Pakistan And India-Water Disputes-News And Updates

[Sipahi]

So, you think that we aren't doing that already???

like a banya maybe but like a man, NO

 

[SrNair]

Ok but this won't generate immediate vote bank for BJP.

First make you one thing clear.No other Indians from other parts of India cares about his foreign policies and what he is going to do with the IWT.That is not an issue for garner votes in there .

 

[Baba Google]

Modi kya hamara paani band kareyga, hum modi ko hi band kar deingey

 

[Meengla]

India keeps playing the victim card, willfully ignoring that even Indian politicians have more than implied India's role in terrorism inside Pakistan. The Pakistani population is now fully convinced that India plays a major role in horrible and repeated acts of terrorism inside Pakistan. Indeed, movies like 'Waar' and the guilt-admission by RAW agents caught inside Pakistan have changed Pakistani mindset from blaming General Zia to now blaming India.

Whether the Uri attack was done by Pakistan or not, India must not forget its own role in killing tens of thousands of Pakistanis over a decade.

Even a serious discussion inside India of punishing Pakistan by using water as a weapon will convince Pakistanis to bleed India but not by a thousand cuts--but by a million cuts. There can't be a victory or even any concession given to India if water is used as weapon.

Move on from these mutual bleeding and try to go back to the Manmohan-Musharraf understanding of mid 2000's.

 

[Awan68]

Scrap it and ask Pakistan for renegotiation, the flow of water should be inversely proportional to the flow of terrorists from there.

1.u cant scrap it, india would've no international cred left, the world would see that u have a habbit of abandoning pacts acc to mood shifts..
2. U cant cause if u do, china would block urs and water could become a real issue, we might even attack u and believe me, if u can see past ur bollywood chest thumping for a sec, it would not augur well for u..

O

We are enemies right?
Expect everything..... War, sabotaging, espionage, killing and this water war too......modi has already done what he was suppose to do, i mean no body believes Pakistan,modi ko sab sunte hai.....IWT review toh hoga...

O bhai no one listens to modi, they might like to use ur country in thier war against islwmic nations, but they will still treat u like the vermin u are after they have used u, open ur eyes, gen hameed gul said before his death that" dont worry modi is a gift for pakistan", gen hameed gul as u very well know once headed isi, so this statement is no joke, cant usee that he is destroying ur country???, india had established an economic and stable cred internationally, people were begining to take india seriously and than modi happened, this recent fiasco of hald assed empty threats for war, has made india an international joke, the sooner u accept that, the sooner u will kick this goon out of office in ur next elections and put india back on track to rational economic development, grow up...

U

You are very skilled at ignoring your own actions and shouting at even defensive action by the one you are attacking.
India has not started the war by 1000 cuts. You folks have. We are only looking at how to defend ourselves.

U started this war by snatching and occupying kashmir, its a muslim majority area, get out of there, get ur facts straighy, no kashmir and we had no scuffle with u, but its too late now, we wont forget the 90000 pakistanis blown up hy ur ttp dogs in the past decade, so buddy we will now wait for the right moment, but get this we will eventually see ur indian terrorist state drenched with blood and effectively disembered...

 

[indiatester]

U started this war by snatching and occupying kashmir, its a muslim majority area, get out of there, get ur facts straighy, no kashmir and we had no scuffle with u, but its too late now, we wont forget the 90000 pakistanis blown up hy ur ttp dogs in the past decade, so buddy we will now wait for the right moment, but get this we will eventually see ur indian terrorist state drenched with blood and effectively disembered...

No we did not snatch. We have an instrument of accession and J&K joined Indian union.
Those TTP dogs are also your own pet snakes. Enjoy your own fruits of strategic assets. You might lie to us, but you know that you supported those assets with money, training, equipment and people.

 

[ranadd]

The narrative most members put across. It has nothing to so with Pakistan. Doesnt it? India doesnt have any issues with any islamic country. We only have issues with Pakistan. Why do you want to drag everyone into it? I get it thats the card you have. Fair enough. Exactly the reason why India also does everything.

And enough with the world or international. No one cares about India or Pakistan outside both of our country. Its just your country and mine.

Your personal attacks towards a democratically elected leader is laughable at the best. It is his job to defend the country he is elected to. The next one will do the same. Just taunts itself shows how much serious you or your media takes of him.There were or are cases against it. He was acquitted. But fine, you still want to vilify him. Because, that fits the narrative.

