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Very well Gentlemen. With these answers of yours it is well understood who is running away from reality and has been a moron.

You yourself admitted that you are assuming things and it is all implicit in IWT.

My suggestion is that don't assume things on your own and confirm our doubt that you are a fool since most who come from your country on this forum are fools anyways

I hope you would try be someone better. No more assumptions please. :)

Indian rafale deal was planned for 120 air crafts. The revised deal of 36 planes cost 9 billion dollars. In comparison the mighty three gorges dam of 22000 MW cost 22 billion dollars. War costs billions of dollars too, loss of lives , loss to economy and foreign relations. Does war seem to be more practical?

To get your share of water. Yes it does. It would cost only a few missiles of small range to get our share anyways. Who needs to fight a big war for it.
 
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To get your share of water. Yes it does. It would cost only a few missiles of small range to get our share anyways. Who needs to fight a big war for it.
Are you sure that Pakistan will be able to fire those missiles and not run to the court? Does Pakistan have the capacity to face the aftermath. Not only militarily but also diplomatically from being the culprit country to launch a missile attack.

Anyway...have a good day..peace and water to both the countries and end to bomb blasts. Lets hope no more innocents are killed by terrorists and there can be peace.
 
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You yourself admitted that you are assuming things and it is all implicit in IWT.

My suggestion is that don't assume things on your own and confirm our doubt that you are a fool since most who come from your country on this forum are fools anyways

I hope you would try be someone better. No more assumptions please. :)



To get your share of water. Yes it does. It would cost only a few missiles of small range to get our share anyways. Who needs to fight a big war for it.


I never said assuming, but implicitly yes.
So it is for Pakistan to say and people like you to say "Kashmir is not part of India therefore there is no need for Indus water treaty". It will only absolve and abrogate the treaty but also give India the leeway on abrogating it.
 
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For the folks who believe that bilateral treaty cannot be withdrawn unilaterally, please refer the ABM treaty between USSR/Russia and the US. US withdrew and went ahead with their missile shield. US had more power over Russia. Just like India has over Pakistan. Do not let realpolitik irk you.

And people wetting themselves thinking about artillery and missile attacks, please I thank your Army for being more lucid than you folks.

World bank brokered the deal yes. They do not or cannot guarantee it. Please read the treaty well. Its a legal document, only the words in it can be used. Nothing else.

And if it goes to any arbitration, India will drop two words and the crowd will go silent. "Global Warming" & "Huge population". Ok more than 2. Or even the most endearing words to everyone, We have poor people who need water.
 
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NEW DELHI: Taking the offensive right into the heart of Pakistan, India on Monday reviewed the Indus Water Treaty+ to explore possible ways to use its share of water of rivers flowing into Pakistan.

" Blood and water cannot flow simultaneously+ ," Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Monday as he chaired a review meeting of 56-year-old Indus Water Treaty during which it was decided that India will "exploit to the maximum" the water of Pakistan-controlled rivers, including Jhelum, as per the water-sharing pact.

The review meeting on the Indus Water Treaty came as India weighed its options to hit back at Pakistan+ in the aftermath of the Uri attack+ that left 18 soldiers dead, triggering demands that the government scrap the water distribution pact to mount pressure on that country.

Here are the three important ways New Delhi plans to use provisions in the Indus Water Treaty to turn the heat on Islamabad:

1. Meetings of 'Permanent Indus Commission' suspended
Official sources said the Indus commissioners will meet only in the absence of terrorism. These commissioners meet about twice a year and have met every year since the treaty was signed, even during the 1965, 1971 and Kargil wars.

Implication

Pakistan at a dead end. Here's how:

* Treaty provides for three-stage grievance redress. Disputes first raised at meetings (two a year). If unresolved, dispute is referred to neutral expert World Bank appoints. If that too fails, sides can apply for arbitration by the UN's court of arbitration

* If the first stage of dispute redressal is suspended, the other two steps cannot kick in. This leads to a dead end for Pakistan


