promising market for Chinese producers, the companies also hope to find clients in Moscow's partner regions — the Middle East, Africa, Asia and Latin America — which are also present at Army-2018.

"This year, our company took part in six-seven similar military forums overseas, where we met with military delegations from different countries. To come to the forum here in Moscow [Region], we also could showcase our products to military delegations from countries that are friendly to Russia," Ji from Norinco said.

Ji noted that while Norinco's existing customers came from the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, where it may face competition from Russian defense companies, it was up to a customer to make the final decision.

"It's all up to the customers' choice. Today, we face steep competition from many countries, including Russia, European countries and the United States. Although the military hardware market appears to be rather sensitive, it is still a very open and highly competitive global market," he said.

Source:https://sputniknews.com/military/201808221067393244-china-firms-army-offer/

@ptldM3

 

[ptldM3]

Sputnik: Chinese Firms at Army-2018 Forum Pledge Better Offers to Russian Partners
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
17:33 22.08.2018(updated 17:34 22.08.2018)

KUBINKA (Moscow Region) (Sputnik) - Chinese companies which have arrived in Russia for the annual International Military-Technical Forum Army-2018 are promising to never act against Moscow’s interests, and to instead pursue a lasting partnership in the defense sector while the West continues slapping Russia with more sanctions.

This year's forum, which kicked off at Patriot Park in the western suburbs of Moscow on Tuesday, marked the first appearance of prominent Chinese military equipment manufacturers such as the China North Industries Group Corporation, officially abbreviated as Norinco, which is one of the largest defense companies in the world.

Norinco's booth has become a key element of the Chinese pavilion at the defense industry forum, showcasing top-notch models of tanks, high-power cannons and anti-aircraft systems the company offers.

On the first day of the forum, Chinese Ambassador to Russia Li Hui and senior Chinese military officials visited Norinco's booth, where they were introduced to the capabilities of the company's weapons systems.

"This is the first time our company takes part in this annual military forum. The reason we're here this year is because the Russian military invited Chinese defense manufactures like us to join the forum, as part of the bilateral military exchange between the two countries. That's why the Chinese government organized eight Chinese defense companies including us to come here," Ji Yongzhao, deputy marketing director of Norinco, told Sputnik.

Ji admitted that when it came to working with Russian partners, China traditionally focused on importing advanced Russian military equipment and technology.

"From Russia, we used to import a lot of their military hardware. We rarely exported anything to Russia, as our exports mostly reached Central Asian countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union. I can't reveal the details of our cooperation with our Russian partners. But we did import certain technology and products from Russia," he said.

Ji expressed hope that the military forum would help his company become better known among potential Russian partners.

"This year, we just want to be here first and let everyone know who we are. There could be some opportunities for cooperation in the future," he said.

Unique Option

China Electronics Corporation (CEC), one of the largest Chinese computer hardware and telecom equipment manufacturers, also hopes to expand its presence in the region through the forum.

"Under China's Belt and Road Initiative, we're motivated to introduce our products to different countries in neighboring regions who take part in this forum," Lv Baoli, deputy director of the systems equipment department at CEC, told Sputnik.

Lv explained that the CEC had brought complete computing systems, networking equipment, industrial control systems and aerospace components to exhibit at the forum.

The CEC representative noted that his company had a unique competitive advantage, compared to offerings from other countries, when working with potential Russian partners.

"We have not established long-term relationships with Russian clients. But we can tell our Russian partners that we can offer you a different option, which will be a long-term and stable service. As China and Russia are strategic partners today, along with our intertwined history, our partnership would be long lasting. China would not introduce sanctions or things like that," Lv said.

No Restrictions

The Shandong-based IRay Technology Corporation, which is also taking part in the forum for the first time, said that it was benefiting from the sanctions that prohibited the West from exporting participial technology to Russia because this opened up new market opportunities for China.

"Our company offers infrared thermal imaging technology. As Russia cannot produce infrared imaging sensors domestically, it used to rely on imports from France, the United States or Israel. We have an advantage today, because such technology exports from Western countries to Russia have been restricted in recent years. As bilateral relations between China and Russia warmed in recent years, the Russian side start to prefer to import such sensors from China. There's no restriction in China about exporting our products" Frank Hu, overseas sales manager at the IRay Technology Corporation, told Sputnik.

Hu added that his company had been attending similar technology exhibitions in Russia for two years and already established business relations with local partners.

"Several of the Russian exhibitors that offer infrared imaging products at this year's forum are our clients," he said.

New Customers

Aside from buyers from Russia, the most promising market for Chinese producers, the companies also hope to find clients in Moscow's partner regions — the Middle East, Africa, Asia and Latin America — which are also present at Army-2018.

"This year, our company took part in six-seven similar military forums overseas, where we met with military delegations from different countries. To come to the forum here in Moscow [Region], we also could showcase our products to military delegations from countries that are friendly to Russia," Ji from Norinco said.

Ji noted that while Norinco's existing customers came from the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, where it may face competition from Russian defense companies, it was up to a customer to make the final decision.

"It's all up to the customers' choice. Today, we face steep competition from many countries, including Russia, European countries and the United States. Although the military hardware market appears to be rather sensitive, it is still a very open and highly competitive global market," he said.

Source:https://sputniknews.com/military/201808221067393244-china-firms-army-offer/

@ptldM3

Again, you are posting nonsense. Shandong is clueless about what Russia produces. Russia produces its own thermal imagers. It reminds me of the time Norenco was claiming the VT-4 had a better engine and transmission then the T-14 without ever actually knowing anything about the T-14 engine and transmission.


Russian thermal imagers:

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

are posting nonsense. Shandong is clueless about what Russia produces. Russia produces its own thermal imagers. It reminds me of the time Norenco was claiming the VT-4 had a better engine and transmission then the T-14 without ever actually knowing anything about the T-

Again, you are posting nonsense. Shandong is clueless about what Russia produces. Russia produces its own thermal imagers. It reminds me of the time Norenco was claiming the VT-4 had a better engine and transmission then the T-14 without ever actually knowing anything about the T-14 engine and transmission.


Russian thermal imagers:


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the article clearly states that Russia is importing the sensors not the whole item

 

[ptldM3]

the article clearly states that Russia is importing the sensors not the whole item

Russia has been building infares sensors for decaded, dating back to the Cold War when the Soviet Union could not import anything sophisticated from the United States or China.



The Soviet Union imported this IR technology from space aliens.

 

[Beast]

Russia has been building infares sensors for decaded, dating back to the Cold War when the Soviet Union could not import anything sophisticated from the United States or China.



The Soviet Union imported this IR technology from space aliens.

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There are many grades of infra sensor. The highest grade one needs very large investment in order to accomplish. There is a reason why those Chinese firms are invited to participate.

 

[帅的一匹]

There are many grades of infra sensor. The highest grade one needs very large investment in order to accomplish. There is a reason why those Chinese firms are invited to participate.

China will provide thermal imager to Russian T90 tanks.

 

[帅的一匹]

https://view.inews.qq.com/a/20180826A1D2VE00?uid=8730528

 

[帅的一匹]

to partially replace French Catherine.