Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[cabatli_53]

 

[cabatli_53]

 

[farhan_9909]

Well i think a much better choice than this would be to enter into the turkey program of light utility helicopter

which is similar to the indian dhruv.

We should fund the project together.And should develop it within a time frame of 8 years or till 2020.

yes we should directly import the atak 129 aswell

 

[Zarvan]

@cabatli_53 was mou for this helicopter also signed or not

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53 was mou for this helicopter also signed or not

Unfortunately, I don't know...

 

[Gessler]

Have negotiations begun with Italy & US/UK as well? Because Turkey alone cannot call the
shots on this chopper.

 

[Rafi]

Have negotiations begun with Italy & US/UK as well? Because Turkey alone cannot call the
shots on this chopper.

They have the full licence to sell on, it was part of the agreement.

 

[Gessler]

They have the full licence to sell on, it was part of the agreement.

The license they have is only for to assemble just enough engines for
their own fleet of T-129 and a number of reserves. The original contract
does not include export to 3rd parties, or does it? Please inform me if
so.

From what I think, if Pakistan is buying T-129, then you also need to buy
the US engines, and Turkey is not allowed to build and export as many engines
as it likes and to whomever it likes. Because if it does, it will be a huge blow
to Honeywell and Rolls-Royce's business, the US government will never allow
something like that.

Turkey will be granted license to build additional engines for Pakistan export
only if US renews their license, and this cannot happen without the US/UK/Italy
conducting a series of interactions with the end-user of the product, in this
case, Pakistan.

That's what I'm asking, have negotiations begun with US/UK/Italy as yet?

 

[Tameem]

The license they have is only for to assemble just enough engines for
their own fleet of T-129 and a number of reserves. The original contract
does not include export to 3rd parties, or does it? Please inform me if
so.

From what I think, if Pakistan is buying T-129, then you also need to buy
the US engines, and Turkey is not allowed to build and export as many engines
as it likes and to whomever it likes. Because if it does, it will be a huge blow
to Honeywell and Rolls-Royce's business, the US government will never allow
something like that.

Turkey will be granted license to build additional engines for Pakistan export
only if US renews their license, and this cannot happen without the US/UK/Italy
conducting a series of interactions with the end-user of the product, in this
case, Pakistan.

That's what I'm asking, have negotiations begun with US/UK/Italy as yet?

Chhoree talay Saaaans tu lai-lu......tumhain Kya jaldi hai...

 

[eagleeye]

The license they have is only for to assemble just enough engines for
their own fleet of T-129 and a number of reserves. The original contract
does not include export to 3rd parties, or does it? Please inform me if
so.

From what I think, if Pakistan is buying T-129, then you also need to buy
the US engines, and Turkey is not allowed to build and export as many engines
as it likes and to whomever it likes. Because if it does, it will be a huge blow
to Honeywell and Rolls-Royce's business, the US government will never allow
something like that.

Turkey will be granted license to build additional engines for Pakistan export
only if US renews their license, and this cannot happen without the US/UK/Italy
conducting a series of interactions with the end-user of the product, in this
case, Pakistan.

That's what I'm asking, have negotiations begun with US/UK/Italy as yet?

Read the first post


Turkish Aerospace Industries is the T129′s prime contractor. Aselsan and AgustaWestland will be the subcontractors, under a collaboration agreement in which TAI shares ownership of intellectual property rights for the new A129 configuration with AgustaWestland. TAI will also become the sole source for the production of the whole fuselage, including final assembly and flight operations, and will be responsible for marketing the “T-129 attack helicopters” to the world.



Turkey Finally Lands Its Attack Helicopters

 

[Gessler]

Read the first post


Turkish Aerospace Industries is the T129′s prime contractor. Aselsan and AgustaWestland will be the subcontractors, under a collaboration agreement in which TAI shares ownership of intellectual property rights for the new A129 configuration with AgustaWestland. TAI will also become the sole source for the production of the whole fuselage, including final assembly and flight operations, and will be responsible for marketing the “T-129 attack helicopters” to the world.



Turkey Finally Lands Its Attack Helicopters

Sir I know that T-129 is produced in Turkey, I know that fuselage, airframe, rotor
blades etc. are all built in Turkey. But there are certain sophisticated equipment
who's IPRs are never shared, such as engines and flight-control software.

What this means is that eventhough Turkey is allowed to conduct the final
assembly of T-129, it still remains answerable to the US/Italian companies who
are still providing licenses and know-how regarding major components like the
engine, without which the chopper simply cannot fly.

So even if you can do the final assembly of the T-129s meant for Pakistan,
you cannot do this without consent of the various foreign companies who
need to be notified to expand/renew the production licenses for critical equipment
like the engine.

And ofcourse, the US has the right to know in who's hands their engines are going to end up, no?

That's what I meant when I said interaction with the end-user.

Signing of T-129 deal means Pakistan is going to continue reliance on major US
equipment for a long time to come.

Chhoree talay Saaaans tu lai-lu......tumhain Kya jaldi hai...:lol:

Didn't understand anything except the highlighted part...what are you trying to say?

 

[eagleeye]

Tei will produce the engine under license and it has the right for export. of course it could be some rectrictions from the US side to not export the engine to particular countrys maybe china north korea and iran. i think if we couldn't sell it to pakistan no one would offer it and make promotion for the export.

 

[Gessler]

Tei will produce the engine under license and it has the right for export. of course it could be some rectrictions from the US side to not export the engine to particular countrys maybe china north korea and iran. i think if we couldn't sell it to pakistan no one would offer it and make promotion for the export.

We'll see about the export. However I'll be happy if someone can give me a source which says
TEI can build & export US engines to 3rd party countries without US authorization.

The point to be noted is that Pakistan is not really moving away from dependence on US equipment.

 

[Safriz]

We'll see about the export. However I'll be happy if someone can give me a source which says
TEI can build & export US engines to 3rd party countries without US authorization.

The point to be noted is that Pakistan is not really moving away from dependence on US equipment.

It always depends on the legal contract between two countries...
Situation may be similar as Pakistan-Russia-China
Pakistani planes are flying with Russian engines.

TAI cannot manufactue the engines,but may have some leagl rights to export..We wont know.

 

[ELTurco]

Tei will produce the engine under license and it has the right for export. of course it could be some rectrictions from the US side to not export the engine to particular countrys maybe china north korea and iran. i think if we couldn't sell it to pakistan no one would offer it and make promotion for the export.

I hope so because similarly with Azerbaijan order of t155 howitzer there was some difficulties with license produced engines from other countries.