2. Restart Tulbul project

India unilaterally suspended the Tulbul project (Islamabad calls it Wullar Barrage) in 1987 after Pakistan objected. The project was part of the composite dialogue, but the dialogue itself was junked in its earlier form by the Manmohan Singh government. The decision to review the suspension signalled the Modi government's intent to revive it irrespective of Pakistan's protests.
Implication
India gets to control Jhelum water, impact Pakistan agriculture
* Project can create problems for Pakistan's triple-canal project that connects Jhelum-Chenab with Upper Bari Doab Canal
* With a barrage, India controls release of water into Jhelum, which could trigger a flood or drought in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan. Serious implications for agriculture in Pakistan
What reviving the Tulbul Project means
* The Tulbul project is a "navigation lock-cum-control structure" at the mouth of the lake, located on the Jhelum river
* It is a key intra-state channel to ferry state's goods & people. To sustain navigation through the year a minimum depth of water in the lake is necessary
* The idea to ensure year-round navigation along the 20-km stretch from Anantnag to Srinagar and Baramulla, and on the 22 km-stretch between Sopore and Baramulla that becomes non-navigable in winter with water depth of only 2.5 ft
* The project envisages water release from lake to maintain minimum draught of 4.5 feet in Jhelum
* India had started constructing a 439 feet long barrage at the lake's mouth
* Pakistan objected and construction was halted in 1987

3. An inter-ministerial task force

The government set up an inter-ministerial task force to look at India's usage of the waters from the western rivers. According to the treaty, India has unrestricted use of the eastern rivers (Ravi, Beas, Sutlej), but only 20% use of the western rivers. However, India is allowed water from these rivers for "domestic and non-consumptive use, hydropower and agriculture, subject to certain limits".

Implication

India grossly under-utilises its entitlement under the 1960-treaty where it can use all the waters of the Jhelum, Chenab and Indus

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...the-heat-on-Pakistan/articleshow/54544929.cms
 
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All of this is bullsh1t because Pakistan can simply say to hell with ecology and environment and begin artificial diversion of glaciers into man made dams which will spell disaster for India and may even desert entire Indian Punjab..true that river passes from India..but most of the glaciers tributing to these rivers surround Pakistan and border China...tinkering at the source would be worst than atomic war on India...

Pakistan has more glaciers than almost anywhere on Earth. But they are at risk.




MIRAGRAM, Pakistan — With its neat stone walls and paths, bountiful tomato and wheat fields and miniature sheep that graze right up to doorsteps, this picturesque village has an air of timelessness. But the 110 families who live here only have to glance out their doors to see that their irrigated idyll may not last forever.

For generations, the glacier clinging to Miragram Mountain, a peak that towers above the village, has served as a reservoir for locals and powered myriad streams throughout Pakistan’s scenic Chitral Valley. Now, though, the villagers say that their glacier — and their way of life — is in retreat.

“We worry it may even vanish and there will be no drinking water,” said Abdul Nasir, 60, pointing up at the 19,000-foot mountaintop streaked with thin, patchy snow. “Every year, it’s melting.”

With 7,253 known glaciers, including 543 in the Chitral Valley, there is more glacial ice in Pakistan than anywhere on Earth outside the polar regions, according to various studies. Those glaciers feed rivers that account for about 75 percent of the stored-water supply in the country of at least 180 million.

But as in many other parts of the world, researchers say, Pakistan’s glaciers are receding, especially those at lower elevations, including here in the Hindu Kush mountain range in northern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. Among the causes cited by scientists: diminished snowfall, higher temperatures, heavier summer rainstorms and rampant deforestation.

[Energy shortages force Pakistanis to scavenge for wood, threatening tree canopy]

To many, the 1,000-square-mile Chitral Valley has become a case study of what could await the rest of the world if climate change accelerates, turning life-supporting mountains into new markers of human misery.

“It’s already happening here, and my thinking is, in the coming years it will just go from bad to worse,” said Bashir Ahmed Wani, a Pakistani forestry specialist with the Asian Development Bank.

hack into the glaciers — or scoop up the pre-glacial snow — and load the haul into their jeeps and trucks. Back in the valley, they shovel the snow and ice into shopping bags and sell it for 50 cents a bag.

“There are no fans, no refrigerators working, so I will store this for cooler water and then use it for drinking,” said Ubaid Ureh, 46, as he held two dripping bags.

Glacial Lake Outburst Floods Project, said Pakistani law does not make it clear whether the government or the public owns the country’s vast glacial reservoirs.

“We are trying to initiate a dialogue with the local people, but these are poor people,” he said, noting that glaciers in the neighboring territory of Gilgit-Baltistan are also being sold off.

2300-v2-PakGlacier.jpg

Other scientists play down the threat, saying there are so many glaciers in Pakistan that it’s like taking water from an ocean. But even they admit that the sight of desperate families waiting to buy snow underscores the challenges facing this valley.

Ghulam Rasul, head of the Pakistan Meteorological Department, said the country’s weather patterns have shifted dramatically over the past two decades.

