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fter decades of delay and inaction, the Hindu minority community in Pakistan will soon have a marriage law as a parliamentary panel has unanimously approved the Hindu Marriage Bill.

The National Assembly standing committee on law and justice on Monday passed the final draft of Hindu Marriage Bill 2015, where five Hindu lawmakers were specially invited.

Though the delaying tactics continued almost to the last, the committee adopted the bill unanimously after making two amendments to fix the minimum age of the marrying male and female at 18 and making the law applicable to the whole country, Dawn news reported.

The bill will now be tabled in the National Assembly where it has fair chances of being passed as the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) party is supporting it.

Committee chairman Chaudhry Mahmood Bashir Virk expressed regret over the long-drawn tactical delay in framing family law for the Hindu community.

"It was unbecoming of us Muslims in general and the political leaders in particular. We were required to facilitate the legislation, not obstruct it. If we 99 per cent of the population are afraid of one per cent, we need to look deep inside what we claim to be and what we are," he said.

Virk and ruling PML-N lawmaker Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani had been pushing for approving the bill but members of other parliamentary parties persisted with raising objections.

Shagufta Jumani of Pakistan People's Party and Ali Mohammad Khan of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf raised many queries about minimum age of a Hindu girl to be married and the status of marriage if any of the partners converted to Islam.

"Under the banner of Pakistan Hindu Council, I arrange mass marriage of around 100 girls every year and we clearly deny marriage of even an orphan who is under 18. People do not insist on marrying anyone below 18 years," Vankwani said.

He wanted to drop a clause in the bill that said the marriage will be nullified if any of the partners converted to Islam. It was inserted by the Council of Islamic Ideology when the bill was sent for 'Sharia vetting' some six months ago.

"Why a Hindu and a Muslim or Christian cannot live together as happily married couple?," Vankwani said.

His suggestion to drop the clause met stern resistance from Jumani and Khan after which Committee Chairman stopped the discussion to avoid "total collapse" of the meeting.

"If Hindu boys and girls elsewhere can marry into other religions why this cannot be a reality here?," Vankwani said, adding that open-mindedness is required in the society.
After the 18th Amendment, issues relating to religious minorities and their family matters became provincial subjects. Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have passed the requisite resolutions, but the Sindh and Punjab assemblies have not yet done so.

Pakistan approves Hindu Marriage Bill after decades of inaction - Times of India

 
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@DESERT FIGHTER

Lawyer saab ,

could you throw some light on this bill?

1) Can a Hindu marry a Muslim under this bill? If yes, how does that work?

2) Are Hindus allowed to follow polygamy and polyandry?

3) What would be the divorce procedure under this bill?

4) How does this bill differ from the current setup?

5) How does the inheritance rights work?

@Nilgiri

So what we are a Islamic country

Was Pakistan being an Islamic country, Jinnah's vision or not? I am confused by your statement. Could you elaborate?
 
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Question is what if a Hindu boy wishes to marry a Muslim girl ? Which law will apply to them ?

Personally I feel religion should be a personal thing. Religion should not be an issue if two humans want to get married. If religion is a hindrance between two humans wanting to get married, then I guess the religion is flawed. And nothing is wrong in raising your child into two different faiths. It's time to evolve your thought process.
 
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Question is what if a Hindu boy wishes to marry a Muslim girl ? Which law will apply to them ?
Personally I feel religion should be a personal thing. Religion should not be an issue if two humans want to get married. If religion is a hindrance between two humans wanting to get married, then I guess the religion is flawed. And nothing is wrong in raising your child into two different faiths. It's time to evolve your thought process.
Marriage is religious rite/institution which often based on religious beliefs and practices. Muslims perform nikkah while hindu perform 7 phere in presence of pundits and religion Islam dont recognise the marriage between Muslim boy/Girl with Hindu boy/Girl as nikkah will not be valid now civil union is different matter

Question is what if a Hindu lesbian girl prefer to marry with another Hindu girl in secular India? what will be the legality of such marriage ?
 
