Pakistan Army/ FC Response to Taliban attacks on the Durand Line

[hussain0216]

Yes. Pakistan is going to nuke a non nuclear sovereign state when two nuclear superpowers before have not ever even close to crossed that line.

@Bleek India is 100% behind Afghanistan. They are our brothers. None of us is laughing. We want peace in the region and cooperation between countries to uplift our populations and become a regional engine of commerce and development.

Yeah if you wanted that then why did you tuck your tails between your legs and run from Afghanistan, abandoning 2 decades of plotting, planning and investment??????

We told the afghani clearly, we consider Hindus our enemies and we won't tolerate their existence to plot against us in Afghanistan, the fall of the Afghani Republic is partly due to this failure to understand our red lines


The rise of Hindutva extremism was foretold by Jinnah and we cannot allow this hindutva extremist state space

 

[langda khan]

I'm not denying that the Afghans hate Pakistanis.

It just seems pretty clear that the friendship is based upon geopolitical relations.
A stable Afghanistan is in Indian interests, as they will be more of a threat to Pakistan.(We've seen that they hate Pakistanis pretty clearly)

Furthermore, saying that any country is friends with another is almost definitely relative, as there will be people who like and dislike others in any country. Furthermore, Afghans don't have any particular reason to hate Indians, especially when they are keeping the pressure on Pakistan from the other side too

Perfect.

But Afghans are our brothers and sisters nonetheless. Ancestrally.

 

[AlKardai]

Perfect.

But Afghans are our brothers and sisters nonetheless. Ancestrally.

Ancestrally, Afghans conquered the Indian subcontinent in the form of the Lodi empire until the 1500s.

The Mughals did the same after that.

Why do Indians hate those of mughals ancestry more than the Afghans?

 

[langda khan]

Yeah if you wanted that then why did you tuck your tails between your legs and run from Afghanistan, abandoning 2 decades of plotting, planning and investment??????

A change in leadership for us meant we should back away and wait for the first move from them. It has come and we have reciprocated.

Ancestrally, Afghans conquered the Indian subcontinent in the form of the Lodi empire until the 1500s.

The Mughals did the same after that.

Why do Indians hate those of mughals ancestry more than the Afghans?

Well Indians conquered Afghanistan too. Afghanistan in fact was Indian. For the longest part of its history. But that's history now. Wars were fought. We are living in the present. And we cannot change the ties we have to that land and the people over thousands of years. Nor can they. And neither side cares. So why should Pakistan?

 

[AlKardai]

And we cannot change the ties we have to that land and the people over thousands of years. Nor can they. And neither side cares. So why should Pakistan?

That is, in itself, a completely different topic on the partition of Pakistan and the barriers forged once the paper was signed.


The entire reason that Pakistan will always be against India is because the Ideologies of Islam and Hindutva clash.

Islam will never allow itself to be put under the banner of Hindutvadis, even if they share similar blood.
And the entire conflict can be put into that one sentence.

 

[langda khan]

That is, in itself, a completely different topic on the partition of Pakistan and the barriers forged once the paper was signed.


The entire reason that Pakistan will always be against India is because the Ideologies of Islam and Hindutva clash.

Islam will never allow itself to be put under the banner of Hindutvadis, even if they share similar blood.
And the entire conflict can be put into that one sentence.

Son part of some education. India is friends with muslim countries who do not like you, and even borderline or overtly hate you. Iran. Afghanistan. Saudi. Turkey. Bangladesh. All these countries like Indians way more than Pakistanis. Where is the muslim angle and the hindutva angst? Hindutva is directed inwards. Not outwards. We expect something from our muslims and we will get it. Why are you or why should any other muslim be bothered? Do you see Chechen warriors threatening holy wars against us along with Ukraine? ONLY you have a problem with us. And the feeling is wholly mutual. We have a big problem with you. No one else cares. The rest of the muslim world see it as a Hindu or Hindu or Hendi on Hendi fight.

 

[villageidiot]

Yes. Pakistan is going to nuke a non nuclear sovereign state when two nuclear superpowers before have not ever even close to crossed that line.

It's called a joke, sunshine. No wonder you people are so far down the happiness index.
I wouldn't waste a cracker on Afghans, let alone a nuke. Like, cochroaches, they tend to survive everything, likely even nukes.

That is, in itself, a completely different topic on the partition of Pakistan and the barriers forged once the paper was signed.