FYI I didnt vote for him. I voted against him. But 31% of India voted for him. So he won.

Kashmir is a Muslim majority area. So what does it have to do with Pakistan? East Pakistan was part of Pakistan. Huge population. Until your army started gutting them. You lost half the country. I am guessing 11% of the total Muslim population lives in India. So will they live. And die. And their generations will also. What does that have to do with Pakistan?

Enough with this idiocy of one religion one country. No one is winning. No one will win.

You claim Pakistan will dismember India. Fine. That's been the motto on Pakistan from the day it was created. My friend, who lost till now?.Who dismembered who?

India is not coming after AK, GB or Aksai Chin. Keep what you won. We will also. The day has come and gone when lines could have been changed.

 

[BATMAN]

Former Pakistani Water Commissioner Guilty of Treason?
By John Daly - Jan 09, 2012, 5:45 PM CST

An ungodly row has erupted in Islamabad over the flight to Canada of Pakistan Commission on Indus Water (PIWC) former chief, Syed Jamaat Ali Shah.

Shah’s sin/crime?

To apparently aid and abet India’s construction of two hydroelectric dams on the upper reaches of the Indus River. The 45 megawatt, 190-foot tall Nimoo-Bazgo concrete dam is on the Indus River Upstream Gilgit Baltistan in Alchi village in Leh district, begun in June 2005.

The second facility unsettling Pakistan is the 140-foot high, 44 megawatt Chutak hydroelectric power project is also being completed on the Suru River, a tributary of Indus in the Kargil district of the India’s portion of Jammu and Kashmir. Islamabad is concerned that the two projects will reduce the Indus River’s flow towards Pakistan, as they are capable of storing up to 4.23 billion cubic feet of water.

To add insult to injury, India has also managed to get UN approval of seven years’ worth carbon credits totaling $482,083 for the two projects after showing that it has got the clearance report on trans-boundary environmental impact assessment of the said projects

Adding to Islamabad’s anxieties is the fact that the water volume of the Indus, a river crucial to both India and Pakistan, is currently down 30 percent from its normal levels.

Furthermore, India must sustain 20 per cent of the world's population with just 4 per cent of the world's freshwater and is dependent on the monsoons and flows from Himalayan glaciers, which are retreating.

Further downstream, according to a number of its agriculture and water experts, Pakistan is heading towards a massive water shortage in the next couple of years due to insufficient water management practices and storage capacity.

On 2 January Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rahman Malik said that the government would seek Interpol’s help to arrest Shah, adding that they were also investigating who helped Shah to escape from Pakistan. Three days later Shah issued a statement strongly denying allegations in the media about his facilitating and helping India in the Nimmo Bazgo and Chuttack hydropower projects and said that the stories were “provocative” before remarking that he had gone to Canada, where he apparently has dual nationality, due to his mother’s illness, that the Water and Power secretary was aware of the trip. Shah said that he would be back by the end of February and would be available for any official review.

Pakistan’s Water And Power Development Authority (WAPDA) Secretary Muhammad Imtiaz Tajwar prepared a report, submitted to the government on 23 September 2011, stating that Shah had not taken proper measures under the terms of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty to stop the project as he failed to raise objections during Pak-India meetings. The document noted that Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) reported in July 2005 that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had visited Leh, Kargil and Siachen Glacier in June and laid the foundation stones of the Nimoo-Bazgo and Chutak hydroelectric power plants. Besides the requirements for information sharing as defined in the Indus Waters Treaty, India and Pakistan are required to exchange information on facilities such as Nimoo-Bazgo and Chutak under the terms of the Commission on Large Dams (ICOLD), of which both India and Pakistan are members.

Accordingly, suspicion fell on Shah that his lack of oversight may have provided an edge to Indian troops confronting Pakistani Army units on the Siachen glacier, as Nimoo-Bazgo will ensure a sustained electricity supply to Indian Army cantonments at Leh, on the banks of the Nubra River and Siachen Base Camp. A senior Water Ministry official speaking on condition of anonymity said that Shah abetted the Indian government on Siachen by remaining silent during 2007-2009 and not raising any objection during Pak-Indian talks at Pre-eminent Commission on Indus Waters.

Seven days after the report was submitted, Shah resigned and Shah was reportedly put on Pakistan’s Exit Control List (ECL.)