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Marriage is religious rite/institution which often based on religious beliefs and practices. Muslims perform nikkah while hindu perform 7 phere in presence of pundits and religion Islam dont recognise the marriage between Muslim boy/Girl with Hindu boy/Girl as nikkah will not be valid now civil union is different matter

Question is what if a Hindu lesbian girl prefer to marry with another Hindu girl in secular India? what will be the legality of such marriage ?

So what happens if a Hindu and a Muslim marry in Pakistan? What do they do today and how would it be tomorrow under this new law?

Hindu marriage act in India is based on western laws. Since west has started recognizing same s*x marriages I am very confident that it would be legalized in India too shortly.

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Terming it a sign of positivity, the LGBT community rejoiced at the Supreme Court's decision on Tuesday to refer to a constitution bench the curative petition seeking a relook at its earlier verdict upholding the validity of Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code that criminalises homosexuality.

Pallav Patankar, programme director at Humsafar Trust, an LGBT rights organisation, expressed happiness over acknowledgment of the curative petition by the apex court.

"The fact that the court has even agreed to reopen the debate is a sign of positivity. It's like a ray of hope through a closed door," Patankar said.

He said he was hoping for government support on the matter.

"In our country, minority means religious minorities. This is unfair. It is time for the government to recognise sexual minorities as well," he said.

An apex court bench headed by Chief Justice TS Thakur referred the matter to a five-judge constitution bench as counsel Kapil Sibal said the issue involved a question of far-reaching constitutional importance and must be heard by a five-judge bench.

Gay rights activist Harish Iyer also expressed happiness over the court move.

"The fact that the court has agreed for an open discussion on it, it takes a lot of courage. The fact is that now the community is garnering support from various sections of the society, even religious groups are now supporting this fight," Iyer told IANS.

"They may oppose same sex people getting married, but at least they are standing with us to strike down Section 377, saying that it is a matter of privacy," he said.

The LGBT community in India has been fighting a legal battle asking for Section 377 to be revoked on grounds that it violates human rights.

Rituparna Borah, an LGBT activist of Nazariya Foundation, slammed the government saying she has no hopes from it.

"The matter is in court now, so we are pinning our hopes with the judiciary. Except Arun Jaitley and Shaina N.C., no one else from the (Bharatiya Janata Party) party has supported the LGBT community," Borah said.

"(Shashi) Tharoor's private member's bill proposing to replace Section 377 was not even heard in the winter session of parliament last December. So we have no hopes from this government," she added.

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Marriage is religious rite/institution which often based on religious beliefs and practices. Muslims perform nikkah while hindu perform 7 phere in presence of pundits and religion Islam dont recognise the marriage between Muslim boy/Girl with Hindu boy/Girl as nikkah will not be valid now civil union is different matter

Question is what if a Hindu lesbian girl prefer to marry with another Hindu girl in secular India? what will be the legality of such marriage ?

What now? U want to compare a natural marriage with an unnatural ones?

The question asked to Pakistani members were simple. Can an Hindu boy/girl marry an Muslim without converting? India has special marriage act. Does Pakistan has something like that?
 
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Islam doesnt allow. Simple

But how are the below situations handled in Pakistan both currently and after the enactment of this bill

1) A Hindu Boy marries a Muslim girl

2) A Hindu girl marries a Muslim boy
 
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What now? U want to compare a natural marriage with an unnatural ones?

The question asked to Pakistani members were simple. Can an Hindu boy/girl marry an Muslim without converting? India has special marriage act. Does Pakistan has something like that?
Come on indian dont even marry with people of same religion belong to different castes ..all this so called liberalism of indians is just on internet..

I did replied that our marrige is nikkah which is islamic ritual and islam dont recognise the marrige between Hindu and Muslim ..what is this special marrige act of India?

