Pakistan Army Question Thread

[Tang0]

The "Elite" Republican Guard did have some T-80's, but the majority of Iraqi tanks were T-72's and T-55's. Anyway, do the PA tanks still have issues with the autoloader, or did the Ukrainians fix that? Also, was there not some new tank project going on with the Chinese? What ever happened to it?

 

[shehbazi2001]

Range Calculation

If we want to know the range or distance between two points on the map, we just measure a straight line between those two points.

As the earth is not flat, but is almost round like sphere, then does a straight line give accurate range?

The range/distance between two points on earth is always a "circular arc" not a straight line.

Are all the maps compensated for this fact?? or ordinary maps just give a comparative picture of the geography????

 

[Tang0]

There is a fairly simple arctangent function that can be used to calculate the distance between two points given their coordinates. There is a couple of hundred meters of distortion every 50 or so miles at the latitudes of Pakistan, so unless you are trying to fire precision munitions, it does not matter so much. The closer you are to the poles, the more flat maps distort, however, this is only if you need to show other latitudes. Long story short, unless your paper map covers a really huge area(Latitude wise), it does not matter. No really accurate measurements are done strictly with a ruler and map these days anyway. Computerized maps usually account for the curvature of the earths surface.

 

[Tang0]

If you are really interested in how it is done, here is a link.

How To Calculate Distances, Azimuths and Elevation Angles Of Peaks

 

[araz]

Does anyone know what happened with the 115 M109A5 Howitzers that the US was going to provide us. Have we started receiving them or things are still in limbo, or the deal has not been taken up.
Thanks in advance
Araz

 

[fatman17]

Does anyone know what happened with the 115 M109A5 Howitzers that the US was going to provide us. Have we started receiving them or things are still in limbo, or the deal has not been taken up.
Thanks in advance
Araz

relax bro! they are being delivered - no problems.

 

[araz]

relax bro! they are being delivered - no problems.

Thank you. I also wannted to know what PA s projected requirement would be if it went for the turkish system,
Araz

 

[fatman17]

Thank you. I also wannted to know what PA s projected requirement would be if it went for the turkish system,
Araz

depends on which system the PA wants to discontinue. like upgrading / replacing the 130mm guns with the 155 mm towed artillery.

 

[blain2]

Thank you. I also wannted to know what PA s projected requirement would be if it went for the turkish system,
Araz

Pretty large. We have approx. 300+ T-59 130mm Chinese Towed guns. If PA wanted to replace them (they probably will not be retrofitted to 155mm), then you can see it would be a pretty large undertaking. I suspect something collaborative would be done at HIT.

 

[shehbazi2001]

Guns and Super Guns

For army artillery, 155mm calibre seems to be the limit. Is there any reason that 155mm has been standardised all over the world now.....?

In the history, we know that Super Guns have been used. Germans used "Paris Gun" of First WW, with a bore of 210mm and range of 120km.

"The first supergun was the Great Turkish Bombard, used by the troops of Mehmed II to capture Constantinople in 1453. It had a 762 mm bore, and fired 680 kg (1500 lb) stones"

Generally speaking, what is the limit between a traditional gun and a super gun? Is 155mm the limit?

Alongwith super guns, Super Howtizers like "Big Bertha" of 420mm were also used in First World War by Germans.

Navals guns seem to be the largest in use today and in the history with 16 inch and 18 inch calibre guns abroad the warships of Second World War. But these ships of 16inch guns were re-used against Iraq in First Gulf War and were also used in Vietnam war. So they are not totally out of service.

These are the Iowa Class Batteships of USN. See the link for a good firing shot

Iowa class battleship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[blain2]

Guns and Super Guns

For army artillery, 155mm calibre seems to be the limit. Is there any reason that 155mm has been standardised all over the world now.....?

In the history, we know that Super Guns have been used. Germans used "Paris Gun" of First WW, with a bore of 210mm and range of 120km.

