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Pakistan approaches World Bank after India builds Kishanganga on Neelum

Updated April 05, 2018


ISLAMABAD: Having confirmed that India has completed the controversial Kishanganga hydropower project, Pakistan has asked the World Bank to recognise its responsibility under the Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 to address its concerns over two disputed projects.

A government official told Dawn that power division of the energy ministry sent a fresh communiqué early this week to the bank’s vice president urging the international organisation to “recognise its responsibility” and play its role to ensure that India abided by the provisions of the 1960 treaty while building the projects.

The official said there was no doubt that India had completed the 330MW Kishanganga project during the period the World Bank “paused” the process for constitution of a Court of Arbitration (COA) as requested by Pakistan in early 2016. The Pakistani request was countered by India by calling for a neutral expert.

Pakistan had called for resolution of disputes over Kishanganga project on the Neelum river and 850MW Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab.

The official said the letter had reached the bank’s head office in Washington and had been delivered to its vice president concerned as confirmed by Pakistan’s director to the bank.

When asked what the government expected now that India had completed the Kishanganga project, the official said the authorities could not just sit back and had to take the matter to its logical conclusion.

Islamabad had received reports in August of 2017 that New Delhi had completed the Kishanganga project as per the design that had been objected to by the former.

The new letter was sent to the World Bank after a Pakistani delegation of the Indus Waters Commission was not allowed to visit various controversial projects in India, including Kishanganga and Ratle schemes.

In December 2016, the bank had announced that it had “paused” the process for either appointing a COA or a neutral expert and started mediation between the two countries on how to advance and develop consensus in the light of the treaty on the mechanism for resolution of faulty designs of the two projects.

Since then the bank has arranged two rounds of talks between the two sides but the Indians kept on building the project. On completion of the scheme, Pakistan proposed some modifications to partially address its concerns over the Kishanganga project’s design for water storage without affecting its power generation capacity, but in vain.

The last round of bank-facilitated and secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan were held in Washington in September that ended in disappointment for the latter. In view of the inability of the parties to agree on whether a COA or a neutral expert is the way forward, the World Bank is reported to have called another round of discussions to minimise the differences but failed to bring New Delhi to the negotiating table.

Pakistan had raised a number of objections over the design of the two projects at the level of Permanent Indus Waters Commission almost eight years ago followed by secretary-level talks and then requests for arbitration through the World Bank.

Under the treaty, in case the parties fail to resolve disputes through bilateral means the aggrieved party has the option to invoke the jurisdiction of the International Court of Arbitration or the neutral expert under the auspices of the World Bank. The jurisdiction of the court could be invoked either jointly by the two parties or by any party as envisaged under Article IX (5), (b) or (c) of the treaty for constitution of a seven-member arbitration panel.

Pakistan’s experience with both the international forums — neutral expert and CoA — has not been satisfactory for varying reasons and outcomes, partially due to domestic weaknesses including delayed decision-making.

Pakistan first challenged the Baglihar hydroelectric project before the neutral expert and then the Kishanganga and Wuller Barrage projects before the CoA.

Islamabad has been under criticism at home for losing its rights through legal battles instead of building diplomatic pressure in world capitals to stop India from carrying out “water aggression”. Pakistan felt its water rights were being violated by India on two rivers, the Chenab and Jhelum, through faulty designs of Ratle and Kishanganga projects, respectively.

An official said the government had originally decided to take up the matter at the international forums provided for in the 1960 treaty back in December 2015 but the process was delayed for unknown reasons.

Pakistan believed that Kishanganga’s pondage should be a maximum of one million cubic metres instead of 7.5 million cubic metres, intake should be up to four metres and spillways should be raised to nine metres.

About the Ratle project, Pakistan had four objections. Freeboard should be one metre instead of two metres, pondage should be a maximum of eight million cubic metres instead of 24 million, intake level should be at 8.8 metres and spillways at the height of 20 metres.

It believes the Indian design of Ratle project would reduce Chenab flows by 40 per cent at Head Marala and cause considerable irrigation loss to crops. The Ratle dam is believed to be three times larger than the Baglihar dam.

