Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[cabatli_53]

Impressive indeed...

 

[itaskol]

after zhuhai airshow,chinese Z 10 is now open for sale.
our pakistan friend should think again before choose T 129.
it could be a interresting competition.
and attack heli is not so urgent for Pakistan. you have enough time to make a right choice.

 

[Luftwaffe]

after zhuhai airshow,chinese Z 10 is now open for sale.
our pakistan friend should think again before choose T 129. it could be a interesting competition.
and attack heli is not so urgent for Pakistan. you have enough time to make a right choice.

T-129 would be atleast $35M each not including weapons/over the life time costs-equipment training. It would be interesting if Pakistan checks out Z-10 and I think Pakistan should not ignore Z-10s they should be evaluated thoroughly.

 

[hassan1]

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Good PS Hassan.. bas thora sa tilt ho gya flag

T-129 would be atleast $35M each not including weapons/over the life time costs-equipment training. It would be interesting if Pakistan checks out Z-10 and I think Pakistan should not ignore Z-10s they should be evaluated thoroughly.

I hope we will go where we will get ToT.

 

[AKINCI]

http://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-Helo-Survivability-June-2009.pdf

Hews Helicopter Electronic Warfare Self Protection System

IMO, a helicopter is still a sitting duck. A flare or chaff system will be effective in some situations, non-effective in others, it has it's limits as well.

HEWS is the Integrated Self Protection System, developed by ASELSAN for fixed and rotary wing aircrafts. Integrated around the Suite Central Processing Unit, HEWS provides situational awareness and threat specific countermeasures during mission with;

Radar Warning,

RF Jamming,

Missile Warning,

Chaff/Flare Dispensing,

Laser Warning,

IR Countermeasure integration capabilities.



HEWS is an Integrated EW Self Protection System for air platforms designed so as to provide Maximum Protection for the aircraft with Minimum Workload for the crew. Information from the subsystems are gathered, evaluated and after data fusion and decision process, the most appropriate countermeasure technique is applied.

Suite Management

State of the art Integrated Self Protection System approach based on a sophisticated suite central processing function for the EW suite

Flexible and modular integration around a Central Management Unit that provides open architecture to host additional EW subsystems according to the user requirements

Dual redundant MIL-STD-1553B EW Bus architecture

Support of various communication standards: MIL-STD-1553, RS-485, RS-232, ARINC-429, Ethernet

Integration with on-board avionics

Simultaneous evaluation of the threat, situation, aircraft and intelligence data

Full situational awareness for the pilot



Missile Warning

Missile Warning System based on passive ultraviolet technology

360° spatial coverage in azimuth by 4 sensors

4 steradian spatial coverage by 6 sensors

High probability of detection

High spatial resolution

Low False Alarm Rate (FAR)

Detection of missile threats at initial launch phases (provides maximum time for countermeasures)

Fast reaction for countermeasure dispensing

Multiple threat analysis and tracking capability

No need for special cooling



Chaff/Flare Dispensing

Fast reaction following threat detection

Fully programmable Mission Data File architecture

Designed for seamless glass cockpit integration

Application of optimum countermeasure technique specific to the threat, managed by Suite Central Processing Unit

Minimum workload for the pilot in a very dense threat environment

Auto, Semi-Auto, Manual and By-Pass operating modes

Simultaneous dispensing

Numerous Chaff/Flare dispensing programs against RF and E/O guided threats

Continuous inventory report and warning when payload quantity is critical

Maximum redundancy through by-pass lines

Automatic misfire detection and correction with the same type of payload

Utilizes standard NATO cartridges and compatibles

Fast reaction through discrete countermeasure dispense selection



Radar Warning

Fast threat detection, threat classification and identification of the threats defined in the Mission Data File

Handling Pulse, CW and complex (any combination of pulse and CW signals) radar signals

Long range detection and high Probability of Intercept

High accuracy of Direction of Arrival

Operability in very dense threat environment

Fully programmable Mission Data File architecture

Detection capability for threats specified as unknown threat

360° spatial coverage



RF Jamming

RF energy transmission enabling deceptive and noise jamming techniques in a dynamic threat environment

Tracking and jamming the threats autonomously

Phased array antenna and solid state transmitter architecture

Fully programmable Mission Data File architecture

Software controlled interfaces

360 spatial coverage



Laser Warning

Detection of laser designator, beam rider and range finder threats

360° spatial coverage

High accuracy of Angle of Arrival

High sensitivity and Probability of Detection

Low False Alarm Rate (FAR)

Fully programmable Mission Data File architecture



IR Countermeasure

Integration of IRCM equipment to HEWS Suite



and more...

Full glass-cockpit compatibility

Advanced Man-Machine Interface with Multi Function Display (MFD) support

Night Vision Goggles (NVG) compatibility

Descriptive and adaptive symbology on Multi Function Display for fast recognition of threats

Programmable audio messages and alerts for maximum situational awareness including threat tipe and direction of arrival

In flight event and RWR Pulse Description Word recording

Single-point uploading/downloading of multiple Mission Data File and mission records through Pilot Control Panel

Various levels of BIT support

Software Support Station for Mission Data File generation and Post Mission Data Analysis

Built-in pilot training mode

Interoperability of each sub-system with each other

 

[Myth_buster_1]

after zhuhai airshow,chinese Z 10 is now open for sale.
our pakistan friend should think again before choose T 129.
it could be a interresting competition.
and attack heli is not so urgent for Pakistan. you have enough time to make a right choice.

The Z-10 for pakistan most likely to be a export version where as Turkey is open to selling T-129 to Pak as it is.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The Z-10 for pakistan most likely to be a export version where as Turkey is open to selling T-129 to Pak as it is.

thats true,
T-129 is already operational and a tested platform. Z-10 whereas has suffered a lot of setbacks due to embargo on western equipment with duel purpose usage. it is possible to make one or 2 units but to make a serial production and unrestricted access to spare parts its essential that the supply chain is not subject to usual western blackmail and embargo which plagued Z-10, the Chinese helicopter might turn out to be a potent and impressive platform once it has Chinese equipment but that might have to wait.

T-129 as noted already is available for sale now. I guess the issue is finances. specially under Zardari government one must thank god that he doesnt have same access to military as he does to PIA and steel mils. look what has become of them.

 

[Peregrine]

Chinese one is more shinnier, lets go with that.

 

[TR.1]

Chinese one is more shinnier, lets go with that.

We can polish ours

 

[Kompromat]

We, should have diversity in our fleet, T-129 fits PA.

 

[tesla]

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[SEAL]

Jahan se commission zaida milna ha wohi purchase karein gy maybe army reject both and go for AH-1Z.

 

[Luftwaffe]

We, should have diversity in our fleet, T-129 fits PA.

As long as Pakistan has the bag full of Cash, I read the deal stalled for T-129 because we don't have mon-ey ".

At this point I doubt if Pakistan can even spare $500M for 10 Gunships that includes everything.

 

[Kompromat]

As long as Pakistan has the bag full of Cash, I read the deal stalled for T-129 because we don't have mon-ey ".

At this point I doubt if Pakistan can even spare $500M for 10 Gunships that includes everything.

Vote for PPP-MQM-PML-N/Q again, and you would be fighting with sticks --with "gunships" written on them