Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

[Flash_Ninja]

We Indians are fortunate to have an independent media

Our media is entitled to question / praise / critisize / honour our Leaders and our Defence forces

Our media announces the casualties incurred and caused accurately.

Our media celebrate our victories and brings to us videos of the state funerals given to every Indian martyr

But I understand that these things are too difficult to understand if you live in a democratic setup which can be overthrown anytime by military. OR you are having a media who is prone to ' Lifafa Culture '.

Anything said against your Army is turned into ' Dawn Leaks ' where until some politicians and media persons are sacrificed at the behest of your forces the matter is never resolved.

But nobody can question your forces for 1971 or Kargil Debacle

YES, We got a every reason to Dance on every genuine or fake claim

Joke of the week right here people

You seriously think your media is free and independent? Lets check what the World Press freedom index says about that:

Your great independent media is ranked at 136, and went down 3 places

Meanwhile the oppressive propaganda state of Pakistan is ranked at, *drumroll*...... 139! and actually went up 8 places

I genuinely feel sorry for you people, you are fed lie after lie and have such an obsessive nature that you feel the need to brag about those lies on internet forums of other countries.

@Areesh @Windjammer

 

[Tameem]

Ok, so let me understand this: A handful of Pakistani BATs were able to infiltrate heavily fenced LOC under full view of thermal cameras and drones, were able to kill two Indian soldiers, were able to mutilate them and were able to go home for drinks without being engaged by the Indians? - @Icarus

And Leaves one witness unharmed as well.

 

[RISING SUN]

Sure but you didn't quite justice to all the holes in the story :-/

Your rants & pricking don't work on me.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Will any army accept it? Its totally against human rights. Nobody will accept it even if they do it.

indians accepted it many times and called it a great operation.

 

[Icarus]

Ok, so let me understand this: A handful of Pakistani BATs were able to infiltrate heavily fenced LOC under full view of thermal cameras and drones, were able to kill two Indian soldiers, were able to mutilate them and were able to go home for drinks without being engaged by the Indians? - @Icarus

I've gone over this quite a few times. Firstly, the PA does not maintain any formation known as BAT, the Indians have chalked up everything from the murder of their men to the disappearance of the CO's puppy (THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED) to this mysterious organization.

Secondly, 200 meters in Kashmir in most cases in uncrossable territory. There's two slopes in clear view of the opposing side, a gorge, a river and several minefields to navigate.

Lastly, missions are sanctioned and carried out in the pursuit of specific strategic objectives. Getting the heads of dead Indians is not something you can pitch to your men and expect them to run into cross fire for. They'd probably tell their commander that the enemy is not pretty enough to risk their lives for their mugs and they would much rather take his head

Your rants & pricking don't work on me.

There are no rants and pricking involved, you engaged with the matter from the position of visible confidence. I merely want you to substantiate the VERY visible shortcomings in the Indian narratives since you like to masquerade like the quasi-spokesperson for the Northern Command.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Seems like the Indian soldiers faced a bear , in woods

 

[RISING SUN]

I have operational experience not a key board warrior I can dissect cooked up story in minutes.

Everybody takes cover during shelling then why your petrol party is on loose?
How can Pakistani soldier cross border under intense fire since bullets don't know that this is our soldier?

Why so called BAT team kills and mutilated only two when they easily kill remaining injured?

Your soldiers killed by mortars and ATGMs (rockets).

To save your laal @ss your officers making stories to gain sympathy and to defame Pakistan which further escalate the tension.

Advise them not to lie and accept the beating.

If you would had sound logic understanding, you could had guessed rough acts which might have happened there. My logical thinking says 9 member forward deployed team went to check on mines laying claim by Pakistan military. As soon as they were in open, PA opened fire with rockets and mortars in which three might have got injured with two dying later or two might have succumbed to death immediately and one lightly injured. Injured person would have went for cover nearby as they might have been beyond security wires. After this PA would had opened cover fire and BAT team would have come few meters inside India and mutilated two bodies lying there. This might be true or wrong I don't know. What I know that IA will payback with interest.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

The land borders are huge and there are isolated patrol zones where only a few guards are available at any time.

This is when your soldiers strike.

Tell me, what fun do you get doing this?

Now we will have to kill your soldiers... then you will kill ours... then we will kill yours....

Where does this end?

What is the benefit of this?

Does this not get into the heads of your generals who run your country that this mindless violence is such a waste of good opportune time.

Where is the benefit of doing all this?

according to indian media the party consisted of 9 men. 2 dead. rest ran away i guess.