Under the provisions of the Indus Water Treaty, the waters of the eastern rivers — the Sutlej, Beas and Ravi — had been allocated to India and that of the western rivers — the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — to Pakistan except for certain non-consumptive uses.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1399675/p...bank-after-india-builds-kishanganga-on-neelum
 
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too late from Pakistani side thanx to pmln and nooras

I don't think thats the case. You see, as per the IWT, World Bank is the Guarantor of the treaty. Pakistan approached it in 2016 alright. Just that, by that time, You had pissed off Uncle Sam a lil too much and we all know who controls the World Bank. All the chest beating aside, this is what happens when you are Screwed by the US of A. Also, India will now speedily build Pakul Dul and other dams.

Work on 2 power projects to begin, finally
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kashmir/work-on-2-power-projects-to-begin-finally/274741.html

In the next 4-5 years India will exercise a lot more leverage over Pakistan than it does now.
 
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I don't think thats the case. You see, as per the IWT, World Bank is the Guarantor of the treaty. Pakistan approached it in 2016 alright. Just that, by that time, You had pissed off Uncle Sam a lil too much and we all know who controls the World Bank. All the chest beating aside, this is what happens when you are Screwed by the US of A. Also, India will now speedily build Pakul Dul and other dams.

Work on 2 power projects to begin, finally
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kashmir/work-on-2-power-projects-to-begin-finally/274741.html

By the next 4-5 years India will exercise a lot more leverage over Pakistan than it does now.

well there wont b any leverage there will definitely be a major war in 2023 or 2025 between india and Pakistan and the best thing is it wont b on water it will be a misadventure and over confidence of india that will ignite the war and mark my at the end of the war Pakistanis will end up using the dams
 
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well there wont b any leverage there will definitely be a major war in 2023 or 2025 between india and Pakistan and the best thing is it wont b on water it will be a misadventure and over confidence of india that will ignite the war and mark my at the end of the war Pakistanis will end up using the dams

Well, all the bravado and gusto aside, Lets see what you can do about Kishanganga Dam first. Also do read up on the Opinion of the Neutral Expert on Bhagliar and of the COA award on kishanganga which allowed India to divert rivers to build dams. The Problem is Pakistani Govts are busy claiming victory when they get defeated.

Also we were able to Commission Kishanganga Dam before you.
BHEL fully commissions 330 MW Kishanganga in J&K
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...330-mw-kishanganga-in-j-k-118040401042_1.html

Why has Neelum Jhelum taken 30 years and is still not commissioned? You can't blame than on the Indians too right?
 
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Well, all the bravado and gusto aside, Lets see what you can do about Kishanganga Dam first. Also do read up on the Opinion of the Neutral Expert on Bhagliar and of the COA award on kishanganga which allowed India to divert rivers to build dams. The Problem is Pakistani Govts are busy claiming victory when they get defeated.

Also we were able to Commission Kishanganga Dam before you.
BHEL fully commissions 330 MW Kishanganga in J&K
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...330-mw-kishanganga-in-j-k-118040401042_1.html

Why has Neelum Jhelum taken 30 years and is still not commissioned? You can't blame than on the Indians too right?

corruption in Pakistani politics... whatelse
 
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well there wont b any leverage there will definitely be a major war in 2023 or 2025 between india and Pakistan and the best thing is it wont b on water it will be a misadventure and over confidence of india that will ignite the war and mark my at the end of the war Pakistanis will end up using the dams

All India has to do is open the dam gates and cause floods in pakistan...
 
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Musharuff Ruled you for 8 years, so don't put all the blame on the politicians. Also since he was a dictator,there was nothing holding him back. Still no result. No power plant, No kalabagh dam and no expedition on work on Neelum Jhelum.

ohh well then I think storing water wasnt prioritized

All India has to do is open the dam gates and cause floods in pakistan...
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Pakistan approaches World Bank after India builds Kishanganga on Neelum

Updated April 05, 2018


ISLAMABAD: Having confirmed that India has completed the controversial Kishanganga hydropower project, Pakistan has asked the World Bank to recognise its responsibility under the Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 to address its concerns over two disputed projects.

