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Pakistan Army Major and Sepoy martyred in IED blast at Pak-Afghan border: ISPR

Pakistan will have to be ruthless to punish people who do harm to Pakistan. The knee jerk reactions only cause uproar and the loss of repute as well. They need to take them out beyond our borders. For every attack the response should be of disproportional size otherwise the blood of our men will continue to flow.

I agree with every word you say, but this is very unlikely. Pak army and the government want a "peaceful" solution which is non-existent. The Pak army and government are in appeasment mode. The bleeding will continue.
 
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Totally unacceptable. Another officer and Jawan have lost their precious lives against coward tactics of those rodents. Military officials should think seriously about replacing those Toyota trucks which are proven to be death traps against IED's and ambushes. Those brave souls are not meant to be lost in such away. At least provide them armoured vehicles to move along the border. Such incidents hurt deeply. May Allah give Sabr to their families. May Allah reward their sacrifices on the highest scale possible.

@HRK @Signalian

Right, the total security situation of Pakistan is unacceptable since 2001, therefore I will write my recommendation to minimize IED planters (terrorists) and to confront the ambush attacks on our Forces. I will only focus on the role of Infantry and not Intelegencies failures or the law and order, the government of Pakistan does not have the absolute control of every human living, leaving, entering in Pakistan like China, USA or Germany, the best example is Gulalai Ismail escaped and will beat us in future who knows what she is planing,but these things were already discussed and spoken by @Signalian. I will write based on my training and lecture as Ex-Infantirist, observation of these war since 2001.

In 2015 and 2016 before operation Zarb-e-Azb started, we could observe that porous borders and sporadically build and manned post are continuously over runed and attacked, heavy casualties and deep penetration of enemy infiltration in our Citys was the result. The situation was out of control, in these days I did wrote already that we need manned heavy border Forts and tower with heavy weapons, that we have to fence the Border, I was criticized for that "Its too expensive, it's impossible, we don't have the manpower". ....but where is a will there is a way, now we have "Hamza Forts" and are Fencing the Border! So we found out a very old and medieval method, castles originated from the 9th and 10th centuries combined with arms is the way forward, our Forts are now equipped with Tanks, short-range Artillery, Mortars, 106mm recoilless guns, AA Guns, 12.7mm Aa Guns, Snipers and even Manpads..... But whats about the open land masses and mountains? We don't have the resources and technical capacity to watch and observe 24 hours every inch of the North and South Waziristan as @Signalian mentioned even UAV cant circle around 24 hours every square kilometre, MRAPS can save lives, but do not prevent the attacks, attack Helicopters cant take out IED planters, the root of the problem are humans, which have to make their ways in our Citys and lands. And this human infiltration can be fought in our case with human foot patrol Infantry.

From what I know, I did read and I have observed, Pakistan Army and FC have not a !!!---widespread and effective Long-range reconnaissance patrol network and system---- !!!


The Key Idea is to patrol large areas, forests and mountains, by foot Soldier Partys, which is more effective, because if the Infantry is attacked by an IED or an ambush, the risk and chance that whole Party or units get blown up in a vehicle are much lesser why?

- Infantry on foot can faster response to enemy fire or ambush because it's already dismounted, sitting 6 men in a truck have less reaction time, and can't use all their human observation senses effectively
- searching for cover will be faster
- Infantry on foot is stealthier than a pickup or truck because foot soldiers can camouflage themselves
- infantry on foot gives a minimize target profile (its easier to aim and fire on a big pick up than a single Soldier who is lying on the ground and will response the enemy fire in less than a minute, ..)
- Infantry on foot can locate the enemy fire faster and fire back
-causalities can be reduced, whole Party cant be blown up by IED because Infantry patrols in an intelligent way, not all soldiers will patrol on the same line and way, they will be spread over a line
- Infantry has the chance to confront suspects activities while patroling and maybe the chance to counter the enemy infiltration
- foot patroling Infantry must be given right and technical equipment to control and stop every citizen (so they can re-check the identity of the person with the home base or even NADRA...)
-advantage of foot patroling Infantry over check posts and truck/pick up/ vehicle patrols it's more mobile and can reach difficult terrains
- showing presence during a patrol in mountains and open lands, the forest is a message to the enemy that now every inch can be and will be observed
- chances that our infantry will meet enemy party gets higher and higher after patrol activities get implemented on large areas and systematically
-gathering of critical intelligence, enable or support a joint strike measure on call by nearby posts or accident-attack
- patrolling at night and in the daytime, and to provide documentation and analysis of gathered intelligence through reconnaissance



