Pakistan and Israel

[razgriz19]

Let the Arabs solve their own problems. The sons of Pakistan will not be used as weapons in the Israel-Palestine conflict. The day I see Arab countries support Pakistan over India, is the day I will consider sacrificing a drop of Pakistani blood for the Arab cause.

they did...in 1965 and1971 by providing financial support and i even heard that iran provided free oil for our jets....

 

[Conqueror]

What does it mean? Pakistan should hate Israel?

Conflict between Pakistan and Israel is not territorial, but Ideological. A 6 months old child does not become a threat to Israel's existence but even then the child that cannot recognize his/her own parents is assassinated. Do you ever ask why?

Quran Says - Al-Ma'idah -

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ (5:51)

O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another [72] and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide such evildoers. [73]

Yahood (Jews) and Hanood (Followers of Hindu Religion) are not our friends, not because of money, nor because of land, neither because of power-sharing and never because of business BUT we are on two sides of the line drawn by God Almighty.

 

[mjnaushad]

Sorry to say this but what I understand here is, YOUR RELIGION PREACHES HATE !!

It does not say that hate Jews and Christians. its saying they will not be your friends. so stay alert. but its hard to understand for you because you have HATE in your heart for islam. cant help you there.

 

[Naradmuni]

It does not say that hate Jews and Christians. its saying they will not be your friends. so stay alert. but its hard to understand for you because you have HATE in your heart for islam. cant help you there.

Why cant be friends? Who are you kidding? Its completely intolerant and hateful statement. Do all muslims believe this stuff ?

So is this the divine sentence that is cause of the Islamic terrorism worldwide? I ve heard there is one more of this sort, Kill kafirs and go to jannat. Now isnt this full of hatred?

Dont bring me in the loop. I am just asking, not showing my hate or affection to anyone.

 

[mjnaushad]

Why cant be friends? Who are you kidding? Its completely intolerant and hateful.

Dont bring me in the loop. I am just asking, not showing my hate or affection to anyone.

ohh really. you are not showing hate. your previous post says something else. or i should say Sorry to say this but what I understand here is, YOUR POST PREACHES HATE !! And yes they cant be friends. What is friend. the one who help you in difficult time without any greed.

 

[Naradmuni]

And yes they cant be friends.

Just because mullas or the book say so? I can understand if palestinians have problems with israel but what have pakistanis to do with it? Sorry mate, but it does not make sense to me to have blind faith in whatever is said or written hundreds of year ago.

Have a good night!!

 

[mjnaushad]

Just because mullas or the book say so? I can understand if palestinians have problems with israel but what have pakistanis to do with it? Sorry mate, but it does not make sense to me to have blind faith in whatever is said or written hundreds of year ago.

Have a good night!!

all religions Hindu religion, Christianity, Buddhism, all are many hundred years old. dont bow to ram or hanuman or Kali (In case you are Hindu). Dont goto church (If you are Christian). because these all things are said, written hundreds years ago.

 

[UchihaCG]

all religions Hindu religion, Christianity, Buddhism, all are many hundred years old. dont bow to ram or hanuman or Kali (In case you are Hindu). Dont goto church (If you are Christian). because these all things are said, written hundreds years ago.

I ignore it
...because I have sense, and am educated. .

And also, Hindus may follow their ways, Christians may follow theirs and Muslims too may follow their own ways. There's nothing wrong with that. But what you're saying is: Even if it hurts someone and is not right, i'll do it because the Qur'an says so and i follow the Qur'an.

You'll hate Israel because the Qur'an told you to.... ok. then:
SURAH 47:4
Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.


Surah 98:6
Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures" and thus deserve no mercy.


Surah 8:65:
'O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand. '.

Come kill me, I'm not Muslim.

What's the point in being EDUCATED then?

 

[FreekiN]

"This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (The Noble Quran, 5:5)"

Is this hate?

Just because a person might be a non-Muslim it doesn't automatically make him an enemy to the Muslims. Peace-loving and innocent non-Muslims are to be treated with justice and kindness, otherwise the Muslims would be committing a sin and violating Allah Almighty's Holy Commands, "For Allah loveth Those who are just".

And this, Narad, contradicts your statement,

"As to those who turn (For friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship of) Believers - it is the Fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph. (The Noble Quran, 5:56)"

"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"

"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-114)"

Anyone who has an IQ level above 50 would know better to not look for information from Islamo-hate websites.

 

[Red Dwarf]

Religion is not a static one. If it cannot change according to time, it will suffer.