A government official told Dawn that power division of the energy ministry sent a fresh communiqué early this week to the bank’s vice president urging the international organisation to “recognise its responsibility” and play its role to ensure that India abided by the provisions of the 1960 treaty while building the projects.

The official said there was no doubt that India had completed the 330MW Kishanganga project during the period the World Bank “paused” the process for constitution of a Court of Arbitration (COA) as requested by Pakistan in early 2016. The Pakistani request was countered by India by calling for a neutral expert.

Pakistan had called for resolution of disputes over Kishanganga project on the Neelum river and 850MW Ratle hydropower project on the Chenab.

The official said the letter had reached the bank’s head office in Washington and had been delivered to its vice president concerned as confirmed by Pakistan’s director to the bank.

When asked what the government expected now that India had completed the Kishanganga project, the official said the authorities could not just sit back and had to take the matter to its logical conclusion.

Islamabad had received reports in August of 2017 that New Delhi had completed the Kishanganga project as per the design that had been objected to by the former.

The new letter was sent to the World Bank after a Pakistani delegation of the Indus Waters Commission was not allowed to visit various controversial projects in India, including Kishanganga and Ratle schemes.

In December 2016, the bank had announced that it had “paused” the process for either appointing a COA or a neutral expert and started mediation between the two countries on how to advance and develop consensus in the light of the treaty on the mechanism for resolution of faulty designs of the two projects.

Since then the bank has arranged two rounds of talks between the two sides but the Indians kept on building the project. On completion of the scheme, Pakistan proposed some modifications to partially address its concerns over the Kishanganga project’s design for water storage without affecting its power generation capacity, but in vain.

The last round of bank-facilitated and secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan were held in Washington in September that ended in disappointment for the latter. In view of the inability of the parties to agree on whether a COA or a neutral expert is the way forward, the World Bank is reported to have called another round of discussions to minimise the differences but failed to bring New Delhi to the negotiating table.

Pakistan had raised a number of objections over the design of the two projects at the level of Permanent Indus Waters Commission almost eight years ago followed by secretary-level talks and then requests for arbitration through the World Bank.

Under the treaty, in case the parties fail to resolve disputes through bilateral means the aggrieved party has the option to invoke the jurisdiction of the International Court of Arbitration or the neutral expert under the auspices of the World Bank. The jurisdiction of the court could be invoked either jointly by the two parties or by any party as envisaged under Article IX (5), (b) or (c) of the treaty for constitution of a seven-member arbitration panel.

Pakistan’s experience with both the international forums — neutral expert and CoA — has not been satisfactory for varying reasons and outcomes, partially due to domestic weaknesses including delayed decision-making.

Pakistan first challenged the Baglihar hydroelectric project before the neutral expert and then the Kishanganga and Wuller Barrage projects before the CoA.

Islamabad has been under criticism at home for losing its rights through legal battles instead of building diplomatic pressure in world capitals to stop India from carrying out “water aggression”. Pakistan felt its water rights were being violated by India on two rivers, the Chenab and Jhelum, through faulty designs of Ratle and Kishanganga projects, respectively.

An official said the government had originally decided to take up the matter at the international forums provided for in the 1960 treaty back in December 2015 but the process was delayed for unknown reasons.

Pakistan believed that Kishanganga’s pondage should be a maximum of one million cubic metres instead of 7.5 million cubic metres, intake should be up to four metres and spillways should be raised to nine metres.

About the Ratle project, Pakistan had four objections. Freeboard should be one metre instead of two metres, pondage should be a maximum of eight million cubic metres instead of 24 million, intake level should be at 8.8 metres and spillways at the height of 20 metres.

It believes the Indian design of Ratle project would reduce Chenab flows by 40 per cent at Head Marala and cause considerable irrigation loss to crops. The Ratle dam is believed to be three times larger than the Baglihar dam.