But an Interior Ministry officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Shah had never been put on the list. He added that while the Interior Ministry places a person on the ECL on the request of any investigation agency such as Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), the National Accountability Bureau (NAB), other departments or on receipt of court orders, neither the Water and Power Ministry nor any other department concerned had written to the Interior Ministry, remarking, “The Ministry cannot do this on its own and the Interior Minister, by virtue of his post and Interior Federal Secretary, being the principal accounting officer of the Ministry, are the competent authorities to place any person’s name on the ECL after carefully going through the request forwarded by the department concerned.”

According to a 6 January report in Pakistan’s The Nation newspaper, Water and Power Ministry Joint Secretary Imran Afzal Cheema confirmed that the ministry had never forwarded a request to the Interior Ministry to put Shah on the ECL, adding that the allegations against Shah were “not so serious in nature that he needed to be put on the ECL.”

The Shah case is roiling the Pakistani press, with many editorials accusing him of treason, while the Jamaat-e-Islami party in Pakistan’s Senate has asking the government to update the House on Shah’s escape.

There seems to be enough overall incompetence to be shared by a number of Pakistani government agencies beyond the Water Ministry, including the ISI, FIA and NAB, resulting in a furious round of passing the buck – err, rupee. It will be interesting to see if Shah returns from Canada next month to clear his name or prefer to sit the debacle out across the Atlantic.

By. John C.K. Daly of Oilprice.com

Picture of accused, Jamat Ali Shah:

 

[idune]

indian military can not do shit other than committing genocide against Kashmiri people and others in neighborhood.
indian bid to isolate Pakistan backfired and put india to shame
Now, india and modi will able to do JACK about "indus water treaty" other than barking. Read the reason why.

Why abrogation of Indus Waters Treaty sucks
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2016/09/24/why-abrogation-of-indus-waters-treaty-sucks/
Yashwant Sinha, dissident par excellence in Bharatiya Janata Party, seldom misses an opportunity to embarrass the Narendra Modi government. And the fact of the matter is that he not only has an erudite mind and is articulate but also has the wit to spot the Achilles heel of our besieged prime minister at any given time.
Sinha, unsurprisingly, takes the most hawkish position conceivable on how India ought to retaliate against Pakistan over the attack on army base in Uri. His opinion piece in Indian Express two days ago espousing ‘jaw-for-tooth’ will delight RSS and Hindu nationalist constituency but hits Modi where it hurts, who is of course in the unhappy position of being accountable for his fateful decisions, some of which can even cause the loss of a million innocent Indian lives.
Amongst Sinha’s hard-hitting suggestions to teach Pakistan a lesson, he suggests:

• While the military response is being worked out the government should… abrogate the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan with immediate effect… Treaty terms are observed between friends, not enemies. Pakistan is an enemy state of India… India will, therefore, be fully justified in abrogating the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan.

To be sure, having been India’s External Affairs Minister, Sinha isn’t unaware why South Block never pursued such a bright idea to ‘punish’Pakistan.
But our ‘hawks’ of the Sangh Parivar with their tunnel vision may not know that although Indus Waters Treaty is, strictly speaking, a bilateral covenant, it was negotiated behind the scenes by a third party – United States – which even today takes pride that the covenant survived the ravages of time in the subsequent tortuous 55-year history of our subcontinent, since it was signed in Karachi in 1960.
The sharing of waters between India and Pakistan was an idea that originally occured to a brilliant American mind, David Eli Lilienthal, who once headed the Tennessee Valley Authority in the US (which was created by FDR during Great Depression for comprehensive development of the Tennessee Valley, especially for creating jobs through public investment.) Suffice it to say, Indus Waters Treaty showcased US’ commitment to assist the modernization of agrarian societies.
Lilienthal also had a strange weakness for our impoverished subcontinent whose acute problems of poverty somehow obsessed him. He later recounted in his journal:

• India and Pakistan were on the verge of war over Kashmir. There seemed to be no possibility of negotiating this issue until tensions abated. One way to reduce hostility . . . would be to concentrate on other important issues where cooperation was possible. Progress in these areas would promote a sense of community between the two nations which might, in time, lead to a Kashmir settlement. Accordingly, I proposed that India and Pakistan work out a program jointly to develop and jointly to operate the Indus Basin river system, upon which both nations were dependent for irrigation water. With new dams and irrigation canals, the Indus and its tributaries could be made to yield the additional water each country needed for increased food production… I had suggested that the World Bank might use its good offices to bring the parties to agreement, and help in the financing of an Indus Development program.