Mortar fire and small arms fire was exchanged.

That is clear.

Mutiliation is also clearly reported.

The place where it happened doesn't have any 'angry villagers'. All that melodrama only happens in Srinagar valley. Not borders.

mutilation using mortors. It's natural.

 

[RISING SUN]

indians were giving impression that Pakistan started firing but you couldn't reply due to dismantled weapons.

How to reply to your posts is beyond me. I mean really how do you people presume story and push them as truth.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

How to reply to your posts is beyond me. I mean really how do you people presume story and push them as truth.

i never assumed it. Indians everywhere are using this term silent mode. And even saying it that because of this reason Pakistan army succeeded in accurately firing of mortors.

 

[Zarvan]

‘A pre-planned operation’: How Pakistan army carried out an attack 250 metres inside Indian territory

Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT) set up the ambush and waited for a long time for the patrol team, while Pakistani troops attacked two forward posts with rockets and mortar bombs along the Line of Control.(AFP Photo )

An Indian Army patrol team was taken by surprise by a group of Pakistani special forces who had set up an ambush more than 250 metres deep inside Indian territory early on Monday morning and beheaded two security personnel.
Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT) set up the ambush and waited for a long time for the patrol team, while Pakistani troops attacked two forward posts with rockets and mortar bombs along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir.

“It was a pre-planned operation by Pakistan army. They had pushed in the Border Action Team over 250 metres deep inside Indian territory and set up the ambush over a long period to carry out the attack,” a senior officer said.






“Their target was a patrol party of 7-8 members, which had come out of a post,” the officer said, adding that as the posts were engaged, the patrol team members ran for cover. In the process, two members were left behind and targeted by the BAT.

Head constable Prem Sagar of 200th Battalion of the BSF and Naib Subedar Paramjeet Singh of 22 Sikh Regiment of the army were killed and their bodies mutilated.

The BAT is specifically employed for trans-LoC action.

In Pakistan, the SSG (special services group) forms the core of BAT. Its primary task is to dominate the LoC by carrying out disruptive actions in the form of surreptitious raids.

There have been several BAT attacks in the past in which jawans have been beheaded or their bodies mutilated.

On October 28, 2016, militants attacked a post and killed an Indian Army soldier and mutilated his body close to the Line of Control (LoC) in the Machil sector.

In January 2013, Lance Naik Hemraj was killed and his body mutilated by a BAT. It also beheaded Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh. Constable Rajinder Singh of the BSF battalion suffered injuries in the attack.







In June 2008, a soldier of the 2/8 Gorkha Rifles lost his way and was captured by a Pakistani Border Action Team (BAT) in Kel sector. His body was found beheaded after a few days.

During the 1999 Kargil conflict, Captain Saurabh Kalia was tortured by his Pakistani captors who later handed over his mutilated body to India.

In February, 2000, militant Ilyas Kashmiri had led a raid on the Indian Army’s ‘Ashok Listening Post’ in the Nowshera sector to kill seven Indian soldiers. The Kashmiri had taken back to Pakistan the head of a 24-year-old Indian jawan, Bhausaheb Maruti Talekar of the 17 Maratha Light Infantry.

Past incidents of mutilation of Indian soldiers

• May, 1999: Six soldiers on patrol in the Kaksar sector of Jammu and Kashmir were taken captive by the Pakistan army on May 15, 1999. They were tortured for weeks before being killed and their mutilated bodies were handed over to India on June 9. It triggered the Kargil war.
• Feb, 2000: Pakistani terrorist Ilyas Kashmiri led a raid on Indian Army’s Ashok Listening Post in the Noushera sector, killing seven Indian soldiers. He took back to Pakistan the head of one Indian jawan.
• June, 2008: A soldier lost his way and was captured by a Pakistani border action team in Kel sector. His body was found beheaded a few days later.
• Jan, 2013: One soldier was beheaded and another killed by Pakistani troops after they crossed into the Mendhar sector of Jammu and Kashmir.
• Oct 28, 2016: A soldier’s body was found mutilated in Kupwara’s Machil near the Line of Control while the army was engaged in cross-border firing with Pakistan’s army.
• Nov 22, 2016: Suspected Pakistani troops killed three soldiers and mutilated one of the bodies during a gunfight in the Machhil sector along the LoC in Kupwara.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-the-attack/story-4652mIvVQ4Z2aXIoAcv4wI.html

 

[RISING SUN]

Soldiers dead, my sincere sympathies. Loss of life anywhere is regrettable. What I have a problem with is the story afterwards because it makes no tactical sense. I'm only looking for clarity.