When 30-year temperature averages from 1961 to 1990 are compared with those from 1981 to 2010, temperatures in the northern third of Pakistan, where the glaciers are located, increased by 1.2 degrees Celsius, Rasul said.

Summer snow lines on Pakistan’s mountains have also crept up an average of 3,395 feet since 1981, he added. And the number of glacial lakes — which form when melting ice gets locked up in or around a glacier — has jumped from 2,420 a decade ago to 3,044 today, according to a recent study.

[Life in a Pakistani village so remote, kings once banished prisoners to it]

Equally alarming, Rasul said, the annual South Asia monsoon is growing more dynamic as temperatures spike over land and clash with cooler ocean waters. Now, instead of the late summer monsoon affecting mainly southern and eastern Pakistan, it has also been pumping deluges over the mountains.

“I believe this is an impact of global warming,” Rasul said. “If this continues, the glaciers will be melting at a fast rate, producing glacial lakes — and the lakes will burst,” triggering disasters.

The weather changes have not seriously threatened the ice packs in Pakistan’s northernmost regions, where five of the world’s 14 highest peaks — all topping 26,000 feet — are located.

Chitral’s glaciers to melt.

Arshad Abbasi, a water and energy expert, said Pakistanis alone are responsible for their plight.

He noted that tree roots stabilize the ground that the glaciers bind to — and that Pakistan has retained just 2 to 5 percent of its tree cover. Even worse, he said, goat herders, tourists and even the country’s army are allowed to trek over them.

“People say global warming, but in fact, it’s human activity” that most threatens the glaciers, said Abbasi, who has studied the effect of Pakistani and Indian military encampments on the shrinking Siachen Glacier in the Himalayan range near the disputed Kashmir region.

Local activists agree that lax environmental standards are magnifying the danger. Inayatullah Faizi, an expert on local culture, noted that much of Chitral’s garbage and sewage is dumped directly into streams and the Chitral River — another reason residents buy snow from the glacier.

Aisha Khan, head of the Islamabad-based Mountain and Glacier Protection Organization, said a huge conservation campaign is needed to combat public ignorance. She noted that many mountain-area families still try to make glaciers grow by “fertilizing them,” cutting ice from a dark, debris-clogged glacier (male) and setting it next to a clear one (female).

Still, there are signs that younger Pakistanis, even in remote places, are realizing what is at stake.

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Beekeepers collect honey last month from hives they have set up by a roadside in the Chitral Valley. (Insiya Syed /For The Washington Post)

In Sonoghur, a small village north of Miragram that was devastated by a glacial lake flood in 2007, a middle-aged man began telling a reporter that India and Israel are responsible for glaciers melting because they don’t want overwhelmingly Muslim Pakistan “to grow and prosper.”

But Amir Shahzaib, 17, spoke up.

“We don’t believe that, and our new generation wants to take care of the earth,” he said, adding that he and his friends were trying to get older residents to stop throwing plastic bottles in waterways.

They can’t do it all, he added.

“We are just partly responsible for climate change,” Shahzaib said of his village. “Mostly, the city people are responsible.”



Aamir Iqbal in Peshawar contributed to this report.
 
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All of this is bullsh1t because Pakistan can simply say to hell with ecology and environment and begin artificial diversion of glaciers into man made dams which will spell disaster for India and may even desert entire Indian Punjab..true that river passes from India..but most of the glaciers tributing to these rivers surround Pakistan and border China...tinkering at the source would be worst than atomic war on India...

Pakistan has more glaciers than almost anywhere on Earth. But they are at risk.




MIRAGRAM, Pakistan — With its neat stone walls and paths, bountiful tomato and wheat fields and miniature sheep that graze right up to doorsteps, this picturesque village has an air of timelessness. But the 110 families who live here only have to glance out their doors to see that their irrigated idyll may not last forever.

For generations, the glacier clinging to Miragram Mountain, a peak that towers above the village, has served as a reservoir for locals and powered myriad streams throughout Pakistan’s scenic Chitral Valley. Now, though, the villagers say that their glacier — and their way of life — is in retreat.

“We worry it may even vanish and there will be no drinking water,” said Abdul Nasir, 60, pointing up at the 19,000-foot mountaintop streaked with thin, patchy snow. “Every year, it’s melting.”

With 7,253 known glaciers, including 543 in the Chitral Valley, there is more glacial ice in Pakistan than anywhere on Earth outside the polar regions, according to various studies. Those glaciers feed rivers that account for about 75 percent of the stored-water supply in the country of at least 180 million.

