Pakistan approves Gwadar port transfer to China

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

But aren't you building a railway line to Afghanistan via Tajikistan to import minerals which will furthur extends into Iran and middle East.

Could be but one thing for sure it's the more roads, the more rails connection with any countries will only benefit factor, we than can have more choice to decide which road to take base on criterias such as more convenient, more economic or more safe road.

 

[Peshwa]

Sir they can demolish IN but they cant do that to USN. ALL of Chinese energy security and trade is dependent of the Sea, they want an alternative for BOTH, be it the Pakistan pipeline to China or the reinventing silk route.

Oh please Aeronaut...thats just exhaggeration and you know it!

You do know that the IN is probably the strongest and most modernized of all armed forces of India..and by no means a cakewalk..

I do not believe that China can take on the Indian navy in the Indian ocean...It will take a while before China can boast that claim...same goes for India in the South China Sea.

 

[Peshwa]

A few thoughts that hopefully some Pakistani friends can comment on....

1. By creating a pipeline through Balochistan to China, Oil supply for China will obviously be easier...But doesnt this give the BLA and seperatists another tool to blackmail Pakistan with? I mean this was one of the reasons why development has been slower than expected...so how will the security of the pipeline be handled? If Im not mistaken, Balochistan is not a very heavily militarized zone..

2. How do 3rd party entities such as China deal with situations such as war between say India and Pakistan?
Of course in case of a war, India's motive will be to block oil supplies from the Middle East going into Pak which would have a direct impact on Chinese supplies. Does this mean China enters the war as well?

3. Why is gwadar considered a better route than Chahabar except for China? CARs would probably have better access through Chahabar no?

 

[KS]

Sir they can demolish IN but they cant do that to USN.

Did you know why in the Battle of Thermopylae 300 odd Spartans could hold off a vast number of Persians for a considerable time ?

If you knew that and you saw geography in that context you would know PLAN could hardly defeat the Indian Navy in Indian Ocean.

Thank God for the Malacca Straits and Andaman islands !

 

[INDIC]

Sir they can demolish IN but they cant do that to USN. ALL of Chinese energy security and trade is dependent of the Sea, they want an alternative for BOTH, be it the Pakistan pipeline to China or the reinventing silk route.

like Indians, Chinese don't have any experience in using an Aircraft carriers and secondly our navy is guarding the Malacca straits

 

[Sinnerman108]

Read the article once

See the source of the article and use your common sense for once !

Shipment by Train is much faster than ship km to km.
Shipment by Train is shorter distance anyway.

China has an advantage going through Pakistan which is an ally to middle east who are Pakistan's ally.

China will still have an advantage using Pakistan's capabilities and raw material where required coupleed with their's and exporting out.

 

[indian_foxhound]

Pakistan has decided to go ahead with a
controversial $1.5bn pipeline to import Iranian
gas, a senior government official has said, in a
move that risks alienating the US. “A decision has been made that we can’t delay
this project for any longer. This is Pakistan’s
essential lifeline. We are going ahead with this
project,” the official told the Financial Times on
Thursday.
sif Ali Zardari, Pakistan’s president,
unexpectedly cancelled a trip to Iran at the last minute in December, amid concerns in Islamabad
over stiff US opposition to a project considered
essential for tackling mounting energy shortages.
Some Pakistani officials had expected Mr Zardari
to consent to the project during the trip. The plan would see Pakistan build a pipeline
connecting its national gas supply grid in the
southern Sindh province to the Iranian border in
southwest Baluchistan. Iranian officials say they
have already built the pipeline on their side of the
border to within 100km of Pakistan. The US has opposed the pipeline on the grounds
it would inject foreign exchange into the Iranian
economy at a time when western countries have
imposed a number of ever tighter sanctions in an
effort to prevent Tehran from advancing its
nuclear weapons programme. Independent economists said it was too early to
predict whether the project would go ahead.
“The companies involved from Pakistan may face
the danger of being exposed to US-led western
sanctions,” warned Sakib Sherani, an economist.
“There are also technical issues in undertaking such a large project.” However, Islamabad has become all too aware of
the political and economic risks posed by chronic
electricity shortages after people took to the
streets in cities across the country last summer in protest at power cuts up to 20 hours long. Pakistan appeared confident the US would not hit
it with tough sanctions, according to a senior
western diplomat in Islamabad. “In their
[Pakistan’s] calculus, they believe that the US
needs Pakistan to ensure a successful drawdown
from Afghanistan by December next year,” the diplomat said. “The Pakistanis probably believe there will be a
lot of huff and puff but no painful sanctions. In all
honesty, Pakistan has a terrible situation on
energy and these [energy] shortages can
undermine the country’s stability.” Iran has offered its neighbour at least $500m to
help finance the project. The money was “just the
beginning”, the Pakistani official said. “The
Iranians have said they will provide more
funding for this project if there is a need.” The Iranian pipeline offers Pakistan the shortest
supply route from any gas surplus country,
officials say. Asim Hussain, chief adviser on oil
and natural resources to the government, told the
FT last December: “It’s a feasible project for
Pakistan. It’s the quickest route, the cheapest route where we can fulfil our energy needs.”

http://www.liveweb.archive.org/live...bbe-11e2-a700-00144feab49a.html#axzz2JaRxm8hP

 

[unicorn]

It's not delusion nor hard core idealism, China sure know the future importance of Pakistan that why we invest on the port and road infrastructure, the only concern is that some foreign powers will try to put stick on Pakistan's wheel preventing it from progress.