Clarity shall be provided in time, no hurry.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

There are no BAT team operated by Pakistan, this thing Indian cooked up for media consumption to portray our unprofessional and barbaric.

true. They are mostly infantry soldier who make ambushes sometimes.
Also the terrorists jokes. I know why they say it but won't tell it here. It's a funny reason but a true one.

 

[RISING SUN]

Balls are needed to fight man to man?

Then why fid your indian soldiers run off leaving their dead comrades to be allegedly mutilated by Pakistanis

Because Indian don't find mutilation happening. It might be norms at your side.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

‘A pre-planned operation’: How Pakistan army carried out an attack 250 metres inside Indian territory

Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT) set up the ambush and waited for a long time for the patrol team, while Pakistani troops attacked two forward posts with rockets and mortar bombs along the Line of Control.(AFP Photo )

An Indian Army patrol team was taken by surprise by a group of Pakistani special forces who had set up an ambush more than 250 metres deep inside Indian territory early on Monday morning and beheaded two security personnel.
Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT) set up the ambush and waited for a long time for the patrol team, while Pakistani troops attacked two forward posts with rockets and mortar bombs along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir.

“It was a pre-planned operation by Pakistan army. They had pushed in the Border Action Team over 250 metres deep inside Indian territory and set up the ambush over a long period to carry out the attack,” a senior officer said.






“Their target was a patrol party of 7-8 members, which had come out of a post,” the officer said, adding that as the posts were engaged, the patrol team members ran for cover. In the process, two members were left behind and targeted by the BAT.

Head constable Prem Sagar of 200th Battalion of the BSF and Naib Subedar Paramjeet Singh of 22 Sikh Regiment of the army were killed and their bodies mutilated.

The BAT is specifically employed for trans-LoC action.

In Pakistan, the SSG (special services group) forms the core of BAT. Its primary task is to dominate the LoC by carrying out disruptive actions in the form of surreptitious raids.

There have been several BAT attacks in the past in which jawans have been beheaded or their bodies mutilated.

On October 28, 2016, militants attacked a post and killed an Indian Army soldier and mutilated his body close to the Line of Control (LoC) in the Machil sector.

In January 2013, Lance Naik Hemraj was killed and his body mutilated by a BAT. It also beheaded Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh. Constable Rajinder Singh of the BSF battalion suffered injuries in the attack.







In June 2008, a soldier of the 2/8 Gorkha Rifles lost his way and was captured by a Pakistani Border Action Team (BAT) in Kel sector. His body was found beheaded after a few days.

During the 1999 Kargil conflict, Captain Saurabh Kalia was tortured by his Pakistani captors who later handed over his mutilated body to India.

In February, 2000, militant Ilyas Kashmiri had led a raid on the Indian Army’s ‘Ashok Listening Post’ in the Nowshera sector to kill seven Indian soldiers. The Kashmiri had taken back to Pakistan the head of a 24-year-old Indian jawan, Bhausaheb Maruti Talekar of the 17 Maratha Light Infantry.

Past incidents of mutilation of Indian soldiers

• May, 1999: Six soldiers on patrol in the Kaksar sector of Jammu and Kashmir were taken captive by the Pakistan army on May 15, 1999. They were tortured for weeks before being killed and their mutilated bodies were handed over to India on June 9. It triggered the Kargil war.
• Feb, 2000: Pakistani terrorist Ilyas Kashmiri led a raid on Indian Army’s Ashok Listening Post in the Noushera sector, killing seven Indian soldiers. He took back to Pakistan the head of one Indian jawan.
• June, 2008: A soldier lost his way and was captured by a Pakistani border action team in Kel sector. His body was found beheaded a few days later.
• Jan, 2013: One soldier was beheaded and another killed by Pakistani troops after they crossed into the Mendhar sector of Jammu and Kashmir.
• Oct 28, 2016: A soldier’s body was found mutilated in Kupwara’s Machil near the Line of Control while the army was engaged in cross-border firing with Pakistan’s army.
• Nov 22, 2016: Suspected Pakistani troops killed three soldiers and mutilated one of the bodies during a gunfight in the Machhil sector along the LoC in Kupwara.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-the-attack/story-4652mIvVQ4Z2aXIoAcv4wI.html

indian army never shared the detail of mutilation. Which means that indians are assuming that they have been beheaded. when indian army have accepted cross border firing and mortor attacks.