But as in many other parts of the world, researchers say, Pakistan’s glaciers are receding, especially those at lower elevations, including here in the Hindu Kush mountain range in northern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. Among the causes cited by scientists: diminished snowfall, higher temperatures, heavier summer rainstorms and rampant deforestation.

[Energy shortages force Pakistanis to scavenge for wood, threatening tree canopy]

To many, the 1,000-square-mile Chitral Valley has become a case study of what could await the rest of the world if climate change accelerates, turning life-supporting mountains into new markers of human misery.

“It’s already happening here, and my thinking is, in the coming years it will just go from bad to worse,” said Bashir Ahmed Wani, a Pakistani forestry specialist with the Asian Development Bank.

hack into the glaciers — or scoop up the pre-glacial snow — and load the haul into their jeeps and trucks. Back in the valley, they shovel the snow and ice into shopping bags and sell it for 50 cents a bag.

“There are no fans, no refrigerators working, so I will store this for cooler water and then use it for drinking,” said Ubaid Ureh, 46, as he held two dripping bags.

Glacial Lake Outburst Floods Project, said Pakistani law does not make it clear whether the government or the public owns the country’s vast glacial reservoirs.

“We are trying to initiate a dialogue with the local people, but these are poor people,” he said, noting that glaciers in the neighboring territory of Gilgit-Baltistan are also being sold off.

2300-v2-PakGlacier.jpg

Other scientists play down the threat, saying there are so many glaciers in Pakistan that it’s like taking water from an ocean. But even they admit that the sight of desperate families waiting to buy snow underscores the challenges facing this valley.

Ghulam Rasul, head of the Pakistan Meteorological Department, said the country’s weather patterns have shifted dramatically over the past two decades.

When 30-year temperature averages from 1961 to 1990 are compared with those from 1981 to 2010, temperatures in the northern third of Pakistan, where the glaciers are located, increased by 1.2 degrees Celsius, Rasul said.

Summer snow lines on Pakistan’s mountains have also crept up an average of 3,395 feet since 1981, he added. And the number of glacial lakes — which form when melting ice gets locked up in or around a glacier — has jumped from 2,420 a decade ago to 3,044 today, according to a recent study.

[Life in a Pakistani village so remote, kings once banished prisoners to it]

Equally alarming, Rasul said, the annual South Asia monsoon is growing more dynamic as temperatures spike over land and clash with cooler ocean waters. Now, instead of the late summer monsoon affecting mainly southern and eastern Pakistan, it has also been pumping deluges over the mountains.

“I believe this is an impact of global warming,” Rasul said. “If this continues, the glaciers will be melting at a fast rate, producing glacial lakes — and the lakes will burst,” triggering disasters.

The weather changes have not seriously threatened the ice packs in Pakistan’s northernmost regions, where five of the world’s 14 highest peaks — all topping 26,000 feet — are located.

Chitral’s glaciers to melt.

Arshad Abbasi, a water and energy expert, said Pakistanis alone are responsible for their plight.

He noted that tree roots stabilize the ground that the glaciers bind to — and that Pakistan has retained just 2 to 5 percent of its tree cover. Even worse, he said, goat herders, tourists and even the country’s army are allowed to trek over them.

“People say global warming, but in fact, it’s human activity” that most threatens the glaciers, said Abbasi, who has studied the effect of Pakistani and Indian military encampments on the shrinking Siachen Glacier in the Himalayan range near the disputed Kashmir region.

Local activists agree that lax environmental standards are magnifying the danger. Inayatullah Faizi, an expert on local culture, noted that much of Chitral’s garbage and sewage is dumped directly into streams and the Chitral River — another reason residents buy snow from the glacier.

Aisha Khan, head of the Islamabad-based Mountain and Glacier Protection Organization, said a huge conservation campaign is needed to combat public ignorance. She noted that many mountain-area families still try to make glaciers grow by “fertilizing them,” cutting ice from a dark, debris-clogged glacier (male) and setting it next to a clear one (female).

Still, there are signs that younger Pakistanis, even in remote places, are realizing what is at stake.

_INS86491470678464.jpg

Beekeepers collect honey last month from hives they have set up by a roadside in the Chitral Valley. (Insiya Syed /For The Washington Post)

In Sonoghur, a small village north of Miragram that was devastated by a glacial lake flood in 2007, a middle-aged man began telling a reporter that India and Israel are responsible for glaciers melting because they don’t want overwhelmingly Muslim Pakistan “to grow and prosper.”

