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In July 1949, Liaquat Ali Khan as president of Pakistan faced a complex imbroglio. India and Pakistan were in their inception. In a world composed of two opposing political blocs, the two nations had to choose sides quickly. They had the option of joining America with its sumptuous democratic one-liner of “a chicken in the pot and two cars in the garage,” or turn to the USSR.

US President Harry S. Truman, wary of a rising communist domino effect, made an overture to India’s Nehru in 1948 to visit America, the world of dreams. This move spurred Russia to send a counter invitation to Pakistan and its premier Liaquat Ali Khan. This invitation, in turn, prompted an invitation from the US to the Pakistani premier. Liaquat Ali Khan had some rather lissome options on his table. It was then that he decided that it would be America that he would visit, and it would be America that would help Pakistan out of the issues confronting it at its inception. This is something which surprisingly never happened.

In the interim, Pakistan and Russia enjoyed a topsy-turvy relationship. By the 1960’s, Ayub Khan had realized that it was Russia and not America that had the intention of serving as a panacea for all of Pakistan’s problems. The trust in America’s help had further deteriorated in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. India had been duly backed by Russia — both in the war and on the negotiating tables at Tashkent. The US, however, had shown Pakistan a cold shoulder. This was something that angered Ayub Khan and which motivated him to write his book “Friends, Not Masters.” The Dhaka Debacle and the 1971 Bangladesh war had shown Russia was indeed an Indian Ally. The US was also an ally, but with lots of strings attached.

Pakistan had come to understand through numerous dealings that Russia kept its word. The building of the Russian-backed Pipri Steel Mill was an instructive example. But Russia’s interest in Pakistan suffered a major blow when Pakistan played a key role in forcing Russia from Afghanistan. The Afghan debacle also played an important part in the fall of the Soviet Union. The fall meant that Russia was in no position to challenge, even distantly, the advantage that the U.S. had gained in the region.

Fast-forward to 2015. After nearly 20 years of progress under Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, Russia is again at the forefront of nations. Over two decades, Pakistan has also become a nuclear-capable nation — an achievement that had previously eluded it. Russia has also become as aggressive as it’s always been. Under Putin, it has found a messiah who ensures that the massive nation doesn’t disintegrate like the Soviet Union. He has made sure that Russia is indeed a force to reckoned with.

In bilateral terms, developments in both nations over two decades presently signal that Russia needs Pakistan and Pakistan needs Russia. In its quest to find a messiah in America, Pakistan had the serendipity to discover Russia. Asia in the 21st century is quite different than it was in the past. Ideological differences and a shift in the locus of power has left the region open to exploitation and languor. Asia desperately needs a bloc of superpowers that will guarantee that its affairs run smoothly.

This is where the idea of geopolitical bloc between Pakistan, China and Russia gains traction. Pakistan and India have always been archenemies. The two countries represent each other’s nemesis. This is why Pakistan needs Russia. Pakistan, because of its distinct and everlasting enmity with India, cannot afford to be part of a regional bloc that has India sitting at the top of the hierarchy.

Pakistan, from this standpoint, is better off joining a bloc made up of China and Russia — nations that have the power to offset India. If Pakistan wants her voice to be heard, if Pakistan feels it can have an impact on the future events in Asia, then mending ties with Russia is perhaps the best way to go. A careful analysis of recent events leads to the conclusion that the old enmities stirred by Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin a generation ago have all but disappeared and that diplomatic exchanges between the two countries are mounting.

This situation has created an unhindered path for Pakistan, a path that may lead to a successful bloc. What’s more, Asia boasts of only 5 nations that are members of the nuclear club: Russia, China, Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea, with Iran aspiring to join the list. Pakistan is in a strong position in a world where nations are divided into those who have nuclear weapons and those that don’t.

Israel is an American ally, hence intervention against this bloc from their side is not anticipated. A coalition between China, Russia and Pakistan would greatly threaten their role and power in Asia. With three of the nuke powers in one bloc, it would be impossible for either India or Israel to pose a threat. In this complex situation, India has played its cards in a reactionary way as well. China’s interest in economic gains from Pakistan’s Gwadar port has left India in a state of shock and desperation. They have reacted by initiating funding to develop funding for the Chabahar port in Iran, near the port of Gwadar. India feels so threatened by growing China-Pakistan ties that its building an alliance with Israel and Iran. To counter this alliance, Pakistan and Russia need to revive their relations and turn over a new page of diplomacy, a page that would put both on a path to regional supremacy.