Under the provisions of the Indus Water Treaty, the waters of the eastern rivers — the Sutlej, Beas and Ravi — had been allocated to India and that of the western rivers — the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — to Pakistan except for certain non-consumptive uses.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1399675/p...bank-after-india-builds-kishanganga-on-neelum

This is good and dempcratic. All must abide by the judgement of world bank.
 
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Not really, your budgetary allocations for the infra projects and towards public welfare as a whole has been grossly inadequate over the years, not unsurprising for a military state.
that is what you think but we know the actual problem is 1. corruption 2. water is not the priority for them at all
 
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ohh well then I think storing water wasnt prioritized

Touche.
Pakistan Must Stop Blaming India for Its Water Woes
4 APRIL 2018

Benjamin Walsh, Research Analyst, Global Food and Water Crises Research Programme

  • Pakistan sees India as overly belligerent and determined to cut off an already vulnerable country’s access to the water it needs to fuel its agricultural industry. At times, Pakistan has attempted to combat what it sees as Indian intransigence with heavy international pressure. In 2016, Pakistan initiated proceedings to have India referred to the International Court of Arbitration in The Hague over India’s planned dams on the Kishenganga and Ratle rivers. It has especially welcomed the pressure China has placed on India. The annual Indus meetings are another tool that Pakistani politicians and media types employ to blame India for their country’s water crisis.

    A common theme that surfaces at every annual meeting of the PIC is the idea that Indian dam building is the reason why Pakistan finds itself so water scarce. The IWT grants Pakistan the right to diplomatically challenge any Indian hydro project or development strategy that involves building on rivers that flow into Pakistan, and rightly so. Nonetheless, Pakistan’s insistence on bringing up Indian dam building as the reason why Pakistan is so water scarce is not just a common staple of bilateral water diplomacy, but a product of Pakistan’s India-centric foreign policy that attempts to exonerate the many domestic barriers to Pakistani water security.

    There is nothing wrong with using the PIC to challenge Indian hydro projects. Overextending the Commission’s mandate and using those challenges to blame India for many problems arguably caused by domestic Pakistani policy is, however, demonstrable of the real problem: wilful neglect.

    The Pakistani media, as well as the Indian media when it covers Pakistan, have realised that anti-Indian coverage boosts viewership and ratings. The vast majority of Pakistanis probably know that serious environmental damage caused by flooding and heavy rainfall is not caused by India, but by their own government’s inability to prepare for them. It is much easier for citizens to believe, and for politicians to argue, that domestic water problems could not possibly be the fault of domestic policymakers.

    As this author
    has written elsewhere, Pakistan does more to blame India than it does to construct any sort of domestic capability aimed at managing existing water supplies. India has built thousands more dams than Pakistan and, while complaining of Indian troublemaking, Pakistan has refused to financially contribute to the management of the rivers that flowing into it from Afghanistan. Even though India is adhering to its legal obligations under the IWT, including the 2013 ruling by The Hague that requires India to provide a minimum of nine cubic metres per second of water in the Kishanganga River, Pakistani politicians complain that it is an ‘inefficient forum for resolving water issues’.

    Given that Pakistan has taken a treaty designed to promote transboundary co-operation and attempted to use it to appease its India-centric foreign policy, it is, therefore, no surprise that that is Pakistan’s overall assumption of the IWT and the PIC. The “inefficient forum” has been called just that because Pakistani politicians have expected it to address Pakistan’s water crisis in a way that they would like it to. For Pakistan, in that light, the forum is unlikely to be successful because politicians are treating a domestic crisis as a foreign policy problem. Pakistan needs to focus on the effects that rapid urbanisation, poor urban planning, high youth unemployment, the population bomb and government corruption has on the country’s water problems. It seems that a readjustment of perspective might be a more useful first step to take.

    http://www.futuredirections.org.au/publication/pakistan-must-stop-blaming-india-water-woes/

 
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corruption in Pakistani politics... whatelse

Question for you- These water wars and articles on them have been here for a long while on PDF. And I have read where folks like you blame the civilian government frequently for the situation.