IED planting in open land, ambush in open land or Urban areas, cross Border attacks countered by foot patrol Infantry:

- a platoon 50 Soldiers, divided into 3 partys, 17 Soldiers in Alpha, 17 Soldiers in Bravo, 16 Soldiers in Charlie is tasked with patrolling a 100 km zone
- patrol areas will be well-known Border areas and inland zone, where attacks happened often
- every Party will patrol with a K-9 DOG which is specialized on snuffing IED and mines
- every Party of the Patrol must have the capacity to be independent of logistic supplies such as ration, medics, water, foood and shelter from main posts and base for more than 3 days
-every Party must be equipped with an IEA detector with a trained IED locker
- every Part must have a sniper
- every Party must have the capability to call close air support from Cobra Helicopters on the fastest way as possible
- every Party must have the option to call for airborne Heli reinforcement troops the fastest way as possible


Everyone should ask himself here why such an attack happen more and often in Pakistan than India, in my opinion, their Border fencings is not the main reason but the high presence of patrols, India has since the 1960s the
Special Frontier Force- long-range reconnaissance patrol or pathfinder and we? Please don't compare Long-range reconnaissance patrol with SSG...
 
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Since the martyred major is from Karachi I would like to tag racist in chief on this forum @Indus Pakistan to come and say trash about the martyred officer
Salute the officer concerned. Do note however where most soldiers come from? In my district nearly every family has a son in the army.

Anyways everything is fair for creation of pakhtunistan.
Not really. That province is already 'Khyber Pakhtunkwa". You need to find out the meaning "Sindh". There is no 'M' in it. Good luck with your transplanted 'Ganga by the Sea".
 
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@HRK @Signalian

Right, the total security situation of Pakistan is unacceptable since 2001, therefore I will write my recommendation to minimize IED planters (terrorists) and to confront the ambush attacks on our Forces. I will only focus on the role of Infantry and not Intelegencies failures or the law and order, the government of Pakistan does not have the absolute control of every human living, leaving, entering in Pakistan like China, USA or Germany, the best example is Gulalai Ismail escaped and will beat us in future who knows what she is planing,but these things were already discussed and spoken by @Signalian. I will write based on my training and lecture as Ex-Infantirist, observation of these war since 2001.

In 2015 and 2016 before operation Zarb-e-Azb started, we could observe that porous borders and sporadically build and manned post are continuously over runed and attacked, heavy casualties and deep penetration of enemy infiltration in our Citys was the result. The situation was out of control, in these days I did wrote already that we need manned heavy border Forts and tower with heavy weapons, that we have to fence the Border, I was criticized for that "Its too expensive, it's impossible, we don't have the manpower". ....but where is a will there is a way, now we have "Hamza Forts" and are Fencing the Border! So we found out a very old and medieval method, castles originated from the 9th and 10th centuries combined with arms is the way forward, our Forts are now equipped with Tanks, short-range Artillery, Mortars, 106mm recoilless guns, AA Guns, 12.7mm Aa Guns, Snipers and even Manpads..... But whats about the open land masses and mountains? We don't have the resources and technical capacity to watch and observe 24 hours every inch of the North and South Waziristan as @Signalian mentioned even UAV cant circle around 24 hours every square kilometre, MRAPS can save lives, but do not prevent the attacks, attack Helicopters cant take out IED planters, the root of the problem are humans, which have to make their ways in our Citys and lands. And this human infiltration can be fought in our case with human foot patrol Infantry.

From what I know, I did read and I have observed, Pakistan Army and FC have not a !!!---widespread and effective Long-range reconnaissance patrol network and system---- !!!