Beyond regional supremacy, there are other gains to be made by Pakistan and Russia. A recent visit to Russia by Chief of Army Staff Pakistan Raheel Shareef suggests that both countries are eager to build cooperative military relations where both can come to each other’s aid. There’s also speculation that a deal has been reached between the two nations regarding the exchange and purchase of high-tech weapons from Russia. This would create a welcome opportunity for Pakistan which has suffered from Washington’s steps to keep advaned US weapons out of Pakistani hands.

Putin’s decision to not visit Pakistan during Zardari’s presidency had more to do with Pakistan’s dubious foreign policy at the time than Russian intentions. Russia had sought good relations with Pakistan. But Zardari’s unwillingness to strongly support Russia resulted in the visit’s cancellation. Relations between Pakistan and Russia are a pastiche of sorts, a journey that has all kinds of flavors. It’s a relationship that’s seen enmity and is now experiencing friendship. Popular opinion in Pakistan now favors the pursuit of this exhilarating friendship with Russia. There is not much chance of failure as Henry Kissinger once evocatively said: “No foreign policy — no matter how ingenious — has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none.”
Pakistan and Russia — a comely dalliance: Opinion | Asia Times
 
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There is a natural power alignment in our region, both China and Russia have seen Pakistan rise from doom with their eyes wide open. We have much to offer in geography & and we boast a strong battle hardened military. Pakistan also is the 3rd largest country in the region after China and Russia respectively. With Chinese and Russian interests becoming intertwined in Pakistan, the India will become the biggest loser.
 
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"Putin’s decision to not visit Pakistan during Zardari’s presidency had more to do with Pakistan’s dubious foreign policy at the time than Russian intentions. Russia had sought good relations with Pakistan. But Zardari’s unwillingness to strongly support Russia resulted in the visit’s cancellation. Relations between Pakistan and Russia are a pastiche of sorts, a journey that has all kinds of flavors. It’s a relationship that’s seen enmity and is now experiencing friendship. Popular opinion in Pakistan now favors the pursuit of this exhilarating friendship with Russia. There is not much chance of failure as Henry Kissinger once evocatively said: “No foreign policy — no matter how ingenious — has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none.”"

We have been asked few questions why was Russia cancel the visit? Now the bold parts already explained it clearly. No wonder Zardari has destroyed Pakistan from his presidency.

"In the interim, Pakistan and Russia enjoyed a topsy-turvy relationship. By the 1960’s, Ayub Khan had realized that it was Russia and not America that had the intention of serving as a panacea for all of Pakistan’s problems. The trust in America’s help had further deteriorated in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. India had been duly backed by Russia — both in the war and on the negotiating tables at Tashkent. The US, however, had shown Pakistan a cold shoulder. This was something that angered Ayub Khan and which motivated him to write his book “Friends, Not Masters.” The Dhaka Debacle and the 1971 Bangladesh war had shown Russia was indeed an Indian Ally. The US was also an ally, but with lots of strings attached."

India has to dump Russia to be new ally with US but comes with a lots of strings attached no doubt. For example US-India civilian nuclear deal hasn't complete more than 7 years.
 
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"Putin’s decision to not visit Pakistan during Zardari’s presidency had more to do with Pakistan’s dubious foreign policy at the time than Russian intentions. Russia had sought good relations with Pakistan. But Zardari’s unwillingness to strongly support Russia resulted in the visit’s cancellation. Relations between Pakistan and Russia are a pastiche of sorts, a journey that has all kinds of flavors. It’s a relationship that’s seen enmity and is now experiencing friendship. Popular opinion in Pakistan now favors the pursuit of this exhilarating friendship with Russia. There is not much chance of failure as Henry Kissinger once evocatively said: “No foreign policy — no matter how ingenious — has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none.”"

We have been asked few questions why was Russia cancel the visit? Now the bold parts already explained it clearly. No wonder Zardari has destroyed Pakistan from his presidency.

"In the interim, Pakistan and Russia enjoyed a topsy-turvy relationship. By the 1960’s, Ayub Khan had realized that it was Russia and not America that had the intention of serving as a panacea for all of Pakistan’s problems. The trust in America’s help had further deteriorated in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. India had been duly backed by Russia — both in the war and on the negotiating tables at Tashkent. The US, however, had shown Pakistan a cold shoulder. This was something that angered Ayub Khan and which motivated him to write his book “Friends, Not Masters.” The Dhaka Debacle and the 1971 Bangladesh war had shown Russia was indeed an Indian Ally. The US was also an ally, but with lots of strings attached."

India has to dump Russia to be new ally with US but comes with a lots of strings attached no doubt. For example US-India civilian nuclear deal hasn't complete more than 7 years.

Not true at all.
Foreign policy in pakistan is dictated by the GHQ and not the NRO propped Zardari. Even If the GHQ wants relations with Israel, it will happen.

