Pakistan announces 5th-gen fighter and medium-altitude long-endurance UAV programs

[BetterPakistan]

Steps in the right direction by PAF.

 

[dy1022]

China itself is heavily reliant on russia for engines and avionics, it would take a decade or two or perfect the art and later it would be given to pakistan.

Avionics? What the hell are you smoking right now? Must be too strong for you , Russia imported more than billions usd of electronics from China since 2014.

 

[KRAIT]

P.S; Good to see you back.

A new 5th gen fighter program will take a long time to deliver.. already over a decade..

Thanks buddy.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

China itself is heavily reliant on russia for engines and avionics, it would take a decade or two or perfect the art and later it would be given to pakistan.

The avionics on JF-17,SM are Pakistani designed..

JF-17s avionics were influenced by Gripen (which was tested by PAF) and F-16..

Infact F-16 pilots were the main contributors to it.

And China .. lol, they produce several jets.. JH-7,J-10,J-20,J-31,J series flankers..

So cut the crap.

 

[Hassan Psy]

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These machines on the left side of Backdrop, Are the just Google searched pics or they are some sort of concept models ??? Just curious to know

 

[fitpOsitive]

Do you know .. the first drone in Pakistan was developed by a private company?

integrated Dynamic Solutions? The founder of the company is ironically a former employee of SUPARCO...

And the company is even exporting uavs to EU & North America.

Hm that employee is a graduate of MIT

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hm that employee is a graduate of MIT

The point being..

Talent not being utilised.

 

[fitpOsitive]

The point being..

Talent not being utilised.

I know his story. Sad indeed.

 

[Maler]

So as per the article, Burraq is basically CH-3!!!

 

[turbofan7a]

The avionics on JF-17,SM are Pakistani designed..

JF-17s avionics were influenced by Gripen (which was tested by PAF) and F-16..

Infact F-16 pilots were the main contributors to it.

And China .. lol, they produce several jets.. JH-7,J-10,J-20,J-31,J series flankers..

So cut the crap.

Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.

Avionics? What the hell are you smoking right now? Must be too strong for you , Russia imported more than billions usd of electronics from China since 2014.

Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.

 

[AKD]

Congrats. Steps in Righy direction.

 

[SOHEIL]

Which engine will power it?

Not J-85s or any other turbojets... It's all i can tell you!

I believe you are talking about light years.? period

What ever you say...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.



Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.

What you are talking about is something like ECM/EW suites.

As for radar..

Sorry to tell you, but PAF is also looking at producing an AESA radar (ground surveillance ones are already there) itself:
In his speech celebrating Pakistan Aeronautical Complex’s (PAC) achievement of overhauling its 1,000th aircraft, the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman stated that PAC’s future lies in the development of active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radars.

Designed to overcome the electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) weaknesses of legacy pulse-Doppler radars, AESA radars have effectively become the standard for modern air, land and naval applications. Functionally, AESA radars utilize many individual transmit/receive – or transceiver – modules (TRM), each emitting its own radio signal as though (in simple terms) it is a mini-radar.

Thus, an AESA radar system is transmits in different signals, which makes it difficult for EW/ECM systems, such as digital radio frequency memory (DRFM)-based jammers. DRFM jammers operate by singling out an opposing radar’s radio waves, and then re-transmitting in the same signal. In turn, the radar would be at risk of jamming. However, because AESA radars transmit in many different signals, and change those signals with each pulse, jamming is more difficult.

The PAF is intending to configure the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III with an AESA radar, which it is expected to select in May (Aviation Week). The leading candidates are the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7A and Leonardo Vixen 1000E. It is unclear if transfer-of-technology for licensed local production is on the table for either option, but PAC’s Avionics Production Factory does list the KLJ-7 and Grifo-7 among the systems it produces, though the extent is not known.

While one can expect licensed manufacturing of AESA radar components for the JF-17, the PAF could also direct PAC towards the more ambitious – and commensurately rewarding – route of becoming Pakistan’s main radar vendor. In other words, turnkey domestic AESA radar manufacturing, which would provide the armed forces with substantially greater freedom (to configure their weapon systems) and, over the long-term, provide cost-savings by reducing imports (and increasing work for the local industry).

In fact, one of the underlying pieces of an AESA radar – i.e. the active phased-array TRM – can be applied to EW/ECM and other sensor solutions, such as synthetic aperture radars (SAR) for ground-mapping. PAC mastering this technology would enable to undertake a significant amount of development work, not just for the PAF, but the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Navy as well. In terms of applications, PAC could produce modern EW/ECM suites, SAR and AESA radars, and solutions for onboard fighter aircraft, special mission aircraft, drones, naval warships, and land-based integrated air defence systems.

The potential benefits are significant, but the methods available to Pakistan for undertaking the effort of possessing its own AESA radar technology are another matter. The armed forces will need to invest in the country’s organic research and development (R&D) base to build the requisite technical competency, especially in terms of human resources and industry infrastructure. Even in the best-case scenario of collaborating with a technology partner in China and/or Turkey, Pakistan will need to have to contribute to the overall effort, lest it be just a recipient. In such cases, it may be difficult to open collaborative routes. The Transfer-of-technology route would also be capital-heavy, and it too would require building domestic skills and infrastructure (to absorb the technology). Organic R&D investment is essential. Kamra Aviation City, which is due to start post-graduate programs in April 2017, would be a means to execute on this necessity (for AESA radars as well as the next-generation fighter program).

To his credit, ACM Sohail Aman has maintained a consistent stand in that he has been openly assertive of indigenization, stating that supply-side independence is the core objective of the PAF’s current roadmap – Vision 2030. Given the applicability of AESA radar technology for land and sea applications, one would hope that support for this initiative would also come from the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Navy. With the country’s fiscal limitations, tri-services collaboration would certainly help, especially for forming the basic R&D foundations to enable serious development.

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.



Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.

ofz, sub system purchased will be integrated by supplier ... Desert fighter is talking about all the control program of the fighter which control avionics, display, weapon system, flight controls and their integration ...

In layman term ,, if you procure a mouse for a system it will bring his own driver which has to be compatible with the operating system on the computer but key thing is operating system of the computer and not driver of the mouse

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It was 500 mn for jf17 and see where it stands, more like flies now

In their mindset everything is tied to the "budget"!!! Without a proper budget you can't even have a decent son-in-law for your daughter according to my Indian colleagues!!!!