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Hi it’s been tired and tested by army aviation that’s why been send back for further upgrades accordingly now if we talk about testing in real warfare most of the Chinese gadgets not been tested accordingly as I’m not advocating not to buy one or leave other but at the moment if army aviation is in dire need of a gunship Z10 at the moment only available platform PakistanHow is Chinese Z-10 tried and tested?
Whereas, ATAK has been truly combat proven against Kurdish fighter within Turkey and various factions in Syrian Afrin operations.
Ok. My earlier post was because İ thought, you were talking about combat testing.Hi it’s been tired and tested by army aviation that’s why been send back for further upgrades accordingly now if we talk about testing in real warfare most of the Chinese gadgets not been tested accordingly as I’m not advocating not to buy one or leave other but at the moment if army aviation is in dire need of a gunship Z10 at the moment only available platform Pakistan
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Can you care to expand on this list ? why and how they will serve PA ? in what category and or capacity ? Make a strong solid case for PA to induct three different types, instead of two, any case beside how good they will look or how and why you would like to see these birds in PA colors. While at it, also explain to PA how they will need to setup, training, maintenance and field support for these three types.What are possibilities that PA will negotiate a deal with USA for 12 AH-1Z Cobras for $1 Billion as proposed?
With the current threats from all four corners of the borders, the Pak Army Aviation needs to strengthen its Attack Helicopter Fleet.
These numbers should be increased based on the newer models available over the course of time.
- 30 AH-1Z Vipers
- 30 T-129 ATAK
- 30 Z-10
What are possibilities that PA will negotiate a deal with USA for 12 AH-1Z Cobras for $1 Billion as proposed?
With the current threats from all four corners of the borders, the Pak Army Aviation needs to strengthen its Attack Helicopter Fleet.
These numbers should be increased based on the newer models available over the course of time.
- 30 AH-1Z Vipers
- 30 T-129 ATAK
- 30 Z-10
Especially V corpsIf these 48 x AH-1F are not retired instead divided amongst I,II and V Corps as dedicated assets, this would give the Corps HQs more flexibility and firepower instead of requesting for gunships through Aviation Command or GHQ or Regional Command.
The original plan was 15 AH-1Z and 30 T129, so at least 3 squadrons with 15 helicopters each (I guess the PAA could break the units down further). However, in 2016 TAI hinted the PA was going to acquire a "large number" of T129s through the long-term.3 different platforms having 90 pieces while mission profile remains almost same. American, Turkish and Chinese, all having different engines and parts. 2 of these can share weapon systems. 2 of these will have MmW radars. All will have different sensors with nearly same functionality. Datalinks of 2 can be be interlinked while Z-10 maybe connected through another interconnecting system giving latency of 1-2 msec. Overhauling time frame could be different. Ground crews will need to specialize in at least two of these while still being able to maintain the 3rd bird. Transitioning from -1F to -1Z could be easier but the other two gunships would be different machines. 90 would mean 6 x Squadrons considering 12 per squadron while others are spare. Current gunship squadrons are 3 so basically doubling the force with better platform and weapon systems.
The fate of 48 x AH-1F has yet to be ascertained. The "jugaroo" way things work in Pakistan, these AH-1F can still be used in COIN Ops. A C4I team in Mi-17 equipped with MmW radar, 2-3 surveillance drones in air and a handful of AH-1F. The Mi-17 and drones guide the AH-1F to targets which takes them out through strafing or rickets or TOW/BS. There is low threat level of SAM/RPG in COIN war. The missing weapon is a FnF Missile. Integration of BARQ missile should have been considered for AH-1F and future gunship platforms.
If these 48 x AH-1F are not retired instead divided amongst I,II and V Corps as dedicated assets, this would give the Corps HQs more flexibility and firepower instead of requesting for gunships through Aviation Command or GHQ or Regional Command.
The need of transport heli will always be there. RVFC is providing mules for transport in mountain regions. A transport helicopter with adequate cargo space or sling load capability is a better option. Mules on tracks and trucks on roads in mountains can be a back up or otherwise size/weight restrictions of cargo. A dedicated Med Evac variant of transport helicopter with 4 x stretchers is needed since Field hospitals and specialized medical departments in CMHs are located at central places only.
Almost every US Divisional formation has an aviation brigade having 1 attack squadron and 2-3 transport squadrons. This may not be possible in divisional structure of PA but some Corps HQs can be assigned dedicated assets.
Salam Bilal Khan bro what is the status of ongoing trials of Z-10ME & when we inducted them because T-129 take long time...The original plan was 15 AH-1Z and 30 T129, so at least 3 squadrons with 15 helicopters each (I guess the PAA could break the units down further). However, in 2016 TAI hinted the PA was going to acquire a "large number" of T129s through the long-term.