Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[iLION12345_1]

Those are not for T-129 sadly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409778232837263363

 

[Blacklight]

Those are not for T-129 sadly.

Look on the bright side, the sooner ATAK-2 flies, the sooner we can evaluate it.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Look on the bright side, the sooner ATAK-2 flies, the sooner we can evaluate it.

Can convert credit line from T129 to Atak 2 , if it provide satisfaction to PAA after evaluation

 

[Blacklight]

Can convert credit line from T129 to Atak 2 , if it provide satisfaction to PAA after evaluation

Too early to say. Turkeys ambitions in Afgh could dictate a lot.

 

[mingle]

Too early to say. Turkeys ambitions in Afgh could dictate a lot.

I believe Turkey should think again & again before commit Afghanistan is a Pitt if super powers like US failed Turkey is nobody just relaying Dostum won't take them anywhere my two cents stay away from this
But by committing to airport turkey can also extract US waive from US for Pakistan a real possibility

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Can convert credit line from T129 to Atak 2 , if it provide satisfaction to PAA after evaluation

I won't be surprised if the PAA inputs and specs have already been incorporated!

General characteristics of the T929 Mk-II Heavy Class Attack Helicopter:

10-ton class
2 Turboshaft engines
Weapon stations: 6 x underwing hardpoints
Maximum payload: 1,200kg
Tandem cockpit
4 Axis Autopilot
Service ceiling: 20,000ft
Maximum speed: 318km/h
Operational envelope: -40° to +50°C
Armor: 12.7mm-resistant armored cockpit
Laser based Helicopter Obstacle Detection System (HETS) and Fire Control Radar (MilDAR)
Hot & High Performance
Resistant to environmental factors
High forward speed limit
Advanced electronic warfare and countermeasure systems
High-caliber cannon (30mm), new generation 2,75-inch rockets, long range and anti-tank missiles with different guidance systems and air-to-air missile systems

ATAK-II Contract Signed for the New Heavy Class Attack Helicopter

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Scorpiooo]

Most probably Z10ME/P or May be few Mi35 additionally.
T129 case seems to be doomed thanks to uncle sam

I won't be surprised if the PAA inputs and specs have already been incorporated!

General characteristics of the T929 Mk-II Heavy Class Attack Helicopter:

10-ton class
2 Turboshaft engines
Weapon stations: 6 x underwing hardpoints
Maximum payload: 1,200kg
Tandem cockpit
4 Axis Autopilot
Service ceiling: 20,000ft
Maximum speed: 318km/h
Operational envelope: -40° to +50°C
Armor: 12.7mm-resistant armored cockpit
Laser based Helicopter Obstacle Detection System (HETS) and Fire Control Radar (MilDAR)
Hot & High Performance
Resistant to environmental factors
High forward speed limit
Advanced electronic warfare and countermeasure systems
High-caliber cannon (30mm), new generation 2,75-inch rockets, long range and anti-tank missiles with different guidance systems and air-to-air missile systems

ATAK-II Contract Signed for the New Heavy Class Attack Helicopter

www.defenceturkey.com

Cant say any thing about incorporating PAA specifications in Atak 2 as Turks have there own way of working.
One thing is sure on papers Atak 2 looks promising and possibility of using same engine of MI 17 utility heli, which we already operating in good numbers will big edge for us.
Right know its not clear when its production will be started in actual and when turks want to export it (as they have to fullfill domestic order first)

 

[LegionnairE]

Cant say any thing about incorporating PAA specifications in Atak 2 as Turks have there own way of working.
One thing is sure on papers Atak 2 looks promising and possibility of using same engine of MI 17 utility heli, which we already operating in good numbers will big edge for us.
Right know its not clear when its production will be started in actual and when turks want to export it (as they have to fullfill domestic order first)

In this case domestic order can take the back seat as we don't really need a heavy attack helicopter in a hurry. T-129 is good enough if flown correctly.

 

[mdmm]

Neighbour enemy of Pakistan is buying heavy amount of jet fighters, helicopters, missile S-400 and UAV . But Pakistan army is silent over last ten years ??
Did they buy everything but want to hide it OR Pakistan Army believe in unexpected miracles , when attacked from enemies ??

 

[iLION12345_1]

Neighbour enemy of Pakistan is buying heavy amount of jet fighters, helicopters, missile S-400 and UAV . But Pakistan army is silent over last ten years ??
Did they buy everything but want to hide it OR Pakistan Army believe in unexpected miracles , when attacked from enemies ??

Pakistan army uses its budget to develop the DHA. Air Force uses it to buy Tea for visiting pilots. Navy used it to run Bahria Town. Make money, not war.

 

[Akh1112]

Neighbour enemy of Pakistan is buying heavy amount of jet fighters, helicopters, missile S-400 and UAV . But Pakistan army is silent over last ten years ??
Did they buy everything but want to hide it OR Pakistan Army believe in unexpected miracles , when attacked from enemies ??

Pakistan army is procuring:
new tanks
new spg's
new apc's

pakistan air force is procuring:
more jf-17s
new fighters
new missiles
new a2g weapons
new fighters
new sam's

pakistan navy is procuring:
new missile boats
new frigates
new corvettes
new opvs
new anti ship missiles
new sam's
new submarines



This is just stuff we can talk about.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Pakistan army is procuring:
new tanks
new spg's
new apc's

pakistan air force is procuring:
more jf-17s
new fighters
new missiles
new a2g weapons
new fighters
new sam's

pakistan navy is procuring:
new missile boats
new frigates
new corvettes
new opvs
new anti ship missiles
new sam's
new submarines



This is just stuff we can talk about.

This is also with a very constrained budget. If Pakistan's economy was actually operating at its capacity and generating public revenue, our procurement would be much, much more.

BTW adding to your list, studies are underway for our next SATCOM (it'll have Ka-band, Ku-band, and possibly even X-band) and SAT-IMINT assets. These will launch before 2030.

 

[iLION12345_1]

This is also with a very constrained budget. If Pakistan's economy was actually operating at its capacity and generating public revenue, our procurement would be much, much more.

BTW adding to your list, studies are underway for our next SATCOM (it'll have Ka-band, Ku-band, and possibly even X-band) and SAT-IMINT assets. These will launch before 2030.

Can add other developmental projects in that case too, the radars, drones, Azm, AK-2, the gun-boat designs, list goes on.
New helicopters are coming as well, PA is obviously getting something instead of the T-129, navy is getting more helicopters for both the Type 054A/P and the MILGEM frigates as well.

 

[Akh1112]

This is also with a very constrained budget. If Pakistan's economy was actually operating at its capacity and generating public revenue, our procurement would be much, much more.

BTW adding to your list, studies are underway for our next SATCOM (it'll have Ka-band, Ku-band, and possibly even X-band) and SAT-IMINT assets. These will launch before 2030.

Funnily enough, the PA has already started work on SATCOM, They have the full capabilities now.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Funnily enough, the PA has already started work on SATCOM, They have the full capabilities now.

Yep we have operable SATCOM, but I was just saying, the armed forces will update/expand it with a satellite with way more transponders (and of different types). Each of the tri-services wants UAVs with BLoS, but you add regular communications, network-enablement, etc across all 3, they'll need more capacity up there.