But how are the below situations handled in Pakistan both currently and after the enactment of this bill

1) A Hindu Boy marries a Muslim girl

2) A Hindu girl marries a Muslim boy
Such marrige is not valid. You people need to understand what is marrige and how its done as per Hindu or Islamic beliefs..
 
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@DESERT FIGHTER

Lawyer saab ,

could you throw some light on this bill?

1) Can a Hindu marry a Muslim under this bill? If yes, how does that work?

2) Are Hindus allowed to follow polygamy and polyandry?

3) What would be the divorce procedure under this bill?

4) How does this bill differ from the current setup?

5) How does the inheritance rights work?

@Nilgiri



Was Pakistan being an Islamic country, Jinnah's vision or not? I am confused by your statement. Could you elaborate?
No the only way for Hindus to marry Muslims is if they convert

No Hindus are not allowed Polygamy from what i know

Well some right wing hindus did oppose divorce in Marriage act but i think its there

This law is basically the improved version of the law that exists for Christians so i would say that inheritance laes would be similar
 
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Not a good idea nor it must be encouraged, these hindus basically r burden on our economy and society and must be encouraged to move to india which is their real land.

Pakistan is for Muslims build by the Muslims and nobody would be allowed to change our lifestyle.
 
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The Muslim Man or woman cannot marries with non Muslims until they become a Muslims. The Muslim man can marries Jew or Christian woman.
 
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fter decades of delay and inaction, the Hindu minority community in Pakistan will soon have a marriage law as a parliamentary panel has unanimously approved the Hindu Marriage Bill.

The National Assembly standing committee on law and justice on Monday passed the final draft of Hindu Marriage Bill 2015, where five Hindu lawmakers were specially invited.

Though the delaying tactics continued almost to the last, the committee adopted the bill unanimously after making two amendments to fix the minimum age of the marrying male and female at 18 and making the law applicable to the whole country, Dawn news reported.

The bill will now be tabled in the National Assembly where it has fair chances of being passed as the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) party is supporting it.

Committee chairman Chaudhry Mahmood Bashir Virk expressed regret over the long-drawn tactical delay in framing family law for the Hindu community.

"It was unbecoming of us Muslims in general and the political leaders in particular. We were required to facilitate the legislation, not obstruct it. If we 99 per cent of the population are afraid of one per cent, we need to look deep inside what we claim to be and what we are," he said.

Virk and ruling PML-N lawmaker Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani had been pushing for approving the bill but members of other parliamentary parties persisted with raising objections.

Shagufta Jumani of Pakistan People's Party and Ali Mohammad Khan of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf raised many queries about minimum age of a Hindu girl to be married and the status of marriage if any of the partners converted to Islam.

"Under the banner of Pakistan Hindu Council, I arrange mass marriage of around 100 girls every year and we clearly deny marriage of even an orphan who is under 18. People do not insist on marrying anyone below 18 years," Vankwani said.

He wanted to drop a clause in the bill that said the marriage will be nullified if any of the partners converted to Islam. It was inserted by the Council of Islamic Ideology when the bill was sent for 'Sharia vetting' some six months ago.

"Why a Hindu and a Muslim or Christian cannot live together as happily married couple?," Vankwani said.

His suggestion to drop the clause met stern resistance from Jumani and Khan after which Committee Chairman stopped the discussion to avoid "total collapse" of the meeting.

"If Hindu boys and girls elsewhere can marry into other religions why this cannot be a reality here?," Vankwani said, adding that open-mindedness is required in the society.
After the 18th Amendment, issues relating to religious minorities and their family matters became provincial subjects. Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have passed the requisite resolutions, but the Sindh and Punjab assemblies have not yet done so.

Pakistan approves Hindu Marriage Bill after decades of inaction - Times of India

All hell will break loose if a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim live together in a marriage. Better to keep them safe by enacting appropriate law which is compliant to Sharia .
 
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