Question: Has Pakistan every won any such disputes under the military dictatorship?
 
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Touche.
Pakistan Must Stop Blaming India for Its Water Woes
4 APRIL 2018

Benjamin Walsh, Research Analyst, Global Food and Water Crises Research Programme

  • Pakistan sees India as overly belligerent and determined to cut off an already vulnerable country’s access to the water it needs to fuel its agricultural industry. At times, Pakistan has attempted to combat what it sees as Indian intransigence with heavy international pressure. In 2016, Pakistan initiated proceedings to have India referred to the International Court of Arbitration in The Hague over India’s planned dams on the Kishenganga and Ratle rivers. It has especially welcomed the pressure China has placed on India. The annual Indus meetings are another tool that Pakistani politicians and media types employ to blame India for their country’s water crisis.

    A common theme that surfaces at every annual meeting of the PIC is the idea that Indian dam building is the reason why Pakistan finds itself so water scarce. The IWT grants Pakistan the right to diplomatically challenge any Indian hydro project or development strategy that involves building on rivers that flow into Pakistan, and rightly so. Nonetheless, Pakistan’s insistence on bringing up Indian dam building as the reason why Pakistan is so water scarce is not just a common staple of bilateral water diplomacy, but a product of Pakistan’s India-centric foreign policy that attempts to exonerate the many domestic barriers to Pakistani water security.

    There is nothing wrong with using the PIC to challenge Indian hydro projects. Overextending the Commission’s mandate and using those challenges to blame India for many problems arguably caused by domestic Pakistani policy is, however, demonstrable of the real problem: wilful neglect.

    The Pakistani media, as well as the Indian media when it covers Pakistan, have realised that anti-Indian coverage boosts viewership and ratings. The vast majority of Pakistanis probably know that serious environmental damage caused by flooding and heavy rainfall is not caused by India, but by their own government’s inability to prepare for them. It is much easier for citizens to believe, and for politicians to argue, that domestic water problems could not possibly be the fault of domestic policymakers.

    As this author
    has written elsewhere, Pakistan does more to blame India than it does to construct any sort of domestic capability aimed at managing existing water supplies. India has built thousands more dams than Pakistan and, while complaining of Indian troublemaking, Pakistan has refused to financially contribute to the management of the rivers that flowing into it from Afghanistan. Even though India is adhering to its legal obligations under the IWT, including the 2013 ruling by The Hague that requires India to provide a minimum of nine cubic metres per second of water in the Kishanganga River, Pakistani politicians complain that it is an ‘inefficient forum for resolving water issues’.

    Given that Pakistan has taken a treaty designed to promote transboundary co-operation and attempted to use it to appease its India-centric foreign policy, it is, therefore, no surprise that that is Pakistan’s overall assumption of the IWT and the PIC. The “inefficient forum” has been called just that because Pakistani politicians have expected it to address Pakistan’s water crisis in a way that they would like it to. For Pakistan, in that light, the forum is unlikely to be successful because politicians are treating a domestic crisis as a foreign policy problem. Pakistan needs to focus on the effects that rapid urbanisation, poor urban planning, high youth unemployment, the population bomb and government corruption has on the country’s water problems. It seems that a readjustment of perspective might be a more useful first step to take.

    http://www.futuredirections.org.au/publication/pakistan-must-stop-blaming-india-water-woes/

again i say the same there is a rampant corruption and water is not prioritized even now in last 7 or 8 yrs water issue is seen as a crucial thing for the future in india otherwise it wasnt considered soo important and i believe the elites think they can afford mineral water bottles and it is the poor public who has to drink tap water soo it is not the issue for them

Question for you- These water wars and articles on them have been here for a long while on PDF. And I have read where folks like you blame the civilian government frequently for the situation.

Question: Has Pakistan every won any such disputes under the military dictatorship?

well when we say water war that means war not disputes in world bank or imf or international arbitrary court... and i dont have any idea because i didnt research soo much about winning a dispute under dictatorship
 
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