 

[hataf]

Religion is not a static one. If it cannot change according to time, it will suffer.

but this is not the case for islam
islam is static as it was 1400 years ago and will in future.....
we are suffering because some of us trying to change it
"moderonized islam"

but at the time they realize that they are wrong there will be no going back
and its my believe

 

[Conqueror]

Sorry to say this but what I understand here is, YOUR RELIGION PREACHES HATE !!

Don't jump to conclusions. Read and understand what is the message. When we are told that Yahood and Hanood are never your friends but friends of each other, that does not stop us from doing trade, negotiations or treaties with them.. but what God has mentioned is affirmative and the bottom line. We are asked to be careful about them by understanding that fact. If we hate Yahood and Hanood, who do you think are left to preach? Alians? Who are Muslims? the ones who grow from wheat fields? Being a Muslim means somebody who surrenders himself and his will to the God and does only what God has commanded him/her to do. Even if you starting doing the same in the next minute, you are Muslim.. and the God is same God who you recognize and call Brahma. Muslims DO NOT HATE Yahood or Hanood but we know for the fact that they could be friends of each-other but Never a reliable partner, friend or supporter of Muslims. Period.

Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW has done peace treaties with both Yahood and Hanood but understanding the fact that none of them are reliable and none of them could be in their favor when it is the time for that. And go through the history books that they betrayed Muslims time and again to the date we exist.

I beg God's forgiveness if I haven't conveyed meanings of his message properly.

 

[hataf]

don't use word "GOD" for ALLAH
ALLAH SUBH-A-N-O-TALA love it that we use ALLAH word

 

[MadDog]

1) When the verse allowing the permission to fight in war was revealed it was a time when pagan armies had surrounded muslims...so it was ordered to fight them ... in self defence...my question to the person who put the verse in this forum is that if u know that 2 ppl are outside ur house to kill u...will u fight to defend ur life or kiss em...what a stupid post it was.
2) Any ways...the question about friendship or being allies with them..is that according to a scholar of trinidad who also studied in Karachi "Shekh Imran Hosein" it is dont take them as ur auliya...that means dont get into an alliance with them in which they are at a stronger position and its not at equal terms ... yes thats forbidden for muslims.

3) Someone said "kill me , i am not a muslim"...my friend muslims ruled india for over 1000 years...if they wanted to convert by force they could ve done it...but they didnt..hindus had equal rights...Islam makes sure that minorities have equal rights
Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gourian himself said that for jews the time when muslims ruled spain was golden age.

4) Some one posted " Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures" and thus deserve no mercy. "
At the time of Quranic revelation the jewish tribes in arabia used to tell the polythiestic arabs that a prophet is going to come and he will revive the religion of Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) and he will finish this polytheism.....but when Prophet Muhammad (S) came with signs in their scriptures they denied him (SAW)...so those who were sure that he (SAW) was the prophet mentioned in their scriptures...yet they denied him..God was'nt happy with them.

5) When muslims ruled from spain upto india...no one was mistreated. Infact once when Hazrat Ali was Caliph, he was summoned to the court of a Qazi, A Jew had filed a suit against him and claimed the Caliph's armour. The Caliph called at the court and stood by the side of the claimant (Plaintiff) and did not tolerate any consideration for his exalted position.. The claimant (Jew) produced several witnesses in support of his claim. The Qazi enquired from Hazrat Ali whether he had anything to say in his defence. The Caliph replied in the negative and the Qazi decided the case in favour of the Jew and awarded him the armour which the Caliph had actually purchased from him. The Jew was much struck with the impartial judgment of the Qazi and returned the armour to the Caliph, saying, that the Caliph had actually purchased the armour from him (Jew). He had filed the suit in order to test the impartiality of the Caliph and his court which magnificently stood the test.

So to say God says kill all non believers isnt right....
In Surah-AlFatiha (Chapter 1) verse 1-2

Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, (2) The Beneficent, the Merciful.

Allah means Al (The Only) and illah ( God)...it means "The Only God"..so He is the creater and God and Lord of the all mankind and every creation...He is not only the God of Muslims....so it is realy stupid to assumed that God would tell to show no mercy to all non believers but only those who know the truth yet in defiance to God...are not accepting...and creating trouble on earth.Atleast look at the situation when these verses were revealed ..how can u put everything in terms of today's world.......it was a different situation at that time..when there were people who were waiting for a prophet and who had seen signs themselves yet they were not believeing.

 

[Dazzler]

MODS please close this thread as it has gone way off limits!!