China and Pakistan doing things in stealthy mode and also the timing of this decision when we know there is only one year left for the US draw down in Afghanistan.. Foreign elements are involved in destabilization for a very long time in the cover of War on terror by giving logistical support to miscreants and providing safe heavens inside Afghanistan. Pakistan and China should need to work on this in the future and should have a joint strategic aim.

 

[Icewolf]

Gwadar will turn into the next Dubai... also has more potential than Dubai

A few thoughts that hopefully some Pakistani friends can comment on....

1. By creating a pipeline through Balochistan to China, Oil supply for China will obviously be easier...But doesnt this give the BLA and seperatists another tool to blackmail Pakistan with? I mean this was one of the reasons why development has been slower than expected...so how will the security of the pipeline be handled? If Im not mistaken, Balochistan is not a very heavily militarized zone..

2. How do 3rd party entities such as China deal with situations such as war between say India and Pakistan?
Of course in case of a war, India's motive will be to block oil supplies from the Middle East going into Pak which would have a direct impact on Chinese supplies. Does this mean China enters the war as well?

3. Why is gwadar considered a better route than Chahabar except for China? CARs would probably have better access through Chahabar no?

1. BLA is dead & gone now...

2. If there is a war, and India tries to block oil supplies going into China, India will be obliterated.

3. Chabahar is less developed than Gwadar, also it is more expensive, and more risky going through a rogue state like Iran.

 

[Peshwa]

Gwadar will turn into the next Dubai... also has more potential than Dubai.

Its best not to quack before the chickens hatch....

I wish Pakistan the best, but some of you are calling this rock a diamond way before maturity..

 

[Peshwa]

1. BLA is dead & gone now...

Right....

Hello frog in well

2. If there is a war, and India tries to block oil supplies going into China, India will be obliterated.

Will you personally obliterate India?

Pakistan was able to jack **** during the 71 blockade...litttle can be expected here.
My question was aimed at China's policy of non interference, especially when its not a direct party to the conflict.

3. Chabahar is less developed than Gwadar, also it is more expensive, and more risky going through a rogue state like Iran.

Ok talking nonsense is one thing youre famous for..

Please explain how the infrastructure at Chahabar is less developed than Gwadar when Iran already has a rail and road link setup with Afghanistan?
Next explain how its more expensive when the port of entry and distance to CAR is lesser than going accross the length of Pakistan?

Speaking of Rogue states....who here has heard of Balochistan and FATA?
Iran is way more stable and has better relations with CAR countries than Pak....simple fact.

 

[Icewolf]

Right....

Hello frog in well



Will you personally obliterate India?

Pakistan was able to jack **** during the 71 blockade...litttle can be expected here.
My question was aimed at China's policy of non interference, especially when its not a direct party to the conflict.



Ok talking nonsense is one thing youre famous for..

Please explain how the infrastructure at Chahabar is less developed than Gwadar when Iran already has a rail and road link setup with Afghanistan?
Next explain how its more expensive when the port of entry and distance to CAR is lesser than going accross the length of Pakistan?

Speaking of Rogue states....who here has heard of Balochistan and FATA?
Iran is way more stable and has better relations with CAR countries than Pak....simple fact.

What?


Well if India dare do blockade it will get obliterated by China as well as Pakistan
By the way, IN had already backed off when they heard USN was coming in 1971

Well gwadar has more potential than Chabahar, plus Gwadar is worlds biggest deep sea port, and earns more than Chabahar

Iran, politically is a rogue state. There is no telling when Iran will seize traders in Chabahar maybe asking USA to lift sanctions?

Plus China wants Gwadar built to help develop their rural areas..

 

[Kompromat]

 

[Mitro]

Its very good news for Baluchistan when china start developing gwadar and when local people gets employment the problem in baluchistan will be no more . China will get secure energy route and faster and pakistan railways will get a facelift too.Win win situation for both of them.

So it will be a big problems for us because if china energy corridor is threaten or damage by us in india pakistan war scenario then china will enter the war to protect it Asset and when china already told the world that Pakistan is China's Israel then there is no more india and pakistan war without china involvement.

 

[Peshwa]

What?


Well if India dare do blockade it will get obliterated by China as well as Pakistan
By the way, IN had already backed off when they heard USN was coming in 1971

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Like I said...talking is one thing you guys are good at....lets see the obliteration happen which you guys speak of so often....
History says you will do jackshit!

PS: The blockade of Bangladesh was successful and no one backed off...please prove me wrong otherwise

Well gwadar has more potential than Chabahar, plus Gwadar is worlds biggest deep sea port, and earns more than Chabahar

Having more potential means bollocks unless you live up to it....so far there is little to show for it.

Iran, politically is a rogue state. There is no telling when Iran will seize traders in Chabahar maybe asking USA to lift sanctions?

Why the hell would Iran stop trade when its income for them....
please dont just say things to fill space...

Plus China wants Gwadar built to help develop their rural areas..

Agreed, but that does not make gwadar better than Chahbar nor does it guarantee success of the same...