Pakistan Army testing MBT-3000 next moth ?

[Zarvan]

Al khalid are Vt 4 Are Different Tanks We cant Say they are same bcz of them are tanks well they are tanks but thing is they are different 1 is created and customized for Pakistani needs and 2nd made for keeping Chinese and international market in mind
Pak going for vt 4 is not the money problem but keeping future in mind in Future Al khalid will be the backbone of Pak Armour
So Just depending on 1 System Pak is getting 2 to 3 system which are different in a way but also similar so it wont be a night mare for maintenance and and linked to each other
Information is the next gens weapon check the benefits Vt 4 and al khalid are identical so spares wont be the problem crews can maintenance both of these tanks instead of dedicated to only 1 these thinks are small dont look so big but in war these are game changers the force which 1 is linked from soldier to hq , have more units available at all time and can move at minimal time pace will be the winner
@Horus @Zarvan @Armstrong @RAMPAGE
what you guys think

Sir in future we need 3 to 4 major Tanks and we need VT 4 to replace Tanks like TYPE 59 and 69 and 85

 

[Sulman Badshah]

You still need to pay full licence fee.

Contract isn't signed as license production ... It is signed as JV (so in JV there is no license fee)

 

[narcon]

Arey bai 4 saal pehle ye thread khulke ade gante me band ho gaya:

Al Khalid MBT-2000 VS MBT-3000

Ho kya raha hai.....Al Khalid/JF-17 thread khulte band hote....khulte band hote ...

 

[Kompromat]

It's really silly to say PA want to induct VT-4 because the AK-II they are now developing is too expensive... You can always downgraded some parts of the tank to make it cheaper. Please bear in mind that it's definitely not an economic way to develop two different MBT simultaneously and induct both no matter what. No other country in the world have ever done that.
Besides, VT-4 won't come too cheap, it's the most advanced tank China has ever offered in the international market.

No one has implied that AK-II's pricing would define its procurement.

AK-II and VT-4 are two DIFFERENT tanks for DIFFERENT roles. PA wants VT-4 to replace much older tanks in our inventory.

 

[Dazzler]

It's really silly to say PA want to induct VT-4 because the AK-II they are now developing is too expensive... You can always downgraded some parts of the tank to make it cheaper. Please bear in mind that it's definitely not an economic way to develop two different MBT simultaneously and induct both no matter what. No other country in the world have ever done that.
Besides, VT-4 won't come too cheap, it's the most advanced tank China has ever offered in the international market.

it is not even tested yet, how you came to conclusion it would be inducted? The induction of chinese systems has not been easy for Pakistan. We had to do so many changes that it became funny. The Alkhalid story is a classic example of this. Lets count what Pakistan had to do once type-90IIM was considered as "acceptable" for induction.

* HIT was to make 70% of the tank with indigenous and foreign systems

* Engine and transmission (Ukrainian), transmission control (indigenous)

* Armour (mix of indigenous, ukrainian and chinese, AK-1 has indigenous modules)

* Main gun is again based on ukrainian KBA-3 tech, no wonder both guns have metal blanks imported from France. This gun is better than Chinese zpt-98 and Russian 2a46-M4 in general characteristics such as barrel life and chamber pressure and accuracy

* FCS is hybrid, based on French and indigenous technologies, ARSF is responsible for FCS manufacturing in Pakistan since early 2000s

* Thermal imagers are French, Chinese thermal imagers were of poor quality, even the one fitted in VT-4 is of low quality. Entire mbt fleet in Pakistan from Alkhalid, Alzarrar and T-80ud are using French (Catherine FC, Sagem Matis) and Italian (Alzarrar, Thetis) imagers, none is using Chinese ones. Even passive sights are made in house

* First time Chinese saw the Alkhalid with a battle management system in 2005, they barely believed it. Even environment control system was installed since 2003. No chinese mbt to date has an environment control system

* autoloader is all electric with solid state controls, bir direcitonal movement, original AL was prone to jamming, slow and uni directional movement.

* Yes Chinese have helped us to a great deal in ammo manufacturing (125mm guns) but so has Ukrainians (KBA-3 gun) and Romanians and Polish (105mm, 100mm guns) and others. Since 2001, pakistan is self sufficient in tank ammo manufacturing/ upgrading and prototyping of new rounds.

These are some "salient" changes that Pakistan had to take to convert the Type-90IIM into Alkhalid. Do you still believe Pakistan is going to take the same headache again for VT-4??

By the way, the "rumour" is yet to be confirmed.

 

[Darth Vader]

Sir in future we need 3 to 4 major Tanks and we need VT 4 to replace Tanks like TYPE 59 and 69 and 85

Thats What I said But For In future Maybe Pak uses al khalid series nd Vt 4 series as front Line
russian origin tanks as 2nd line of defence and Al zaraar as the last line till they are totally out or for Mountain terrain

it is not even tested yet, how you came to conclusion it would be inducted? The induction of chinese systems has not been easy for Pakistan. We had to do so many changes that it became funny. The Alkhalid story is a classic example of this. Lets count what Pakistan had to do once type-90IIM was considered as "acceptable" for induction.