In July 1949, Liaquat Ali Khan as president of Pakistan faced a complex imbroglio. India and Pakistan were in their inception. In a world composed of two opposing political blocs, the two nations had to choose sides quickly. They had the option of joining America with its sumptuous democratic one-liner of “a chicken in the pot and two cars in the garage,” or turn to the USSR.

US President Harry S. Truman, wary of a rising communist domino effect, made an overture to India’s Nehru in 1948 to visit America, the world of dreams. This move spurred Russia to send a counter invitation to Pakistan and its premier Liaquat Ali Khan. This invitation, in turn, prompted an invitation from the US to the Pakistani premier. Liaquat Ali Khan had some rather lissome options on his table. It was then that he decided that it would be America that he would visit, and it would be America that would help Pakistan out of the issues confronting it at its inception. This is something which surprisingly never happened.

In the interim, Pakistan and Russia enjoyed a topsy-turvy relationship. By the 1960’s, Ayub Khan had realized that it was Russia and not America that had the intention of serving as a panacea for all of Pakistan’s problems. The trust in America’s help had further deteriorated in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. India had been duly backed by Russia — both in the war and on the negotiating tables at Tashkent. The US, however, had shown Pakistan a cold shoulder. This was something that angered Ayub Khan and which motivated him to write his book “Friends, Not Masters.” The Dhaka Debacle and the 1971 Bangladesh war had shown Russia was indeed an Indian Ally. The US was also an ally, but with lots of strings attached.

Pakistan had come to understand through numerous dealings that Russia kept its word. The building of the Russian-backed Pipri Steel Mill was an instructive example. But Russia’s interest in Pakistan suffered a major blow when Pakistan played a key role in forcing Russia from Afghanistan. The Afghan debacle also played an important part in the fall of the Soviet Union. The fall meant that Russia was in no position to challenge, even distantly, the advantage that the U.S. had gained in the region.

Fast-forward to 2015. After nearly 20 years of progress under Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, Russia is again at the forefront of nations. Over two decades, Pakistan has also become a nuclear-capable nation — an achievement that had previously eluded it. Russia has also become as aggressive as it’s always been. Under Putin, it has found a messiah who ensures that the massive nation doesn’t disintegrate like the Soviet Union. He has made sure that Russia is indeed a force to reckoned with.

In bilateral terms, developments in both nations over two decades presently signal that Russia needs Pakistan and Pakistan needs Russia. In its quest to find a messiah in America, Pakistan had the serendipity to discover Russia. Asia in the 21st century is quite different than it was in the past. Ideological differences and a shift in the locus of power has left the region open to exploitation and languor. Asia desperately needs a bloc of superpowers that will guarantee that its affairs run smoothly.

This is where the idea of geopolitical bloc between Pakistan, China and Russia gains traction. Pakistan and India have always been archenemies. The two countries represent each other’s nemesis. This is why Pakistan needs Russia. Pakistan, because of its distinct and everlasting enmity with India, cannot afford to be part of a regional bloc that has India sitting at the top of the hierarchy.

Pakistan, from this standpoint, is better off joining a bloc made up of China and Russia — nations that have the power to offset India. If Pakistan wants her voice to be heard, if Pakistan feels it can have an impact on the future events in Asia, then mending ties with Russia is perhaps the best way to go. A careful analysis of recent events leads to the conclusion that the old enmities stirred by Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin a generation ago have all but disappeared and that diplomatic exchanges between the two countries are mounting.

This situation has created an unhindered path for Pakistan, a path that may lead to a successful bloc. What’s more, Asia boasts of only 5 nations that are members of the nuclear club: Russia, China, Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea, with Iran aspiring to join the list. Pakistan is in a strong position in a world where nations are divided into those who have nuclear weapons and those that don’t.

Israel is an American ally, hence intervention against this bloc from their side is not anticipated. A coalition between China, Russia and Pakistan would greatly threaten their role and power in Asia. With three of the nuke powers in one bloc, it would be impossible for either India or Israel to pose a threat. In this complex situation, India has played its cards in a reactionary way as well. China’s interest in economic gains from Pakistan’s Gwadar port has left India in a state of shock and desperation. They have reacted by initiating funding to develop funding for the Chabahar port in Iran, near the port of Gwadar. India feels so threatened by growing China-Pakistan ties that its building an alliance with Israel and Iran. To counter this alliance, Pakistan and Russia need to revive their relations and turn over a new page of diplomacy, a page that would put both on a path to regional supremacy.