The Key Idea is to patrol large areas, forests and mountains, by foot Soldier Partys, which is more effective, because if the Infantry is attacked by an IED or an ambush, the risk and chance that whole Party or units get blown up in a vehicle are much lesser why?

- Infantry on foot can faster response to enemy fire or ambush because it's already dismounted, sitting 6 men in a truck have less reaction time, and can't use all their human observation senses effectively
- searching for cover will be faster
- Infantry on foot is stealthier than a pickup or truck because foot soldiers can camouflage themselves
- infantry on foot gives a minimize target profile (its easier to aim and fire on a big pick up than a single Soldier who is lying on the ground and will response the enemy fire in less than a minute, ..)
- Infantry on foot can locate the enemy fire faster and fire back
-causalities can be reduced, whole Party cant be blown up by IED because Infantry patrols in an intelligent way, not all soldiers will patrol on the same line and way, they will be spread over a line
- Infantry has the chance to confront suspects activities while patroling and maybe the chance to counter the enemy infiltration
- foot patroling Infantry must be given right and technical equipment to control and stop every citizen (so they can re-check the identity of the person with the home base or even NADRA...)
-advantage of foot patroling Infantry over check posts and truck/pick up/ vehicle patrols it's more mobile and can reach difficult terrains
- showing presence during a patrol in mountains and open lands, the forest is a message to the enemy that now every inch can be and will be observed
- chances that our infantry will meet enemy party gets higher and higher after patrol activities get implemented on large areas and systematically
-gathering of critical intelligence, enable or support a joint strike measure on call by nearby posts or accident-attack
- patrolling at night and in the daytime, and to provide documentation and analysis of gathered intelligence through reconnaissance



IED planting in open land, ambush in open land or Urban areas, cross Border attacks countered by foot patrol Infantry:

- a platoon 50 Soldiers, divided into 3 partys, 17 Soldiers in Alpha, 17 Soldiers in Bravo, 16 Soldiers in Charlie is tasked with patrolling a 100 km zone
- patrol areas will be well-known Border areas and inland zone, where attacks happened often
- every Party will patrol with a K-9 DOG which is specialized on snuffing IED and mines
- every Party of the Patrol must have the capacity to be independent of logistic supplies such as ration, medics, water, foood and shelter from main posts and base for more than 3 days
-every Party must be equipped with an IEA detector with a trained IED locker
- every Part must have a sniper
- every Party must have the capability to call close air support from Cobra Helicopters on the fastest way as possible
- every Party must have the option to call for airborne Heli reinforcement troops the fastest way as possible


Everyone should ask himself here why such an attack happen more and often in Pakistan than India, in my opinion, their Border fencings is not the main reason but the high presence of patrols, India has since the 1960s the
Special Frontier Force- long-range reconnaissance patrol or pathfinder and we? Please don't compare Long-range reconnaissance patrol with SSG...

@HRK don't need a thank, but your excellent thoughts on Long-range reconnaissance patrol ...

 
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Since the martyred major is from Karachi I would like to tag racist in chief on this forum @Indus Pakistan to come and say trash about the martyred officer
Araaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay some facts for you about the composition of the military. Wars are not won by eating copious amounts of biriani.

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Next time you get funny ideas about how your holiding Pakistan on your shoulders just glance at these figures. And don't forget it's these guys preventing your old neighbours you ran away from Lucknow from spilling over into Pakistan.
 
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Salute the officer concerned. Do note however where most soldiers come from? In my district nearly every family has a son in the army.

Not really. That province is already 'Khyber Pakhtunkwa". You need to find out the meaning "Sindh". There is no 'M' in it. Good luck with your transplanted 'Ganga by the Sea".

Araaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay some facts for you about the composition of the military. Wars are not won by eating copious amounts of biriani.

GFQzEm4.png



Next time you get funny ideas about how your holiding Pakistan on your shoulders just glance at these figures. And don't forget it's these guys preventing your old neighbours you ran away from Lucknow from spilling over into Pakistan.

