Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[ziaulislam]

There are no issues with Zee9ers

i doubt there will be, its trust able European heli..just been liscence built(& improved upon) by china..

 

[Rafi]

Sir any news from US so far and what r expectations??? My take is we will get Zulus.

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[Flight of falcon]

Pakistan is in discussion for 9 billion outstanding CSF payments and other dues from USA. This includes military items held up and the wish list of new weapons.

USA has responded positively to solve this issue provided we deliver Afghanistan deal on a silver platter .....

Pakistan is now going all out to make the deal possible for Americans.

One purpose of this quickly arranged visit was to make sure that the American establishment and public knows who is going to make the deal and get reassurances that Pakistan will not be left out in cold again.
Pakistan is in the driving seat right now and Trump desperately needs a foreign relations victory after his disaster in N Korea, Iran and the Middle East.

Pakistan received assurances from American military and both sides of the political divide that our effort and results will not go down in vain.

Next few months are critical.

 

[GriffinsRule]

If Pakistan is able to pull together a peace deal in Afghanistan, it will lead to both a Trump re-election victory and one for Imran Khan as well. Trump is unlikely to forget that in his second term and it will give Pakistan a good stretch of time and space, from a friendlier WH and Congress, to implement its own economic turn around

 

[fatman17]

If Pakistan is able to pull together a peace deal in Afghanistan, it will lead to both a Trump re-election victory and one for Imran Khan as well. Trump is unlikely to forget that in his second term and it will give Pakistan a good stretch of time and space, from a friendlier WH and Congress, to implement its own economic turn around

Trump values Loyalty

 

[Quwa]

Defo, unfortunately the T129 has become part of the tussle between the US and Turkey.

As has been suggested we can take the deal signed for Atak 1 and join Atak 2 as a partner, win win.

@cabatli_53 @T-123456 do you remember how before TAI announced the Heavy Attack Helicopter program, there were statements about a 7-8 ton ATAK using the TEI same engine, transmission, etc as the T-625?

Conceived as a combination of T129 ATAK and T625, ATAK 2 is using the sub-systems such as transmission, rotor systems and landing gears developed under the T625 Utility Helicopter Project as well as the technological know-how, operational experience and achievements gained through the T129 ATAK Helicopter Project. ATAK 2, will be a combat helicopter that can successfully perform its missions in harsh geographical and environmental conditions, which will have increased payload capacity and modern avionic systems alongside with high performance and low maintenance cost.

https://www.tai.com.tr/en/product/atak-2
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There's no way the 9-10-ton ATAK fits that description, you'd need a T700-class turboshaft engine to even power such a thing (i.e., it'd need commonality with the TAI General Purpose Helicopter). So I wonder if ATAK-2 is actually the back-up plan in case the US starts dangling the engine to thwart ATAK sales.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If Pakistan is able to pull together a peace deal in Afghanistan, it will lead to both a Trump re-election victory and one for Imran Khan as well. Trump is unlikely to forget that in his second term and it will give Pakistan a good stretch of time and space, from a friendlier WH and Congress, to implement its own economic turn around

President Trump has already hinted that he hasn’t forgotten the Lithium, used in the batteries of the EVs, and other rare earth metals deposits in Afganistan!!! And, one of the deep rooted griefs of the President is that the US car brands aren’t popular in the world!! Who knows Tesla may be an answer to this, especially for gen Z/Z+ etc.!!! Both stability in Afganistan and cooperation from Pak are required.....

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53 @T-123456 do you remember how before TAI announced the Heavy Attack Helicopter program, there were statements about a 7-8 ton ATAK using the TEI same engine, transmission, etc as the T-625?

Conceived as a combination of T129 ATAK and T625, ATAK 2 is using the sub-systems such as transmission, rotor systems and landing gears developed under the T625 Utility Helicopter Project as well as the technological know-how, operational experience and achievements gained through the T129 ATAK Helicopter Project. ATAK 2, will be a combat helicopter that can successfully perform its missions in harsh geographical and environmental conditions, which will have increased payload capacity and modern avionic systems alongside with high performance and low maintenance cost.

https://www.tai.com.tr/en/product/atak-2
​

There's no way the 9-10-ton ATAK fits that description, you'd need a T700-class turboshaft engine to even power such a thing (i.e., it'd need commonality with the TAI General Purpose Helicopter). So I wonder if ATAK-2 is actually the back-up plan in case the US starts dangling the engine to thwart ATAK sales.

