AZADPAKISTAN2009
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 8, 2009
- Messages
- 37,669
- Reaction score
- 68
- Country
- Location
Need around 2,000 to retire older model tanks in inventory
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
I hope you flip back more earlier thread and stop beating the dead horse of another T-72. If VT-4 is just a modify T-72. Then Leopard 2 A7 is just leopard 1. I do not want to repeat spoon feed you about VT-4. Since it's already bought by PA. It's your responsible to find out more info and pls do yourself a favor by not asking American or indian about VT-4 info.a little (but I hope they prove be wrong)
I hope you flip back more earlier thread and stop beating the dead horse of another T-72. If VT-4 is just a modify T-72. Then Leopard 2 A7 is just leopard 1. I do not want to repeat spoon feed you about VT-4. Since it's already bought by PA. It's your responsible to find out more info and pls do yourself a favor by not asking American or indian about VT-4 info.
I do believe Pakistan will make the right choice very cautiously.I hope your right. I trust the Pakistan army to have checked out the tank and if they are satisfied, the I am satisfied.
The first tank that PA acquired to face T-72 was Type-85. While Type-85 was being procured, initial work on AK had begun in 90's. After Pakistan went for T-80 UDs, the Indians procured T-90s. Coincidentally, AK and T-90 were inducted in the same year in respective armies I think. Apart from Type-85, the way these procurements occurred doesn't ensure that PA acquires tanks solely against Indian Army tank procurements. If you read history of Indo-Pak wars, both armies whenever took initiatives to throw tanks against enemy deployed them against weaker enemy forces, not necessarily against armored forces(khem Karan-Pakistan and Sialkot-India). The defending army would try to employ tanks against tanks along with other anti-tank systems (Sialkot-Pakistan). Its useful to exploit enemy's weakly defended areas with armor unless armor has to face armor in combat and there is no other choice.Pakistan face thousands of India Tanks, such as T-72, T-90.
Yep you don't cut iron with ironThe first tank that PA acquired to face T-72 was Type-85. While Type-85 was being procured, initial work on AK had begun in 90's. After Pakistan went for T-80 UDs, the Indians procured T-90s. Coincidentally, AK and T-90 were inducted in the same year in respective armies I think. Apart from Type-85, the way these procurements occurred doesn't ensure that PA acquires tanks solely against Indian Army tank procurements. If you read history of Indo-Pak wars, both armies whenever took initiatives to throw tanks against enemy deployed them against weaker enemy forces, not necessarily against armored forces(khem Karan-Pakistan and Sialkot-India). The defending army would try to employ tanks against tanks along with other anti-tank systems (Sialkot-Pakistan). Its useful to exploit enemy's weakly defended areas with armor unless armor has to face armor in combat and there is no other choice.
Yes you don't cut iron with iron. Armour is usually not used against armour unless for outflanking or preventing outflanking of own forces. PA has especially raised an indp anti armour bde at Gujranwala and the Gujranwala corps was established to relief one corps of taking any defensive moves .same can be said of 4(lahore) and 31(bahwalpur) corps to some extent. It should also be implemented in sindh.The first tank that PA acquired to face T-72 was Type-85. While Type-85 was being procured, initial work on AK had begun in 90's. After Pakistan went for T-80 UDs, the Indians procured T-90s. Coincidentally, AK and T-90 were inducted in the same year in respective armies I think. Apart from Type-85, the way these procurements occurred doesn't ensure that PA acquires tanks solely against Indian Army tank procurements. If you read history of Indo-Pak wars, both armies whenever took initiatives to throw tanks against enemy deployed them against weaker enemy forces, not necessarily against armored forces(khem Karan-Pakistan and Sialkot-India). The defending army would try to employ tanks against tanks along with other anti-tank systems (Sialkot-Pakistan). Its useful to exploit enemy's weakly defended areas with armor unless armor has to face armor in combat and there is no other choice.
Type-85 II can face T-72 and come on top. It can even face T-90 which is why its deployed in semi/desert region. T-59 II did not perform amicably in the desert therefore a new tank was needed.How do iur type 85s compare with indian t72s
Thanks, are type85s are under v corps ? Similarly what's the area of deployment of AKs, i read one of your post which said that they are usually with inf divs, if so why? And what will happen with the AZs, clearly they are not going to the western front?Type-85 II can face T-72 and come on top. It can even face T-90 which is why its deployed in semi/desert region. T-59 II did not perform amicably in the desert therefore a new tank was needed.
If the crew is trained and experienced then T-59 II can hold its ground against T-72, however its slower, has a smaller gun and its protection is just adequate. This is where tactics, strategy, employment of weapon and other factors come in.
I have an idea where Type-85 II are deployed, but lets see if anyone else points it out. I had started some threads on PA formations but i was asked to stop later on so I don't really indulge in deployments or procurements.Thanks, are type85s are under v corps ? Similarly what's the area of deployment of AKs, i read one of your post which said that they are usually with inf divs, if so why? And what will happen with the AZs, clearly they are not going to the western front?
Another question, will the AZs which have been replaced by vt4s form new regt?I have an idea where Type-85 II are deployed, but lets see if anyone else points it out. I had started some threads on PA formations but i was asked to stop later on so I don't really indulge in deployments or procurements.
AZ is a very impressive upgrade. It could make its way into armored regiments of Infantry Divs and has a good potential to serve in armored brigades. It would be disastrous for Indian military to underestimate AZ.
thanks brotherhere comes the improved model. Notice the olive green color of the gun, and it now has a muzzle reference sytem as well.
The older version lacked both these enhancements
Leopard changed quite a lot since 1980s. depends on which specific version.thanks brother
if there was generation classification then where does it stand in the league of Russian T90 or German lepords and US Abrams ?
every thing changed like original F16sLeopard changed quite a lot since 1980s. depends on which specific version.
T-90 is old tank technology, some upgrade from T-72.
Abrams changed a lot as well since it was born. So it depends which version.
if I may ask,i was asked to stop later on
I hope your right. I trust the Pakistan army to have checked out the tank and if they are satisfied, the I am satisfied.