The entire reason that Pakistan will always be against India is because the Ideologies of Islam and Hindutva clash.

Islam will never allow itself to be put under the banner of Hindutvadis, even if they share similar blood.
And the entire conflict can be put into that one sentence.

There's just something inherently wrong with the imagery of Muslims living under Hindus. I can understand other non-pagan religions like the colonizing british would be tolerable, but it's really rock bottom for Muslims if they are ruled by Hindutvadis

Well Indians conquered Afghanistan too. Afghanistan in fact was Indian

coming up next: afghan & indian sem2sem

 

[Olympus81]

Ancestrally, Afghans conquered the Indian subcontinent in the form of the Lodi empire until the 1500s.

The Mughals did the same after that.

Why do Indians hate those of mughals ancestry more than the Afghans?

I think it is true for Punjabis and Sindhis as well.

Majority of the Pakistanis were at the receiving end of the Afghan, Arab, Mughal, British conquest.

Nothing to be proud of, obviously.

 

[AlKardai]

Son part of some education. India is friends with muslim countries who do not like you, and even borderline or overtly hate you.
Iran. Afghanistan. Saudi. Turkey. Bangladesh. All these countries like Indians way more than Pakistanis.

As per geopolitics, Pakistan poses no strategic or economic value to most muslim countries, who instead see india as a more beneficial investment for relations

Where is the muslim angle and the hindutva angst? Hindutva is directed inwards. Not outwards. We expect something from our muslims and we will get it.

The point is that Islam as an ideology will not allow itself to be subjugated under the banner of Hinduism, or any other religion for that matter.

Also, if Hindutva was directed Inwards, why is it causing issues on the streets of the UK?
There are Hindutvadi speakers coming to preach within the UK and this has caused many clashes between communities here too.

Why are you or why should any other muslim be bothered? Do you see Chechen warriors threatening holy wars against us along with Ukraine? ONLY you have a problem with us.

Don't you worry. They will do so if India tries anything in Azad Kashmir

And the feeling is wholly mutual. We have a big problem with you. No one else cares. The rest of the muslim world see it as a Hindu or Hindu or Hendi on Hendi fight.

Of course they would see it that way.
But this is a paradox. The mutual hating creates more hate which in turn creates more.
And this spiralling will continue until only one state is left standing or neither of them are.

 

[langda khan]

As per geopolitics, Pakistan poses no strategic or economic value to most muslim countries, who instead see india as a more beneficial investment for relations

The point is that Islam as an ideology will not allow itself to be subjugated under the banner of Hinduism, or any other religion for that matter.

Also, if Hindutva was directed Inwards, why is it causing issues on the streets of the UK?
There are Hindutvadi speakers coming to preach within the UK and this has caused many clashes between communities here too.

Don't you worry. They will do so if India tries anything in Azad Kashmir

Of course they would see it that way.
But this is a paradox. The mutual hating creates more hate which in turn creates more.
And this spiralling will continue until only one state is left standing or neither of them are.

I don't know how to split a post here and reply to it in parts. Apologies. As per that angle then, ALL 56 countries would like India and prefer India over you. I have only pointed out muslim countries prominently in the news for having problems with you. Disliking or even hating your people.

No religion or banner rules India. Indians do. But no religion will be allowed to exist outside the envelope of India and our concept of Indianness (Hindutva), while living in India.

The problems in the UK I think arose between Indian gujaratis. Hindus and muslims. As usual, your side jumped in as the flag bearers. And things escalated from there.

OK.

The whole world sees it that way. The whole muslim world sees it that way. Only Pakistanis and some/many Indian muslims do not see it that way. We cannot control you. But our own people need to understand that they are Indians because Hindus let their forefathers remain Indians in spite of near overwhelming muslim support for the creation of Pakistan leading up to our partition. Now that they have made their bed, they cannot be allowed to gather in their pillows and sheets in one corner separately. Ao mil jul ke ek saath sote hain (come let us all sleep together).

 

[AlKardai]

I don't know how to split a post here and reply to it in parts. Apologies. As per that angle then, ALL 56 countries would like India and prefer India over you. I have only pointed out muslim countries prominently in the news for having problems with you. Disliking or even hating your people.

No religion or banner rules India. Indians do. But no religion will be allowed to exist outside the envelope of India and our concept of Indianness (Hindutva), while living in India.

The problems in the UK I think arose between Indian gujaratis. Hindus and muslims. As usual, your side jumped in as the flag bearers. And things escalated from there.