"The first supergun was the Great Turkish Bombard, used by the troops of Mehmed II to capture Constantinople in 1453. It had a 762 mm bore, and fired 680 kg (1500 lb) stones"

Generally speaking, what is the limit between a traditional gun and a super gun? Is 155mm the limit?

Alongwith super guns, Super Howtizers like "Big Bertha" of 420mm were also used in First World War by Germans.

Navals guns seem to be the largest in use today and in the history with 16 inch and 18 inch calibre guns abroad the warships of Second World War. But these ships of 16inch guns were re-used against Iraq in First Gulf War and were also used in Vietnam war. So they are not totally out of service.

These are the Iowa Class Batteships of USN. See the link for a good firing shot

Iowa class battleship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The idea behind standardization is to streamline logistics, support and engineering. Currently ASC would have to keep the Artillery supplied with at least 3 different types of ammunitions for to keep its heavy regts on the go. These include 130mm, 155mm and 203mm guns. The heavier you go, the more headache with towing (unless they are SP), engineering, recovery.

The USN used whatever was at their disposal. This included the guns that your refer to. However if you look at the trends nowadays, even 203mm has been withdrawn from service in the US Army and Marine Corps.

155mm provides enough punch, range and variety of payloads for it to become a very good solution as a replacement for all others. Plus it is also much easier for the POF to support this requirement instead of having to do so for multiple calibers (keep in mind that besides the above 3, PA also uses 105mm howitzers, 122mm (D-30s), and various other field guns the need for which will remain even if all of the heavier regiments are streamlined to 155mm cal.).

I think the heavier calibers in the past were used for destruction of infrastructure...this being considered a little inhumane, I doubt the trend would go back to massive guns with massive ranges but little accuracy.

 

[Owais]

I have a question here.
what makes Al Khalid Inferior to T90? why does AK don't have ATGM capability??

 

[fatman17]

No /2008-ISPR Dated 14-8-2008

Kakul, August 14: To mark the 61st Independence Day in a befitting manner, a spectacular Army parade was held at the elegantly lit drill square of Pakistan Military Academy at midnight on 13-14 August.
The Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, was the chief guest on this occasion. He unfurled the national flag on the dawn of 61st Independence Day.
In his address, The Chief of Army Staff said that Independence Day reminds us that Azadi is a precious gift that we must honour and preserve. This we not only owe to our future generations but to Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah himself. He said it is a moment to uphold Quaid’s principles of Unity, Faith and Discipline. “Azadi is not a short-lived feeling. It is indeed a strategy of existence for all times to come; an essence to our national security”, he said. COAS said that the new tradition of “Azadi Parade’ today carried both a ‘sense of history’ and a ‘vision for future’. He said that this occasion reminds us of the “indomitable will” of the Muslims of Sub-continent to establish a homeland. “I have full faith that the dream of Pakistan and its vision is as valid for today and tomorrow, as it was in 1947”, he added. COAS reiterated the resolve that Pakistan Army will always rise to call of the nation and will make Pakistan proud amongst the comity of nation. He said “I have no doubt, that as a nation, we have the capability and capacity to surmount all the challenges confronting us today. General Kayani said that Pakistan desires to coexist in peace with its neighbors and beyond. He said that the peace with honour and dignity and Azadi with grace can only be guaranteed from a position of strength. He said “Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty”.
Earlier on arrival at the parade venue, The Chief of Army Staff was presented with the general salute. Spectacular fire works and Military Brass and Pipe Band display marked the culmination of the parade.
A large number of people from all walks of life, senior serving and retired civil and military officials witnessed the spectacular parade at Pakistan Military Academy to mark the sixty first Independence Day.

 

[fatman17]

No /2008-ISPR Dated 13-8-2008

Rawalpindi, August 13: Government of Pakistan has announced honours and awards for the Armed Forces of Pakistan on the occasion of 61st Independence of Pakistan. Details are as follow:-

Sitara-i-Jurat has been awarded to Sepoy Maqbool Hussain, (Retd).

does anyone know the history behind this award to this NCO who is in his 80's!

 

[UnKnOwN]

What type of gun is the guy in the front right holding?