But Amir Shahzaib, 17, spoke up.

“We don’t believe that, and our new generation wants to take care of the earth,” he said, adding that he and his friends were trying to get older residents to stop throwing plastic bottles in waterways.

They can’t do it all, he added.

“We are just partly responsible for climate change,” Shahzaib said of his village. “Mostly, the city people are responsible.”



Aamir Iqbal in Peshawar contributed to this report.
You forgot to mention with the help of CHINA.
 
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World Bank brokered it. I would let an expert answer you since actually learn something about IWT. :lol:

LOL...this is just sad and Pathetic. I DID NOT ask you who BROKERED the treaty.

I asked you Which third party GUARANTEED IT ? WHO is the Guarantor ? WHAT is the Guarantee ? I am still waiting for the reply.

If it is a bilatteral treat as per you then you can't revoke with unillaterly.
If India runs away from the treat with its tail between its legs.
In such a case as above we would use military option to solve the problem for good. Have no doubts about it.

We do not have to Revoke the treaty, we just do not have to Honour it :lol:

What part of that do you not understand ?

It is your problem to create this goodwill. Develop the goodwill. You have no other choice. :lol:

Nope. I think I will pass this advice too.

I think I will just Suspend the IW commission INDEFINITELY. How does that sound ?

Lol challenging us.:rofl:
Who are you kid?? A pathetic bharati troll who loves sniffing Modi's as$.
We didn't use any military option since we are getting our share from the water. When we won;t get our share then such options would be exercised. Till then you can moan about Uri attack. :)
I am inviting you for a surgical strike. When it is happening??
Oh wait no surgical strikes. You are collecting water to drown yourself in it. :D

We have no need to attack you ..... we are just going to let the IWT die a quite death.

Oh wait, it just died. Too bad you have not yet realise it.

You also complaining to a lot of crap. Even today you were complaining to our ambassador about Uri attack.

Oh we like to do that, raise a stink so that you are isolated in the global stage. Don't mind it too much.

We are getting our share as of now and that is fine for me. :)

Cool .... this works for us too. Global warming is a bitch though. :p:

Why not try it yourself.
This is the best part about Modi government. I gives no time but within a few weeks or months it backtracks to previous position. Same owuld happen here too. ;)
Lol invitation from a nobody :lol:

I am so glad you love the Modi govt. We love it too.

I especially love it wen you threaten to lug missiles at us : ..... and then quietly back off when actually asked to do so. :D
 
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The fact that your nation exists today is because of the ' mice' sorting out the ' brave men".

This how the indian mice saved us
: courtesy @maroof2000





IN 1971, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO?

THE SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS SUPPLIED FOR THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS BY THE THEN WARSAW PACT COUNTRIES AND THE HUGE FOREIGN AID AND MONEY SENT FOR THE WEST NEVER REACHED US, YOU STOLE ALL AND IN RETURN GAVE US YOUR CLONED PRODUCTS COMPRISING MOSTLY OF RUSTED .303 BOLT ACTION RIFLES, SOME CLONED SEMI AUTOMATIC SLR,S, A VERY SMALL NUMBERS OF 9mm ,SMC,S AND VERY LIMITED NOS OF BRITISH WW 11 ERA LMG,S,IN ADDITION TO EXPLOSIVES.AND FEW HAND GRENADES.

THE BANGLADESH ARMY (EBR) WHO ALL TOOK PART IN THE MAIM WAR OF ATTRITION CARRIED ALONG WITH THEM THEIR OWN CHINESE WEAPONS.

KARER SIDDIQUI ,A FORMER CORPORAL IN THE PAK ARMY,PLAYED A VALIANT ROLE, HIS FORCES AMBUSHED FEW PAKISTANI BARGES LOADED WITH WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION MEANT FOR THE PAK ARMY,AND EQUIPPED HIS FORCES WITH THE CAPTURED WEAPONS, HIS FORCES COMMONLY KNOWN AS KADERIA BAHINI LOCATED IN TANGAIL, WERE THE BEST EQUIPPED ONES, ALL WITH CHINESE WEAPONRY.

