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Pakistan Army Attack Helicopter option

Yes any sensible who doesn't know How Russians do the work or how they deal and what they tell and what they actually do :yu:
Yup
and there you are claiming to know how russian work better than the russians. cool.

Gentlemen, Irrespective of Russia denying it or not, Lets agree to disagree and move on. We'll talk about it when ISPR says something. Until then lets just ignore this.

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Couldnt agree more. Thank you.
That is what i am saying, lets discuss this when CONFIRMED. Saying things as being "Certain" and saying SO MANY things as such is not helping anyone.
 
Good Post.So much competition but good thing is all options are pretty acquireable as all these gunships meet the current war demands
 
The following articles on the Rooivalk Mk2 (excerpt) indicate that Denel Aviation needs 60+ units to make this helicopter feasible. Early customers or partners will receive transfer-of-technology to locally manufacture, customize and maintain the Rooivalk Mk2.

I don't think the PAA will go out of its way to join, but it might have a shot if there's a functional Rooivalk Mk2 prototype. The PAA can trial it and decide from there.

If the PAA follows-up on the MoDP's interest in Romania's H215 Super Pumas, then signing onto the Rooivalk Mk2 would make a lot of sense. One would get a heavy attack helicopter with commonality with a low-cost heavy-medium utility helicopter.

There is also the H225M Caracal, which is adaptable for naval operations, cold weather environments, etc. The Rooivalk, Super Puma and Caracal have commonality (in engine, etc). A study of this might be worth it @Horus

The next generation Rooivalk will feature better sights, improved firepower, greater payload and better survivability amongst other improvements, he said. The airframe and engines are still deemed satisfactory and would not be changed in a future upgrade.

“Denel Aviation is interested in seeking partners and clients in the development of a new generation Rooivalk…In this process, significant opportunities exist for technology transfer as well as production and MRO participation. In order to exploit the intellectual property vested in Rooivalk at an economically feasible level a broad client base would be required,” Denel said.

Through a joint venture programme of industrial participation and transfer of intellectual property, an indigenous attack helicopter production, support and upgrade/modification capability can be established.

Jan Wessels, Denel Group COO, said that Rooivalk production is “inevitable” and called on potential partners to join in the programme. Funding has been made available from Denel Aviation to proceed with upgrading the Rooivalk and the company has brought back the Rooivalk jigs in anticipation of producing the Mk 2.

However, the main gearbox and main and tail rotor system (the dynamic components) are based on the Airbus Helicopters Super Puma/Oryx. Hugh Petersen, Executive Manager: Business Development at Denel Aviation, told defenceWeb that as Airbus Helicopters owns the intellectual property on the dynamic components so Denel has been in talks with them on the supply of these items.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...-export-orders&catid=124:military-helicopters

Speaking ahead of the opening of the Africa, Aerospace and Defence (AAD) exhibition at AFB Waterkloof today (Tuesday) he said discussions and negotiations were ongoing with potential African partners to both contribute to actual manufacture of Rooivalk Mk 2 and potential users.

We are looking at about 60 or so aircraft to be used by African air forces as well as their possible sale to BRICS partners, Brazil and India.”

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...on-table-at-aad&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107
 
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The following articles on the Rooivalk Mk2 (excerpt) indicate that Denel Aviation needs 60+ units to make this helicopter feasible. Early customers or partners will receive transfer-of-technology to locally manufacture, customize and maintain the Rooivalk Mk2.

I don't think the PAA will go out of its way to join, but it might have a shot if there's a functional Rooivalk Mk2 prototype. The PAA can trial it and decide from there.

If the PAA follows-up on the MoDP's interest in Romania's H215 Super Pumas, then signing onto the Rooivalk Mk2 would make a lot of sense. One would get a heavy attack helicopter with commonality with a low-cost heavy-medium utility helicopter.

There is also the H225M Caracal, which is adaptable for naval operations, cold weather environments, etc. The Rooivalk, Super Puma and Caracal have commonality (in engine, etc). A study of this might be worth it @Horus

The next generation Rooivalk will feature better sights, improved firepower, greater payload and better survivability amongst other improvements, he said. The airframe and engines are still deemed satisfactory and would not be changed in a future upgrade.

“Denel Aviation is interested in seeking partners and clients in the development of a new generation Rooivalk…In this process, significant opportunities exist for technology transfer as well as production and MRO participation. In order to exploit the intellectual property vested in Rooivalk at an economically feasible level a broad client base would be required,” Denel said.

Through a joint venture programme of industrial participation and transfer of intellectual property, an indigenous attack helicopter production, support and upgrade/modification capability can be established.

Jan Wessels, Denel Group COO, said that Rooivalk production is “inevitable” and called on potential partners to join in the programme. Funding has been made available from Denel Aviation to proceed with upgrading the Rooivalk and the company has brought back the Rooivalk jigs in anticipation of producing the Mk 2.

