Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[cnleio]

U have more choice ...

WZ-9

WZ-19

WZ-10

 

[cabatli_53]

My friend, There are some other solutions like MD-210, Kiowa Warrior..etc the countries may intend indeed, USA Forces operates some which looks like your WZ-9 solution, multi-purpose helicopter to be designed to carry the troops but armed as well but Nothing can replace an attack helicopter which is designed to combat against all type armoured units.

 

[cabatli_53]

-TAI Atak test pilots qualification cources
-TAI Atak pilot oriantation cource
-TAI Atak mechanical maintenance crew cource
-TAI Atak avionic and weapon system training cources

 

[cabatli_53]

TAI started design/modification of a new variant of T-129 Atak called B2 to be manufactured in 2016 (Latest 21 T-129 Atak will be manufactured B2 variant). The take-off weight of B2 is planned to be increased between %5-%10 (max. 500kg), While new generation avionic systems/hardwares will be connected(!) to gain aprox. %50 lighter weight of current A version's avionics. Such efforts will make B2 to be able to carry more weapon payload and gained increased range. The Nose section will be re-designed/quite longer than standart A and B1 versions for Meteksan developed MMW radar integration.


Meteksan MMW radar

T-129A COIN attack helicopter(10)
T-129B1 Anti-Tank/Air Model (29)
T-129B2 Radar integrated,longer nose, Increased range, bigger payload variant (21)

T-129 Atak-A

After deliveries of the B2 versions finish it is expected that the previous 39 helicopters will be upgraded to B-2 standard.

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

TAI started design/modification of a new variant of T-129 Atak called B2 to be manufactured in 2016 (Latest 21 T-129 Atak will be manufactured B2 variant). The take-off weight of B2 is planned to be increased between %5-%10 (max. 500kg), While new generation avionic systems/hardwares will be connected(!) to gain aprox. %50 lighter weight of current A version's avionics. Such efforts will make B2 to be able to carry more weapon payload and gained increased range. The Nose section will be re-designed/quite longer than standart A and B1 versions for Meteksan developed MMW radar integration.


Meteksan MMW radar

T-129A COIN attack helicopter(10)
T-129B1 Anti-Tank/Air Model (29)
T-129B2 Radar integrated,longer nose, Increased range, bigger payload variant (21)

T-129 Atak-A

After deliveries of the B2 versions finish it is expected that the previous 39 helicopters will be upgraded to B-2 standard.

any further news or development w.r.t. the negotiations between turkey & PakisTan regarding T-129 chopper as there is a new govt. now in PakisTan ... ??

 

[Tajdar adil]

well well its a twin engine helli and Pakistan is very scared of twin engine things....

 

[Irfan Baloch]

well well its a twin engine helli and Pakistan is very scared of twin engine things....

our new Government has just negotiated some loans from IMF and if Kafir Americans can convince our Arab brothers to give us some loans then there is a chance to buy them. in the meantime we will have to make do with what we have.

we dont need T-129s to take out TTP , BLA and LeJ but a willingness & clear conscience which is lacking at the moment.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

well well its a twin engine helli and Pakistan is very scared of twin engine things....

who told you that twin engine aircrafts and helis are more costly to operate

 

[Gentelman]

To make some sense, Think more about sanctions. If Pakistan really worries about Western sanctions to be applied for future, Why Pakistani officials have already been pouring billion $ on Western products instead of directly look for equivalents in China ? I am talking about complete products which all intellectual and property rights of the whole design and sub-systems belongs to sole Western countries and USA such as F-16 Block30, Block 50+, Aspide SAM, UAV's, ERIEYE AWACS and more. There are also some future tenders which will be opened for which the institutes from Western countries will participate. If The likely sanctions are so crucial proceeding ahead of system quality, cost-effectivity, competability..etc, Close all tenders, cut all relations with West and just open all sources to China...