You know A new generation attack helicopter development program commenced under the light of T-129 Atak project. During the first years of feasibility studies, It is considered to improve the fuselage based on existing Atak with around 6t MTOW instead of previous 5t. With this way, It was targetted that T-625 and Atak-2 would had featured same domestic engine and transmission package. Later, Army and TUSAŞ reconsidered the requirements to fit the program into the mission profile of Turkish terrains and It was agreed to improve the MTOW around 8t as a result. As the time goes by, The re-assessment has continued to draw the final shape of Atak-2 program. Consequently, The Atak-2 has evolved into a heavy class attack helicopter which has a MTOW around 10-12t at present. The deal between SSB and TAI have signed to develop it accordingly. According to Temel Kotil, the head of TAI, Atak-2 will have a domestic turboshaft engine that have a thrust around 2500shp. The transmission package will also be developed thanks to experiences gained from T-625 program. In paralel to program requirements, Atak-2 and 12t utility helicopter is planned to host same engine and transmission package. The evolution of program created many new targets to meet ambitious requirements of Army.

Sister helicopters !

12t Utility Helo

10-12t Atak-2

 

[Quwa]

You know A new generation attack helicopter development program commenced under the light of T-129 Atak project. During the first years of feasibility studies, It is considered to improve the fuselage based on existing Atak with around 6t MTOW instead of previous 5t. With this way, It was targetted that T-625 and Atak-2 would had featured same domestic engine and transmission package. Later, Army and TUSAŞ reconsidered the requirements to fit the program into the mission profile of Turkish terrains and It was agreed to improve the MTOW around 8t as a result. As the time goes by, The re-assessment has continued to draw the final shape of Atak-2 program. Consequently, The Atak-2 has evolved into a heavy class attack helicopter which has a MTOW around 10-12t at present. The deal between SSB and TAI have signed to develop it accordingly. According to Temel Kotil, the head of TAI, Atak-2 will have a domestic turboshaft engine that have a thrust around 2500shp. The transmission package will also be developed thanks to experiences gained from T-625 program. In paralel to program requirements, Atak-2 and 12t utility helicopter is planned to host same engine and transmission package. The evolution of program created many new targets to meet ambitious requirements of Army.

Sister helicopters !

12t Utility Helo
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10-12t Atak-2
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So, it would be interesting if there's an idea to create a 6-ton ATAK with the TEI turboshaft engine and T-625's components. This would basically be the ITAR-free ATAK (before the 10-ton ATAK-2).

 

[cabatli_53]

So, it would be interesting if there's an idea to create a 6-ton ATAK with the TEI turboshaft engine and T-625's components. This would basically be the ITAR-free ATAK (before the 10-ton ATAK-2).

I do not know current situation of this development but ITAR-Free Atak with domestic engine and component + modified fuselage will be called as Atak Phase-2.

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.janes.com/article/90585/aselsan-orders-reach-historical-peak

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA TCDS E128_PZL-10W_issue01_20151215_1.0.pdf

 

[HAIDER]

So, it would be interesting if there's an idea to create a 6-ton ATAK with the TEI turboshaft engine and T-625's components. This would basically be the ITAR-free ATAK (before the 10-ton ATAK-2).

Changing the engine means changing the whole structural configuration.

 

[cabatli_53]

According to Mete Yarar who visited TAI facilities to make a TV program, The T-129 Atak program signed with PAkistan is proceeding as planned. The pilot traning activities will be commenced in a short time.

 

[mingle]

According to Mete Yarar who visited TAI facilities to make a TV program, The T-129 Atak program signed with PAkistan is proceeding as planned. The pilot traning activities will be commenced in a short time.

Great News thanks@cabatli_53