Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[Gryphon]

It is easy to winge. The real question is what options did you have. The Chinese Z10 was and still is not ready and has failed trials. The red bear was not providing you with used toilet paper till 2014. Even now progress on defence acquisition is very slow. EU would basically have fleeced you for everything you had but would have also sold you potentially sanctionable product at 1.5 times the price. So all in all no avenues open to you.
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Except China, Turkey is the only country wlling to offer/capable of offering a USD 1.5 bn loan to Pakistan. No wonder Pakistan is forced to negotiate a deal for the T-129s - with American engines at a price exceeding the top grade AH-1Z Viper.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Except China, Turkey is the only country wlling to offer/capable of offering a USD 1.5 bn loan to Pakistan. No wonder Pakistan is forced to negotiate a deal for the T-129s - with American engines at a price exceeding the top grade AH-1Z Viper.

I remember reading from WikiLeaks how Carter offered to back a loan for the sale of Mirage F-1 or Mirage 2000s to Pakistan. It'll be interesting to see who's actually underwriting the T129 and MILGEM loans. Trump has basically put the Dept of State and Dept of Defence in uneasy situations where the two need Pakistan to execute US interests in Afghanistan, but know that Pakistan can't/won't do it without the necessary hardware. If the US can't supply that stuff directly, perhaps it can - and possibly is - facilitating others to transfer it.

 

[Gryphon]

I remember reading from WikiLeaks how Carter offered to back a loan for the sale of Mirage F-1 or Mirage 2000s to Pakistan. It'll be interesting to see who's actually underwriting the T129 and MILGEM loans. Trump has basically put the Dept of State and Dept of Defence in uneasy situations where the two need Pakistan to execute US interests in Afghanistan, but know that Pakistan can't/won't do it without the necessary hardware. If the US can't supply that stuff directly, perhaps it can - and possibly is - facilitating others to transfer it.

That was the era of Zia, when Pakistan had the respect it deserved.

 

[mingle]

Depending on how the US aid issue develops, this could potentially scuttle the T129 deal. Basically, the USMC will sell-off its AH-1Ws, and unlike the old AH-1F/S, this does have some commonality with the AH-1Z. If Pakistan and the US come to a new deal on aid (e.g. the US only giving money and equipment for specific US-defined ops in the Tribal Areas), Pakistan could look at buying ~30 AH-1W along with the 12-15 AH-1Z. @Oscar @Horus

http://www.janes.com/article/77142/usmc-supercobras-to-be-sold-off-to-international-customers

It is possible but for it we need diplomacy and boldness.Jorden got another Sqd of F16 s from Belgium other than they put on sale.
Diplomacy Diplomacy and proactive not reactive. These whiskey cobras r still in good shape.

 

[SQ8]

Depending on how the US aid issue develops, this could potentially scuttle the T129 deal. Basically, the USMC will sell-off its AH-1Ws, and unlike the old AH-1F/S, this does have some commonality with the AH-1Z. If Pakistan and the US come to a new deal on aid (e.g. the US only giving money and equipment for specific US-defined ops in the Tribal Areas), Pakistan could look at buying ~30 AH-1W along with the 12-15 AH-1Z. @Oscar @Horus

http://www.janes.com/article/77142/usmc-supercobras-to-be-sold-off-to-international-customers

The super cobras dont offer much in terms of gain to the PA and will still have higher maintenance than new airframes.

I don’t see the T-129 being scuttled as such as delayed, there may be openness to develop one with a european engine if Pakistan shoulders the development costs.

 

[mingle]

A country without a full time defence minister and forgien minister then expecting any proactive policy is a dream.
Thanks to NS.

 

[araz]

Except China, Turkey is the only country wlling to offer/capable of offering a USD 1.5 bn loan to Pakistan. No wonder Pakistan is forced to negotiate a deal for the T-129s - with American engines at a price exceeding the top grade AH-1Z Viper.

The Z 10 has failed trials in Pak lands. The Chinese members here have commented on the engines being inadequate for the job. The price of the T129 is morw or less same as the AH 1Z. But it is the factor of local assembly which makss it more palatable.
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That was the era of Zia, when Pakistan had the respect it deserved.

Zia knew how to handle them. He was not enamoured by them inspite of his humility and stood his ground where it mattered. This was the reason he was gotten away with.
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[fatman17]

Cobra gate guard

 

[Talon]

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Cobra gate guard

Army Muesum Lahore..

 

[khanasifm]

Looks a model and not an actual one correct ??

 

[Shabi1]

Looks a model and not an actual one correct ??

Likely air frame from a crashed/beyond repair unit after useful parts cannibalized.

 

[Human One]

Likely air frame from a crashed/beyond repair unit after useful parts cannibalized.

Did you notice the mannequins inside?

 

[Shabi1]

Did you notice the mannequins inside?

yes, did notice it.

Some more pictures and other helicopters at Army Aviation Museum Lahore
http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25001

Evidently tail of the Cobra has 216 Serial number but the nose shows 191. So its a mix of parts.

 

[fatman17]

Operation for rescue of Foreign Mountaineers at #NangaParbat by #PakistanArmy. In response to request for rescue of two foreign #mountaineers (one male one female) who are stuck in bad weather at Nanga Parbat, an operation is in progress. https://t.co/delZyiV6o4

 

[fatman17]

Nanga Purbat Rescue Update (27/01/2018)
Fresh pictures a while ago, when helicopters of Pakistan Army picked up the polish rescue climbers from K2 Base Camp.
Source: PTDC K2 Motel Skardu https://t.co/uAvXbTWGrD