What a beautiful mind Lilienthal had! American pundits flag the 1960 Treaty as a golden moment vindicating that international mediation can actually work in resolving India-Pakistan issues.
To be sure, Modi cannot but be aware that he can find no better way of causing annoyance to ‘Friend Barack’ (who is, by the way, a staunch believer in America’s exceptionalism) than by erasing the finest moment in the chronicle of the untiring US mediatory efforts through several decades to navigate India-Pakistan relations away from the brink of war to cold peace.
Simply put, it is a no-go area for Modi government, which is wedded to bandwagon with the US in Asia. This is one thing.
Second, do the ilk of Sinha realize what impact such an act on our part will create in the minds of the international community? Do they really want Modi to be compared with Kim Jong Un, who, according to a newspaper with close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, once stripped naked his powerful uncle who fell out of favour, threw him into a cage to be eaten alive by a pack of ravenous dogs?
Make no mistake, depriving water deliberately to a nation of 190 million people is a repugnant idea. It sucks. The world community won’t forgive us.
Besides, what would India’s small neighbours think? A maverick country arouses negative feelings. How could Sri Lanka be sure that India would not abrogate the Kachativu Agreement? How far can Bangladesh be complacent that the land boundary agreements with India are the last word?
Third, importantly, as the Bible says, ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you’. If we do this to Pakistan, we also forfeit our claim to expect or demand from China similar prerogatives, as Pakistan has enjoyed under Indus Waters Treaty. Simply put, India will be creating a bad precedent. And, that will be exceedingly foolish, considering our very heavy dependence on waters flowing into our Hindi heartland from rivers that originate in Tibet.
Above all, our folks do not realize that this entire repugnant discourse has a moral dimension to it. We seem to be no more cognisant that once upon a time we belonged to a culture, where, according to Bhagavata Purana, Kuchela gave away the beaten rice to Krishna, and the Lord savored every grain.
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2016/09/24/why-abrogation-of-indus-waters-treaty-sucks/
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2016/09/24/why-abrogation-of-indus-waters-treaty-sucks/

 

[Super Falcon]

India alone cannot change it the treaty was between bilateral parties otherwise India get sanctioned

 

[waz]

India is not dependent on Indus waters as we use just 20% or even less of the total water available. So if China decides to tighten the tap let it do it. It won't affect India much. Whereas if India tightens the tap majority of Pakistan's agriculture will be laid to waste. So stop tying china with everything. They won't collide with India always. How is it fair for Pakistan to expect everything to be normal after repeated irritants like Uri ? It is obvious that you cannot take Kashmir anymore, then why wasting time ?

China holds the key to three of your rivers The Indus was just mentioned to keep your excitement at bay. Go ahead and try to lay Pakistan to waste. As for me tying in everything with China, you better tell that first to your strategic experts, because they're reading from the same hymn sheet I am my dear fellow. As for "colliding" with India, China annoys and prods at India all the time. If you go down the water war path, expect much, much worse.

 

[Maddd]

China holds the key to three of your rivers The Indus was just mentioned to keep your excitement at bay. Go ahead and try to lay Pakistan to waste. As for me tying in everything with China, you better tell that first to your strategic experts, because they're reading from the same hymn sheet I am my dear fellow. As for "colliding" with India, China annoys and prods at India all the time. If you go down the water war path, expect much, much worse.

Of the 19800 Cumecs average discharge of Brahmaputra, water from China account for less than 500 Cumecs. Chinese can't do shit....

 

[waz]

Now that India has decided to act aggressively within the treaty's framework waiting to watch how the impotent leadership on the other side is going to respond. As usual nuke, war, bleed by a 1000 cuts....who knows they might even convince their civilian zombies who believe whatever their government tells that CPEC will also bring water....

Watch your mouth, anymore of this I'll kick you from the site quicker than you can post.

Of the 19800 Cumecs average discharge of Brahmaputra, water from China account for less than 500 Cumecs. Chinese can't do shit....

Oh dear, your government and analysts don't think so. Oh by the way, there are two more rivers aside the Brahmaputra. You look like a troll account as well, I see you joined yesterday.

 

[monitor]

MQM leader faruq sat tar threaten to bring water directly from China.

 

[Maddd]

Oh dear, your government and analysts don't think so. Oh by the way, there are two more rivers aside the Brahmaputra.

My information is accurate, i can't post links due to forum rules... But truth is Chinese have Zero influence on Brahmaputra when flowing to India...