Pakistan Airspace Closure: Mid-Air Collision Of International Flights Averted Over Mumbai

[Kaniska]

Such incompetent people that they can't even handle extra aircraft in airspace yet they talk big on winning a war.

And they are blaming Pakistan for the near miss(es).

Spot on man...These guys are so useless that their blaming Pakistan airspace closure although it is their incompetencies to guide the flights to safety...

 

[Thorough Pro]

so now the indian air traffic controllers incompetence is also a fault of Pakistan air space closure.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

this was a close one, its good that no accident was caused. However, this incident shows how strategic India's geographical location is. Virtually all flights between Asia and Europe/Middle East have to go through Indian airspace at some point, including those diverted from Pakistan. This is one reason why Pakistan was hurt much more from the airspace closure than India, because all PIA's flights to Asia were canceled and to make it worse, flights between Lahore and Karachi had to go around through Balochistan. This combined with the loss of overflight revenue cost Pakistan billions at a time when its economy was already bad. In comparison, the relatively small amount India lost compared to the size of its aviation industry as a whole was mostly balanced out by the costs of diverted flights flying over India and refueling.

This does however highlight the need for sufficient air traffic control and airport infrastructure. Incidents like these could very well happen in the future, and India needs to always be prepared to deal with the consequences.

 

[SMC]

How much bullshit do you spew?

This is one reason why Pakistan was hurt much more from the airspace closure than India, because all PIA's flights to Asia were canceled and to make it worse,

How many Pakistani flights fly to East Asia, and how many Indian flights fly over Pakistan to Europe, Middle East and North America? The magnitude of difference is significant, yet you are living in an alternate reality where it's the opposite.

flights between Lahore and Karachi had to go around through Balochistan.

Still nothing like the detour Indian airlines had to take.

This combined with the loss of overflight revenue cost Pakistan billions at a time when its economy was already bad.

Billions of what? What is your source? Your airlines lost far more than Pakistan in total lost.

In comparison, the relatively small amount India lost compared to the size of its aviation industry as a whole was mostly balanced out by the costs of diverted flights flying over India and refueling.

Post specific figures from both sides proving this, as it sounds like you are BSing to make yourself feel better.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

How much bullshit do you spew?



How many Pakistani flights fly to East Asia, and how many Indian flights fly over Pakistan to Europe, Middle East and North America? The magnitude of difference is significant, yet you are living in an alternate reality where it's the opposite.



Still nothing like the detour Indian airlines had to take.



Billions of what? What is your source? Your airlines lost far more than Pakistan in total lost.



Post specific figures from both sides proving this, as it sounds like you are BSing to make yourself feel better.

Only flights from delhi were significantly affected. flights from Mumbai, Ahmedabad, and south India were not affected at all. And an equal number of Air india flights go East to places like Singapore, Malaysia, Bangkok, China, and Japan. In fact, two of the most profitable flights to the US are delhi to Chicago and San Francisco, which go over the Pacific. whereas you lost profitable flights to Bangkok and Malaysia, and your flights to Beijing were canceled
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/03/a...s-as-numerous-flight-routes-remain-suspended/
According to your own media PIA alone lost 1 billion rupees, and Pakistani airlines as a whole lost over 2 billion. Whereas Air India is reporting losses of 60 crore.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss
It is also important to keep in mind that because your aviation industry is smaller than ours, the losses will have a greater effect. Whereas what India lost was a drop in the bucked compared to its aviation industry as a whole, because as I said flights from Mumbai, Kokata, Ahmedabad, and South India were not affected, and flights over the Pacific were not harmed either.

 

[SMC]

Only flights from delhi were significantly affected. flights from Mumbai, Ahmedabad, and south India were not affected at all.

First lie - that flights from Mumbai and other parts of south India were not effected.

You clearly think airlines fly in straight lines. Here's the AI flight from Mumbai to Newark:

Do you notice the diversion? Let me know if you don't see it.

Flight from London to Ahmedabad:

Depending on where you are flying to/from, the diversion is much worse, e.g. Chennai to Paris.

And why are you discounting the flights to/from Delhi? It is your busiest airport by far.

And an equal number of Air india flights go East to places like Singapore, Malaysia, Bangkok, China, and Japan.

Any source to show this?

In fact, two of the most profitable flights to the US are delhi to Chicago and San Francisco, which go over the Pacific.

Again lying. The flight to SFO is the one that goes over pacific, the flight to Chicago still goes over Atlantic. In fact, this should show you how the flight to Chicago has been going, given it's having to stop in Vienna:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC127

whereas you lost profitable flights to Bangkok and Malaysia, and your flights to Beijing were canceled
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/03/a...s-as-numerous-flight-routes-remain-suspended/

You mean other routes are not profitable, or that only Air India's non-profitable routes were effected?
So Pakistan had 3 routes effected (one of them only a few days), and you had nearly all routes to Europe and North America effected. And you are spinning it as if Pakistan was much worse effected than India.

According to your own media PIA alone lost 1 billion rupees, and Pakistani airlines as a whole lost over 2 billion.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss

That news has not been corroborated by any other media source in Pakistan. Dawn, for example, would have reported this weeks ago if it was true.

Whereas Air India is reporting losses of 60 crore.

And that was weeks ago. And just a single airline. What are the numbers now?

It is also important to keep in mind that because your aviation industry is smaller than ours, the losses will have a greater effect. Whereas what India lost was a drop in the bucked compared to its aviation industry as a whole, because as I said flights from Mumbai, Kokata, Ahmedabad, and South India were not affected, and flights over the Pacific were not harmed either.

I already disproved the the part about Mumbai/Ahmedabad, etc. As for Pakistan aviation industry being smaller, there are much less Pakistani flights effected than India's. 2 PIA flights v/s nearly all India flights to Europe and North America - I think it's clear who is more effected.

 

[Aryan0395]

so now the indian air traffic controllers incompetence is also a fault of Pakistan air space closure.

I can literally count all the flights tht are currently flying over Pakistan, while just take a look at indian air space...Its ironic how some people here are talking about Indian ATC being *incompetent* when their country is handling a handful of flights.
Its like a local shop owner accusing CEO of Walmart for not knowing the name of all its employees.

 

[SMC]

I can literally count all the flights tht are currently flying over Pakistan, while just take a look at indian air space...Its ironic how some people here are talking about Indian ATC being *incompetent* when their country is handling a handful of flights.
Its like a local shop owner accusing CEO of Walmart for not knowing the name of all its employees.


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What is the relevance of how busy Pakistan airspace is? You seem to be diverting to an irrelevant point. Something like this would be due to incompetence of ATC, no matter how you dice it, and the busyness of Pakistan ATC is irrelevant to that.

Obviously Pakistan airspace is less busy due to flights going and coming from Indian airspace are banned. But again, thats irrelevant to the incompetence of Indian ATC.