However, the main gearbox and main and tail rotor system (the dynamic components) are based on the Airbus Helicopters Super Puma/Oryx. Hugh Petersen, Executive Manager: Business Development at Denel Aviation, told defenceWeb that as Airbus Helicopters owns the intellectual property on the dynamic components so Denel has been in talks with them on the supply of these items.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...-export-orders&catid=124:military-helicopters

Speaking ahead of the opening of the Africa, Aerospace and Defence (AAD) exhibition at AFB Waterkloof today (Tuesday) he said discussions and negotiations were ongoing with potential African partners to both contribute to actual manufacture of Rooivalk Mk 2 and potential users.

We are looking at about 60 or so aircraft to be used by African air forces as well as their possible sale to BRICS partners, Brazil and India.”

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...on-table-at-aad&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107
An excellent opportunity as it will pave way for overall helicopter fleet modernization (including attack helicopter, medium-heavy lift helicopter and also choppers for navy) along with the procurement of at least sound maintenance and up gradation setup in Pakistan if not manufacturing. However, i am not sure if this is being serious worked upon. A AH1Z and Z-10/T129 attack helicopter fleet, Mi17 for that transportation role and some other system for navy seem to be what we are working on for now. I just hope we seriously consider striking a partnership with SA on this one (although the Indian lobby over there is VERY strong)
 
The following articles on the Rooivalk Mk2 (excerpt) indicate that Denel Aviation needs 60+ units to make this helicopter feasible. Early customers or partners will receive transfer-of-technology to locally manufacture, customize and maintain the Rooivalk Mk2.

I don't think the PAA will go out of its way to join, but it might have a shot if there's a functional Rooivalk Mk2 prototype. The PAA can trial it and decide from there.

If the PAA follows-up on the MoDP's interest in Romania's H215 Super Pumas, then signing onto the Rooivalk Mk2 would make a lot of sense. One would get a heavy attack helicopter with commonality with a low-cost heavy-medium utility helicopter.

There is also the H225M Caracal, which is adaptable for naval operations, cold weather environments, etc. The Rooivalk, Super Puma and Caracal have commonality (in engine, etc). A study of this might be worth it @Horus

The next generation Rooivalk will feature better sights, improved firepower, greater payload and better survivability amongst other improvements, he said. The airframe and engines are still deemed satisfactory and would not be changed in a future upgrade.

“Denel Aviation is interested in seeking partners and clients in the development of a new generation Rooivalk…In this process, significant opportunities exist for technology transfer as well as production and MRO participation. In order to exploit the intellectual property vested in Rooivalk at an economically feasible level a broad client base would be required,” Denel said.

Through a joint venture programme of industrial participation and transfer of intellectual property, an indigenous attack helicopter production, support and upgrade/modification capability can be established.

Jan Wessels, Denel Group COO, said that Rooivalk production is “inevitable” and called on potential partners to join in the programme. Funding has been made available from Denel Aviation to proceed with upgrading the Rooivalk and the company has brought back the Rooivalk jigs in anticipation of producing the Mk 2.

However, the main gearbox and main and tail rotor system (the dynamic components) are based on the Airbus Helicopters Super Puma/Oryx. Hugh Petersen, Executive Manager: Business Development at Denel Aviation, told defenceWeb that as Airbus Helicopters owns the intellectual property on the dynamic components so Denel has been in talks with them on the supply of these items.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...-export-orders&catid=124:military-helicopters

Speaking ahead of the opening of the Africa, Aerospace and Defence (AAD) exhibition at AFB Waterkloof today (Tuesday) he said discussions and negotiations were ongoing with potential African partners to both contribute to actual manufacture of Rooivalk Mk 2 and potential users.

We are looking at about 60 or so aircraft to be used by African air forces as well as their possible sale to BRICS partners, Brazil and India.”

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...on-table-at-aad&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107
there are ample of opportunities in JV. the problem is we lack insight and to some extent resources
its important get JV in economically feasible areas
we are going to induct 100s of helicopters as the size of our army is huge, instead of buying we should move into JV
 
somehow I hope more Pumas are inducted to help with the helicopter shortage.

What about a non-US engine for the T-129?
 
better to talk Australia for Euro tiger attack helicopter.
as they are retiring them from 2022.
 
Chinese option might end up as the only final option in the end !!
 
Chinese option might end up as the only final option in the end !!
If Turkish are working on their own engine and then why cant Pakistan have T129 Modified with Safran Ardiden... chinese have WZ-16 engine based on it. this can be a backup plan if turkish engine does not go ahead as planned... the T129 is too sweet a deal to let go by that easily..
 
If Turkish are working on their own engine and then why cant Pakistan have T129 Modified with Safran Ardiden... chinese have WZ-16 engine based on it. this can be a backup plan if turkish engine does not go ahead as planned... the T129 is too sweet a deal to let go by that easily..

Taking way too long my brother look how long it has already taken for them ... they can not deliver simple as that PAA is in urgent need to replace the aging cobras ASAP and add even more to its fleet period.
 
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Taking way too long my brother look how long it has already taken for them ... they can not deliver simple as that PAA is in urgent need to replace the aging cobras ASAP and add even more to its fleet period.
then z-10 is the only option left... too bad we cant put a gattling gun on it. Its hard to believe that Z-10 cant perform in high altitude conditions. we have seen them operating in tibet region far too many times... hot and desert conditions may be true but this isn't something that cant be overcome.. lets just order Z-10 already we can have them customized later like we always do..
 
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