About T-129, Current WZ-10 with domestic shaft engine can't be on par with T-129 Atak A/B. With more powerfull domestic engine China is developing, The both attack helicopter would be reached similar hot/high performances but Reliability of copter will remain a big question for WZ-10 which will use a new developed engine under many difficulties and a proven one T-129 uses.

T-129's LHTEC 800A is one of the best engine which is developed for USA famous Commanche helicopter. Many parts of this engine are being manufactured by Turkish institutes in Turkey...

PA had shown its keen intrest in T-129 and only thing that can stop PA from axquiration is king cobra……
yeah if US provide King Cobra as replacement for AH/1Z according to PA needs then this acquirtion can be expanded……
pak requested for Boeing E-3 Sentry but on turning down Erieye was slected and F-16 maintanance facility(and turks help in spares) is stopping PAF from leaving this platform and it is a lame excuse that we are afraid of sanctations especially when we ate talking about trust worthy and hard time tested friends (turks)……
soo we can hope atleast 12 such helos soon(2015-2017)……

well well its a twin engine helli and Pakistan is very scared of twin engine things....

ever heard of PA aviation wing??
all attack helos are under its control and PAF don't operates them currentely……
well PA can't afford twin engine helos and US never showed its willingness for providing more capable twin engine jets……
you can expect twin engine King cobra as replacement for AH/1Z if nawaz didnot pissed off US much……

 

[Neptune]

@Gentleman
Yup, there's a mistake here;

AH-1P/E/F = Cobra

AH-1W = SuperCobra

AH-1Z = Viper (KingCobra)

AH-1Z is the model that's also in the tender. Not in the PA's inventory to be replaced. If you choose AH-1Z, it will replace your Cobras (AH-1P). Honestly, KingCobra (a.k.a AH-1Z Viper) was also offered to us and to be produced in Turkey. But we couldn't reach with Bell. Then we chose Agusta Mangusta A-129. Italy will also upgrade it's fleet with T-129. Anyways, my opinion is choosing AH-64E or T-129 or WZ-10. AH-1Z's engines are also good but it's twin-blade is weak for the envirement of Pakistan.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Some people download the "Trial" Software and use it for 30 days and then download again and use the trial version

We need to tell the military , helicopters don't work that way you ACTUALLY have to buy eventually !!!

 

[Tajdar adil]

who told you that twin engine aircrafts and helis are more costly to operate

Sir you dont think that twin engine jets and helos are not costly to operate..
come its very simple to understand.

 

[Tajdar adil]

TAI started design/modification of a new variant of T-129 Atak called B2 to be manufactured in 2016 (Latest 21 T-129 Atak will be manufactured B2 variant). The take-off weight of B2 is planned to be increased between %5-%10 (max. 500kg), While new generation avionic systems/hardwares will be connected(!) to gain aprox. %50 lighter weight of current A version's avionics. Such efforts will make B2 to be able to carry more weapon payload and gained increased range. The Nose section will be re-designed/quite longer than standart A and B1 versions for Meteksan developed MMW radar integration.


Meteksan MMW radar

T-129A COIN attack helicopter(10)
T-129B1 Anti-Tank/Air Model (29)
T-129B2 Radar integrated,longer nose, Increased range, bigger payload variant (21)

T-129 Atak-A

After deliveries of the B2 versions finish it is expected that the previous 39 helicopters will be upgraded to B-2 standard.

I think we need all these 3 variants..
Minimum 20 each of them.and we should talk to our Turks brothers for transfer of tecknology.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I think we need all these 3 variants..
Minimum 20 each of them.and we should talk to our Turks brothers for transfer of tecknology.

ToT as well? do you know how much it will cost? will it be fair to ask it for free?
really do we have the capacity for it to install and even operate it even if they give up their source or income as a charity?

MINIMUM 20 OF EACH...Hmmm 20 current year calenders of each will be more realistic option haha.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I think we need all these 3 variants..
Minimum 20 each of them.and we should talk to our Turks brothers for transfer of tecknology.

we need 30 or 50 of them not 400