* HIT was to make 70% of the tank with indigenous and foreign systems

* Engine and transmission (Ukrainian), transmission control (indigenous)

* Armour (mix of indigenous, ukrainian and chinese, AK-1 has indigenous modules)

* Main gun is again based on ukrainian KBA-3 tech, no wonder both guns have metal blanks imported from France. This gun is better than Chinese zpt-98 and Russian 2a46-M4 in general characteristics such as barrel life and chamber pressure and accuracy

* FCS is hybrid, based on French and indigenous technologies, ARSF is responsible for FCS manufacturing in Pakistan since early 2000s

* Thermal imagers are French, Chinese thermal imagers were of poor quality, even the one fitted in VT-4 is of low quality. Entire mbt fleet in Pakistan from Alkhalid, Alzarrar and T-80ud are using French (Catherine FC, Sagem Matis) and Italian (Alzarrar, Thetis) imagers, none is using Chinese ones. Even passive sights are made in house

* First time Chinese saw the Alkhalid with a battle management system in 2005, they barely believed it. Even environment control system was installed since 2003. No chinese mbt to date has an environment control system

* autoloader is all electric with solid state controls, bir direcitonal movement, original AL was prone to jamming, slow and uni directional movement.

* Yes Chinese have helped us to a great deal in ammo manufacturing (125mm guns) but so has Ukrainians (KBA-3 gun) and Romanians and Polish (105mm, 100mm guns) and others. Since 2001, pakistan is self sufficient in tank ammo manufacturing/ upgrading and prototyping of new rounds.

These are some "salient" changes that Pakistan had to take to convert the Type-90IIM into Alkhalid. Do you still believe Pakistan is going to take the same headache again for VT-4??

By the way, the "rumour" is yet to be confirmed.

it just my opinion if Vt 4 passes all the trials and PA thinks its a worthy tank they will definitely go for it Why Once Cz our engineers had already done this in past so now can they do it more easily , And it will give a little extra boots to Pak armour cz pak is making Al khalid at very slow pace they are buzzy with al khalid 1 or 2 No idea which one but still this can add it the numbers up and this will in the end help to replace few older tanks

 

[Zarvan]

Our discussion was not about mbt3000.. Topic was" whether al khalid 1 inducted or not??".. He said al khalid 1 was in production from 2010..

The up gradation we did in 2010 was not called Al Khalid 1 they kept the name Al Khalid but now the Tank which will be shown in IDEX 2014 will be AL KHALID 1 and its pretty much a new Tank

 

[WaLeEdK2]

The up gradation we did in 2010 was not called Al Khalid 1 they kept the name Al Khalid but now the Tank which will be shown in IDEX 2014 will be AL KHALID 1 and its pretty much a new Tank

Then what about AK2?

 

[Zarvan]

Then what about AK2?

People here on forum use term AK 2 there is no such thing The new Tank is AK 1 not AK 2

 

[Basel]

4 years??? Then what is this news??
Pakistan, China sign contract for manufacturing Al-Khalid-I tank - Economic Times
Pakistan, China sign contract for manufacturing Al-Khalid-I tank
PTIDec 31, 2012, 09.46PM IST


ISLAMABAD: State-run companies of Pakistan and China today signed a contract for manufacturing the Al-Khalid-I tank, the latest version of the combat vehicle jointly developed by the two countries.
The Al-Khalid tank was developed in the 1990s and introduced in 2001.
The new version has improved capability and systems, an official statement said.
The contract for making the new tanks was signed by Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila and China'sNORINCO at the Ministry of Defence Production.
Contact signed in 2012 dec.. Produced in 2010???

If Pakistan purchased MBT-3000 it is said that it will be known as Al-Haider not AK, but I m not happy with this news, because it hampers our own industries modernization. I want know know what is so important that we are going for this tank??

 

[Zarvan]

If Pakistan purchased MBT-3000 it is said that it will be known as Al-Haider not AK, but I m not happy with this news, because it hampers our own industries modernization. I want know know what is so important that we are going for this tank??

Because we are already working on a new Tank Al Khalid II but AL KHALID II is different class we can't afford to completely start new Tank like MBT 3000 to replace Tanks like TYPE 59 and 69 and 85 so we decided to get this from China along with AK 2 and Type 80 UD and Al Zarrar we would be giants

 

[Lil Mathew]

The up gradation we did in 2010 was not called Al Khalid 1 they kept the name Al Khalid but now the Tank which will be shown in IDEX 2014 will be AL KHALID 1 and its pretty much a new Tank

What upgrades were done in 2010?? Please give a source..

 

[Dazzler]

What upgrades were done in 2010?? Please give a source..

dont be so lazy, google it or see alkhalid info pool in army section

 

[Zarvan]

dont be so lazy, google it or see alkhalid info pool in army section

But still sir posts details once again

 

[Asian.Century]

MBT 3000 will be shown in IDEAS 2014 Defence and Seminar Exhibition to be held in first week of December.