Pakistan Army - AIR DEFENCE CORPS - Formation, Structure, Weapons

[princefaisal]

Pakistan is going to purchase S-300 missile system from Russia.

News break by Mubasher Lucman yesterday

 

[PanzerKiel]

Pakistan is going to purchase S-300 missile system from Russia.

News break by Mubasher Lucman yesterday

3:40 onwards

 

[Mrc]

3:40 onwards

S 300 hasn't done very well in syria...

But than u can give Syrians f 22 and it probably won't do very well either...

 

[PanzerKiel]

S 300 hasn't done very well in syria...

The lethality is not solely in its missile or missile range....even if the Mean Time Between Failure of the missiles themselves is absurdly low and dozens have to be fired to obtain one hit....

a SAM squadron costs little to operate and maintain, Its value is in deterrence, and the creation of complexities for the attacker. This is more important than the actual number of kills.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Some random thoughts....

Any object can be achieved if cost is disregarded, particularly when a 3 to 1 superiority in aircraft is available. All over the world however the costs associated with counter air operations are under question. Should the large complex, expensive multipurpose aircraft capable of successfully penetrating to distant air bases be risked in this mission? In case of IAF, many are of the opinion that the most important of circumstances, such as keeping Karachi air defence suppressed while an amphibious landing is conducted, warrant the risk.

In 1971, the PAF failed to keep even one IAF base out of action for one day. Generally bases were repaired within 6 to 8 hours. Today the same would apply to IAF attacks on Pakistani air base. The 1971 East Pak example is not relevant today. Against the lone PAF fighter squadron based in the East Pak, India deployed ten combat squadrons and there was a huge disparity in performance between the F-86 and the IAF Su-7s and Mi G-21s. Today the PAF will fight at maybe 3 to 1 odds, not 10 to 1. When 16 PAF aircraft had to protect seven fighter fields and the entire Eastern wing to boot we need not be surprised that India / IAF succeeded so easily. And even then PAF was still flying from Dacca as late as seven days into the war. If we reran the scenario with three F- 7 squadrons and two fights of F-16s defending against ten IAF Jaguar MiG-23 MiG-21 Ajeet and Canberra squadrons we would get a totally different outcome. If runway attack techniques and weapons have increased lethality airfield repair techniques have also improved. One simple solution which PAF might have adopted in the face of its known vulnerability to Indian air attack is to increase the number of runway repair teams assigned to each base.

IAF may have three or more times as many combat aircraft as the PAF. But if we consider the enormous demands on the IAF’s strike force over a 1500-kilometer front, the assertion is viable. The IAF may be able to spare no more than five squadrons worth of aircraft for South Western Air Command, one of the probable points for launching their Strike Corps (1/2/21). The handy Mi G-21s will not be available for attack because the distances are too great here. Karachi will be the priority because of the planned amphibious landing, the need to keep the PAF off the diversionary thrust from Bhuj and the presence of Pakistan’s major naval base. With this force, it will be impossible to keep suppressed all PAF bases in the South West.

The standard IAF attack pattern involves four flights of four aircraft coming in at very short intervals, supported by four interceptors, two at high altitude and two at low, plus one or two ECM aircraft. Each attack squadron can fly one mission per day. So we may assume that four major targets can be struck every day with the force available. With the vital Karachi complex itself featuring three air bases, two ports, one naval base, army installations, power and bridges, to say nothing of the amphibious bridgehead, we may wonder what will be left over to attack the six P.A.F. fields that will be utilized against Indian Strike Corps in South Punjab and Sindh.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

S-300 is not a good choice, FD 2000 upgraded system is better than this and supplier is more reliable too.
However, if Russian system is considered then it should be most advance in series which S-400.

 

[truthfollower]

The lethality is not solely in its missile or missile range....even if the Mean Time Between Failure of the missiles themselves is absurdly low and dozens have to be fired to obtain one hit....

a SAM squadron costs little to operate and maintain, Its value is in deterrence, and the creation of complexities for the attacker. This is more important than the actual number of kills.

i want to ask a stupid question.

what is the use of anti aircraft guns in the age of guided missiles?

 

[PanzerKiel]

i want to ask a stupid question.

what is the use of anti aircraft guns in the age of guided missiles?

Contempt of flak / gun based air defences is reminiscent of the initial American contempt of North Vietnamese air defenses. It does not matter whether you get hit by a million dollar missile or twenty $ 20 connon rounds, the result is the same; an aircraft shot down. The problem with attacking an air base or a static target defended by guns, is that the defender knows exactly your direction of attack : the runway especially has to be hit along its length. It is a simple matter for the defender to cover your approaches and wait. The attacker’s accuracy suffers because of the requirement to come in fast and low. Many more sorties are required to be certain of achieving a given task than with medium level attack. Pakistan has sufficient flak to cover each air base with a regiment worth of guns: forty to sixty guns around a static target can provide a substantial defence against air attack.

Thats apart from SOWs ofcourse, but then one cannot spare enough SOWs or SOW aircraft for each static target, so most of such static targets will have to be hit by aircraft flying low and penetrating till the target itself, thats where the guns come in handy....

 

[Bilal.]

i want to ask a stupid question.

what is the use of anti aircraft guns in the age of guided missiles?

In the age of UAVs and kamikaze drones that are cheap and expendable and attack in large numbers. Anti-aircraft guns are probably the best counter, specially the ones with air burst ammunition like AHEAD. They have become VERY relevant.

 

[princefaisal]

3:40 onwards

May be its Russian S-300 series which could be S-350 Vityaz or Chinese S-300 which could be HQ-9/FD2000?

 

[HRK]

May be its Russian S-300 series which could be S-350 Vityaz or Chinese S-300 which could be HQ-9/FD2000?

As far as I know Russia has retired S-300 systems and replacing them with S-350, IF (a very very big IF and I doubt that this news is eve true) we are buying S-300 then these must be refurbished systems and being second hand/ used system might have cost very low so may be coming in numbers than let say 2-3 battery .... so in this case these could be Air defence system augmenting to some other long range SAM system which might be acquired in limited numbers.

 

[Basel]

im hearing some good news here lets see if it gets conformed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1380054034829045760

Unconfirmed reports indicate Iran, Russia, China, Turkey are competing to win a deal with Pakistan to modernize her Air-Defense network with modern Short-range defense systems.

China already won the long-range deal with FD-2000BP.

Which version is FD-2000BP??

Pakistan is going to purchase S-300 missile system from Russia.

News break by Mubasher Lucman yesterday

https://twitter.com/x/status/1380378203135508480

https://twitter.com/x/status/1380108327149916160

 

[Sayfullah]

3:40 onwards

so no fd-2000 but s-300 instead?

 

[Basel]

May be its Russian S-300 series which could be S-350 Vityaz or Chinese S-300 which could be HQ-9/FD2000?

I hope we are not buying outdated S-300 system which is superseded by S-350E & S-400.

so no fd-2000 but s-300 instead?

It will be very stupid move to buy an old out dated system, only viable way is massive upgrade to S-400 standard of whole system.

 

[Raja Porus]

Perhaps FD2000 is for Army AD while S300( if we for for it) will be for PAF's AD