Indian Hindus have been arriving into the city of Leicester and causing problems for years. It's only the invitation of Hindutva preachers and marches that lead to the response.
You call us the flag bearers, but you distinctly stated that Hindutva was a term of Indianness and the Hindutvadi preachers and marches within leicester occurred before the outcry of muslims, so essentially they raised the flag of India beforehand .

OK.

The whole world sees it that way. The whole muslim world sees it that way. Only Pakistanis and some/many Indian muslims do not see it that way. We cannot control you. But our own people need to understand that they are Indians because Hindus let their forefathers remain Indians in spite of near overwhelming muslim support for the creation of Pakistan leading up to our partition. Now that they have made their bed, they cannot be allowed to gather in their pillows and sheets in one corner separately. Ao mil jul ke ek saath sote hain (come let us all sleep together).

you say that Hindutva is based upon the idea of unity within diversity, but why are there many Hindutvadis calling for boycott of Muslims, bulldozing homes and general communal violence on a massive scale?

 

[Olympus81]

What kind of geo politics is this? Akin to cutting off one’s throat to save themselves.

Afghan Transit Trade is the worse thing to have happened. Good destined for Afghanistan are smuggled into Pakistan. This causes loss in import duties and hurts the local industry. And gives rise to black economy.

Stop this obsession with Afghanistan and muslim brotherhood. Look out for Pakistan’s interests first and foremost.

Here is an alternative solution. Get more troops to man the Afghan border with proper safeguards. Any violence from Afghanistan would mean Pakistan given license to go deep inside and eliminate threats as it sees fit. Scrap Afghan Transit Trade and charge duties on goods when they enter Pakistan port.

 

[hussain0216]

Son part of some education. India is friends with muslim countries who do not like you, and even borderline or overtly hate you. Iran. Afghanistan. Saudi. Turkey. Bangladesh. All these countries like Indians way more than Pakistanis. Where is the muslim angle and the hindutva angst? Hindutva is directed inwards. Not outwards. We expect something from our muslims and we will get it. Why are you or why should any other muslim be bothered? Do you see Chechen warriors threatening holy wars against us along with Ukraine? ONLY you have a problem with us. And the feeling is wholly mutual. We have a big problem with you. No one else cares. The rest of the muslim world see it as a Hindu or Hindu or Hendi on Hendi fight.

On the contrary this is the very basis of partition

It exactly what Jinnah warned about and why India was torn apart 70 years ago

Now that India is a communal shithole Indian Muslims are waking up, in front of us India is partitioning, people are moving to areas of their own religious groups


Partition will happen again, and it is the DUTY of all Muslims of the sub continent to fight back and make Muslims across the world aware of the Hindus enemy

 

[AlKardai]

Ah yes, Hussain.

The resident racist

 

[langda khan]

Indian Hindus have been arriving into the city of Leicester and causing problems for years. It's only the invitation of Hindutva preachers and marches that lead to the response.
You call us the flag bearers, but you distinctly stated that Hindutva was a term of Indianness and the Hindutvadi preachers and marches within leicester occurred before the outcry of muslims, so essentially they raised the flag of India beforehand .

you say that Hindutva is based upon the idea of unity within diversity, but why are there many Hindutvadis calling for boycott of Muslims, bulldozing homes and general communal violence on a massive scale?

I think the aggressive gujjus this time originally attacked Indian origin muslims. Bohris from what I hear. Pakistanis were nowhere in the picture. If you insert yourselves then what can we do?

Why should you have a problem with Hindutva in the UK. Does the UK belong to you? Funnily increasingly the UK actually belongs to us. What happens if the tables get reveresed?

We will boycott a community that wants to live outside the norms of our land. Its a peaceful step. An economic one. If they cannot survive and need us to put food on the table, then they cannot have it both ways. They need to live by some common ground rules.

The bulldozing is all done by the state. No on else has the means or the power to do it. And it is done legally of course, because it is per state machinery rules and guidelines. Yes you could say that rules are used to target one community. I do not agree, but you could say that. And so could our muslims, who can and do move court. As I said, this is not extra judicial. And it is a whole lot less brutal than the muslim reeducation practised by your closest ally. You are free to see this as something similar, Indian culture and politics style.

What massive scale communal violence son? The UP riots started because of a hindu Jat girl and muslim qureshi boys. The Delhi riots were again planned and instigated and initiated by muslims under the garb of the CAA protests.