Beyond regional supremacy, there are other gains to be made by Pakistan and Russia. A recent visit to Russia by Chief of Army Staff Pakistan Raheel Shareef suggests that both countries are eager to build cooperative military relations where both can come to each other’s aid. There’s also speculation that a deal has been reached between the two nations regarding the exchange and purchase of high-tech weapons from Russia. This would create a welcome opportunity for Pakistan which has suffered from Washington’s steps to keep advaned US weapons out of Pakistani hands.

Putin’s decision to not visit Pakistan during Zardari’s presidency had more to do with Pakistan’s dubious foreign policy at the time than Russian intentions. Russia had sought good relations with Pakistan. But Zardari’s unwillingness to strongly support Russia resulted in the visit’s cancellation. Relations between Pakistan and Russia are a pastiche of sorts, a journey that has all kinds of flavors. It’s a relationship that’s seen enmity and is now experiencing friendship. Popular opinion in Pakistan now favors the pursuit of this exhilarating friendship with Russia. There is not much chance of failure as Henry Kissinger once evocatively said: “No foreign policy — no matter how ingenious — has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none.”
Pakistan and Russia — a comely dalliance: Opinion | Asia Times

This not a realistic analysis. Pakistan has sided with the US whether it was giving bases to them during the 60s, 80s and 2000s. Russia in turn supported India to take away bangladesh.

Pakistan in turn fought along side the US against USSR in Afghanistan. Lets see a new alignment comes up. Pakistan and Russia.
 
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There is no "natural alignment" here. It is merely an alternative version of the 50s and 60s repeated, this time with another benefactor. The end will be the same tears all over again.
 
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Pakistan was and will remain ally of US for at least one or two centuries. India was always pro-Russian and will remain engaged with Russia in future. It only went to west for newer technology from US and its allies.

Pakistan on the other hand is allied with both China and US. Both are powerful nation. Now because of China, we are getting close to Russia. Pakistan was important for US because of its location. Afghanistan came after. China and Russia can gain much more from Pakistan and Pakistan can also get huge benefit from both nations. This would be something US would never be able to do.

It is time for Pakistan to work with Russia for their own interest. This will not be good for US and its influence in this region. That is why they may use India this time for their interest.

US is far away from Pakistan. Russia ad China are close to us. We should cooperate more within Asia to make Asia economically and militarily strong to counter European economic threats.
 
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Yes Russia has easily forgotten what happened in Afghanistan and is ready to risk its strategic partnership with India which is providing them literally 100 billion $'s in defense and nuclear reactors for Pakistan :lol:
 
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Not true at all.
Foreign policy in pakistan is dictated by the GHQ and not the NRO propped Zardari. Even If the GHQ wants relations with Israel, it will happen.
Relations with Israel :omghaha:
This is Pakistan whose people are still controlled by Molvis.

This not a realistic analysis. Pakistan has sided with the US whether it was giving bases to them during the 60s, 80s and 2000s. Russia in turn supported India to take away bangladesh.

Pakistan in turn fought along side the US against USSR in Afghanistan. Lets see a new alignment comes up. Pakistan and Russia.
Pakistan will never ally with Russia. Both will have only good relationals in future with mutual interest and may be trust too.
Both Russia and US did what was necessary for them. What do you think why Russia is having interest in Pakistan now? There is a reason!

Yes Russia has easily forgotten what happened in Afghanistan and is ready to risk its strategic partnership with India which is providing them literally 100 billion $'s in defense and nuclear reactors for Pakistan :lol:
China kicked your as* too before. You are doing business with them as well as Japan and US.
This is 21st century! Things have changed.

There is no "natural alignment" here. It is merely an alternative version of the 50s and 60s repeated, this time with another benefactor. The end will be the same tears all over again.
You cannot predict future. People are different now. As I said before Pakistan and US will remain ally but cooperation between Russia and Pakistan will increase and eventually hurt US interest in Asia.
 
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China kicked your as* too before. You are doing business with them as well as Japan and US.
This is 21st century! Things have changed.
China tried again in 1967 got a boot on their *** ,strictly business what immediate benefit will Russia have with alliance with Pakistan that can compensate for 100 billion dollars in the next decade from India in a senerio where they are under heavy sanctions ? 21 st century needs money .
 
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"Putin’s decision to not visit Pakistan during Zardari’s presidency had more to do with Pakistan’s dubious foreign policy at the time than Russian intentions. Russia had sought good relations with Pakistan. But Zardari’s unwillingness to strongly support Russia resulted in the visit’s cancellation. Relations between Pakistan and Russia are a pastiche of sorts, a journey that has all kinds of flavors. It’s a relationship that’s seen enmity and is now experiencing friendship. Popular opinion in Pakistan now favors the pursuit of this exhilarating friendship with Russia. There is not much chance of failure as Henry Kissinger once evocatively said: “No foreign policy — no matter how ingenious — has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none.”"