You got way too defensive racist in chief

You again missed the point that it is you who is racist and not me. I would be equally sad at martyrdom of an officer from KPK or any other part of Pakistan as I am at the death of Major Adeel

You are continuously missing this point that racism exists in you and not me. :lol:
 
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Everyone should ask himself here why such an attack happen more and often in Pakistan than India,
Your post give a good solution to the problem on tactical level and its not only that a practical solution but its already under practice by FC but in smaller scale on border then the scale you are suggesting

Now I if you notice these current IEDs attacks are now targeting either patrolling parties or the teams of workers working on fencing of Pak-Afghan border; here recall the current statement of Afghan foreign office stating official stance of Afghan government of not accepting Pak-Afghan border, which mean these attacks are either encouraged or supported by Afghan government at least on political grounds if not actively supported by means of men and material although different reports suggest involvement of Afghan authorities in this as well.

This make it more of a foreign sponsored Political issue which is causing security problems for Pakistan, than a security issue solely related to any of the local or indigenous factor. Again your suggestion is good and practical and as I have noted earlier and it is in practised by Pakistani Forces on a smaller scale, but it won't resolve the issue of deaths of our people and soldiers at Pak-Afghan border as it is basically a uni-dimensional solution addressing a single aspect of the problem. IED attacks are just one modus operandi of anti-Pakistan forces operating across the Pak-Afghan border, cross border firing, sniper attacks and attacks on or posts on the border posts and patrolling parties are the others methods and these would increase further If we try to address their attacks in unilateral manner with singular dimensional approach.

So what should be the Political solution .... ???

In my opinion there are number of political solutions available to address this issue but no Political will at our side
 
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@HRK don't need a thank, but your excellent thoughts on Long-range reconnaissance patrol ...


Few days ago I was discussing with @Signalian that we are criminally neglecting the protection of our soldiers , look that the ambush , FC has no cover and can't even hide in their cars .. No protection from even a SMG fire, Shame on our top level generals .
 
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Few days ago I was discussing with @Signalian that we are criminally neglecting the protection of our soldiers , look that the ambush , FC has no cover and can't even hide in their cars .. No protection from even a SMG fire, Shame on our top level generals .

As @denel has suggested many times there are many secondhand MARPs available in SA just get them and give it to FC Baluchistan and KPK
 
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As @denel has suggested many times there are many secondhand MARPs available in SA just get them and give it to FC Baluchistan and KPK

100% agree, honestly speaking I don't understand why our General are not doing anything about this issue ? is it because they don't get to be ambushed ? I have seen countless Videos from Afghanistan and Iraq where US forces are pinned down but they have covered in their MRAP's, they wait in their or cover until the back-up arrive .. This is very saddening to see our soldiers dying on the streets with no cover , fighting for their lives and waiting for some help from Allah and our Generals, its really heart breaking .
 
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100% agree, honestly speaking I don't understand why our General are not doing anything about this issue ? is it because they don't get to be ambushed ? I have seen countless Videos from Afghanistan and Iraq where US forces are pinned down but they have covered in their MRAP's, they wait in their or cover until the back-up arrive .. This is very saddening to see our soldiers dying on the streets with no cover , fighting for their lives and waiting for some help from Allah and our Generals, its really heart breaking .
They dont care because it is not their kids on the front. They want to promote martydom but no protection for them. Sorry for my engles, it is a load of rubbish.
Everyone in the world is using our vehicles and why not Pak - instead they got hand me downs MaxProo. Really, come guys, there are thousands of surplus vehicles and consortiums now dealing in these. Instead of hilux death traps or quasi mine proof vehicles get the real deal. Casspir, buffels, mambas to name a few.
Americans learnt the hard way how humvees were death traps; then woke up and bought thousands and then brought over our engineers to design them their vehicles - oshkosh etc.
 
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Fauji Foundation has gone towards the commercial route from being a welfare organization. The common soldier fighting needs to be given more attention rather than the people sitting at top posts. I hope we cut the luxuries we have and focus on necessities.
Start with the BMWs

Since the martyred major is from Karachi I would like to tag racist in chief on this forum @Indus Pakistan to come and say trash about the martyred officer

Anyways everything is fair for creation of pakhtunistan. Right @Indus Pakistan??
Here comes the pakhtoon hate, this is exactly what MQM feeds on and these people provide them this racist attitudes.
 
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