THE 14TH DIVISION PAK ARMY LOCATED IN DHAKA WERE,HASTILY, DIVIDED INTO MOST PROBABLY 5X AD HOC LIGHTLY ARMED INFANTRY DIVISIONS ,AND RELOCATED IN VARIOUS CANTONMENTS ALL OVER BANGLADESH,THEY WERE CONSTANTLY AMBUSHED,KILLED,HARRESSED ALL OVER BANGLADESH,BY THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS. THE FF,S ALSO DESTROYED NEARLY ALL BRIDGES, RAIL MOVEMENT BECAME EXTREMELY DANGEROUS,IN ADDITION POWER GRIDS, FUEL DEPOTS ,THE ENTIRE COMMUNICATION NETWORK WAS TOTALLY CRIPPLED,ETC. THE MORAL AND FIGHTING SPIRIT OF THE PAK ARMY WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND SHATTERED BY THE EBR AND THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

IN FACT,AFTER DUSK, BANGLADESH SEEMED LIKE A LIBERATED COUNTRY.

THE ONLY GOAL BY YOUR 5X CORPS ARMY PLUS, WERE TO REACH THE DHAKA BOWL BEFORE THE SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER,AS INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE WAS MOUNTING IN THE UNITED NATIONS FOR A CEASE FIRE AND DEPLOYMENT OF UN FORCES IN THE WAR TORN REAS, THE FORMER USSR USED ITS VETO POWER TWICE IN THE UN TO ASSIST AND BUY YOU ALL A FEW MORE DAYS OR A WEAK AT THE MOST.
YOUR ARMED FORCES WERE ACTIVE SINCE MID NOVEMBER.MUCH EARLIER The THE 3rd of DECEMBER,1971.

SO YOUR GALLANT ARMY ADOPTED, TO A NEW TACTICS,WHEREBY ONLY A SMALL FORCE, ENGAGED THE FORWARD AREAS OF PAK ARMY GARRISONS,TO STOP THEM FROM RE-ENFORCING THE PAK TROOPS IN DHAKA,

WHILE, YOUR MAIN BULK OF THE ARMED FORCES BY PASSED THE PAK ARMY AND RUSHED TOWARDS THE DHAKA BOWL.

IN THE PAKISTAN ARMY INVENTORY WERE 20 ODD M-4 LIGHT PATTON TANKS AND A SQUADRON OF F-86 SABRE JETS. WHILE YOU SIDE USED MIG-21,SU-7.HUNTERS,GNATS,CANBERRA BOMBERS,AS A RESULT THE INDIAN SIDE ACHIEVED COMPLETE AIR DOMINANCE IN JUST TWO DAYS, COMPLETE NAVAL BLOCKADE WAS ALSO ENSURED BY YOUR SIDE,

NOW THE MAIN QUESTION LIES HERE IS IN THE EASTERN FRONT, WHERE DID YOUR ARMY REALLY FIGHT WITH A FEW ODD EXCEPTIONS.THAT TO THE FFS WERE ALWAYS IN THE FORE FRONT FOLLOWED BY YOUR ARMY MILES AWAY.

IN FACT HAD YOU NOT INTERVENED WE WOULD GAIN OUR INDEPENDENCE AT ANY COST, BUT WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT MUCH LONGER. UNLIKE VIETNAM. AS PAKISTAN WAS NOT USA+ THE WEST.

WE WILL DISCUSS WHAT YOU DID TO OUR COUNTRY AFTER INDEPENDENCE AT A LATER,AS THE POST IS GETTING RATHER LENGTHY.
 
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For the folks who believe that bilateral treaty cannot be withdrawn unilaterally, please refer the ABM treaty between USSR/Russia and the US. US withdrew and went ahead with their missile shield. US had more power over Russia. Just like India has over Pakistan. Do not let realpolitik irk you.

And people wetting themselves thinking about artillery and missile attacks, please I thank your Army for being more lucid than you folks.

World bank brokered the deal yes. They do not or cannot guarantee it. Please read the treaty well. Its a legal document, only the words in it can be used. Nothing else.

And if it goes to any arbitration, India will drop two words and the crowd will go silent. "Global Warming" & "Huge population". Ok more than 2. Or even the most endearing words to everyone, We have poor people who need water.

Oh they know it can be unilaterally withdrawn, they just don't want to admit it.

Any bilateral treaty is like a marriage, it will work only if BOTH parties desire it to work. This simple fact is known to all.

World bank is just a bank, it can't guarantee $hit. Its the equivalent of claiming that the man who conducted the marriage has guaranteed the marriage to succeed :lol:

Nothing can be more ludicrous.

Also it cannot go to arbitration if India do not agree to go to arbitration. The Fundamental rule of arbitration is that both party has a desire to arbitrate the matter. No where in the world has there been a case of a Unilateral arbitration.
 
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