We have been asked few questions why was Russia cancel the visit? Now the bold parts already explained it clearly. No wonder Zardari has destroyed Pakistan from his presidency.

"In the interim, Pakistan and Russia enjoyed a topsy-turvy relationship. By the 1960’s, Ayub Khan had realized that it was Russia and not America that had the intention of serving as a panacea for all of Pakistan’s problems. The trust in America’s help had further deteriorated in both the 1965 and 1971 wars. India had been duly backed by Russia — both in the war and on the negotiating tables at Tashkent. The US, however, had shown Pakistan a cold shoulder. This was something that angered Ayub Khan and which motivated him to write his book “Friends, Not Masters.” The Dhaka Debacle and the 1971 Bangladesh war had shown Russia was indeed an Indian Ally. The US was also an ally, but with lots of strings attached."

India has to dump Russia to be new ally with US but comes with a lots of strings attached no doubt. For example US-India civilian nuclear deal hasn't complete more than 7 years.

India has not dumped Russia. Indian PM and Russian Prez visit each other every year and when Putin visited last year he brought along the head of annexed Crimea. Indo-Russian defence partnership is ever growing. The relations were briefly affected when USSR collapsed and the wold became unipolar. Pakistan and US were always a very close ally and they are till date at least on paper. But things started deteriorating when Pakistan got a free hand in Afghanistan and messed itself up in l'affaire Osama Bin Laden. India only exploited this to come closer to US. One of the objectives of India was, perhaps, to let Pakistan drift away from US and India was successul at that. Earlier Pakistan enjoyed close ties with 4 permanent UNSC members and now it can not rely on anyone except China.

In all international relations all that matters is the national interest and Pakistan has a great opportunity to make good of the situation with Russia but as quoted above if the policies are born in the minds of few and carried in the hearts of none then chances of its success is doubtful. Is Pakistani diplomacy good enough to balance out Russia with EU and the NATO? India has nicely managed Iran and Ukrain issues without being in the bad books of anyone.
 
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You cannot predict future. People are different now. As I said before Pakistan and US will remain ally but cooperation between Russia and Pakistan will increase and eventually hurt US interest in Asia.

It will take much more than a mere increase in co-operation between Russia and Pakistan to hurt the US interests in Asia.
 
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@Horus

Everything depends on the economy

Russians ONLY see the cash any country is willing to offer

Pakistan's economy is struggling ; you have only Gwadar to offer ; which has been taken by China
 
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China tried again in 1967 got a boot on their *** ,strictly business what immediate benefit will Russia have with alliance with Pakistan that can compensate for 100 billion dollars in the next decade from India in a senerio where they are under heavy sanctions ? 21 st century needs money .
Right now, you are going to west for military hardware. So Pakistan is going for Russian military hardware. US is already offering you better military products than it did to Pakistan. It means that you will get stuck in trap of US. Pakistan right now is trying to get alternative options for these because we already have too much from US. That is why we are working with China more and now may be Russia too.

It will take much more than a mere increase in co-operation between Russia and Pakistan to hurt the US interests in Asia.
For example??

China got access to Gwadar port. It will be secured by military. So no US intervention in that. Iran is hostile toward US. So I don't think Iran will give better access of it to US like Pakistan did before. India is huge market but far from Afghanistan. Then we have CSTO on north of Afghanistan. Why do you think it will not hurt US interest?
 
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China got access to Gwadar port. It will be secured by military. So no US intervention in that. Iran is hostile toward US. So I don't think Iran will give better access of it to US like Pakistan did before. India is huge market but far from Afghanistan. Then we have CSTO on north of Afghanistan. Why do you think it will not hurt US interest?

What US interests would be harmed by Gawadar? The situation with Iran is working out slowly, and India remains supportive of US interest for its own reasons. Once Afghanistan is left to its own devices, Pakistan's co-operation will no longer remain as important either.
 
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What US interests would be harmed by Gawadar? The situation with Iran is working out slowly, and India remains supportive of US interest for its own reasons. Once Afghanistan is left to its own devices, Pakistan's co-operation will no longer remain as important either.
Iran is doing what is best for its interest and not for US. India knows what to do. US will not be able to use India against Russia or China. Afghanistan still need to cooperate with its neighbours to deal with inner threats. They are not powerful enough.
Gwadar will help Pakistan's economy. Pakistan may become economically stable or even powerful in future. We know Pakistan will not offer its soil to US again. Once Iran gets what it want then we will see what they do.
 
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