Pakistan Air Force Transport

[Nishan_101]

I think PAC, China and Ukraine along with Saudi Arabia and may be UAE should do a JV to develop there own three classes of Transport aircraft.
Il-76 Class
A-400M Class
CN-295 Class

PAF in actual means need at leastif good budget is available)
11 Il-76 Class( 5 As Tanker transport and 6 for transport or vice versa)
21 A-400M Class
11 CN-295 Class

 

[aziqbal]

do you u usually just pull numbers out of a hat or is this a one off?

why exactly would PAF need 21 A-400, do you even know the transport requirments of PAF

 

[Jango]

Do you know how much would 21 A400's would cost?

 

[Luftwaffe]

I think PAC, China and Ukraine along with Saudi Arabia and may be UAE should do a JV to develop there own three classes of Transport aircraft.
Il-76 Class
A-400M Class
CN-295 Class

PAF in actual means need at leastif good budget is available)
11 Il-76 Class( 5 As Tanker transport and 6 for transport or vice versa)
21 A-400M Class
11 CN-295 Class

It takes alot JV is a hassle requires time-money. Europeans would never sell you A-400M besides it costs €136M.

From point of view of Cost-Platform familiarity, Future investment should go towards C-130J as the rightful replacement for C-130E/H and 18 would cost appx $1.3B IF the number are to be reduced to say 12 it would cost appx $875M. IF the number is to be split between LM C-130 12 And Y-9 Class due to cost still it is pretty feasible and cheap. Y-9 Class since PAF is operating Y-8 based AEW&C has a platform compatibility-similarity affordability. The only possible future options so far is C-130J/Y-9, again These Hercules would probably fly for the next 10-12 Years or so before PAF hunts for the replacement.

 

[Nishan_101]

It takes alot JV is a hassle requires time-money. Europeans would never sell you A-400M besides it costs €136M.

From point of view of Cost-Platform familiarity, Future investment should go towards C-130J as the rightful replacement for C-130E/H and 18 would cost appx $1.3B IF the number are to be reduced to say 12 it would cost appx $875M. IF the number is to be split between LM C-130 12 And Y-9 Class due to cost still it is pretty feasible and cheap. Y-9 Class since PAF is operating Y-8 based AEW&C has a platform compatibility-similarity affordability. The only possible future options so far is C-130J/Y-9, again These Hercules would probably fly for the next 10-12 Years or so before PAF hunts for the replacement.

Actually I only mean that JV is a good option not buying A-400M or C-130Js both aren't fesible because of cost and other matters. A JV between China, Pakistan and Ukraine along with Saudi Arabia and UAE for the three classes of projects. This would be cheap and will gain a lot of knowledge.

 

[ice_man]

Actually I only mean that JV is a good option not buying A-400M or C-130Js both aren't fesible because of cost and other matters. A JV between China, Pakistan and Ukraine along with Saudi Arabia and UAE for the three classes of projects. This would be cheap and will gain a lot of knowledge.

brother in any JOINT VENTURE everyone needs to bring something to the table! what can SAUDI,UAE & PAKSITAN BRING??? ukraine and china are self sufficent to manufacture things. Saudis and UAE can fund (which even china has enough to do it themselves). what will pakistan's input be????

 

[Jango]

 

[Luftwaffe]

C-130Js both aren't fesible because of cost and other matters. A JV between China, Pakistan and Ukraine along with Saudi Arabia and UAE for the three classes of projects. This would be cheap and will gain a lot of knowledge.

There is no other option the cheapest is Y-9; followed by C-130J. There is no other Transport with-in the cost-range [not including CN-235/CASA C-295].

China is working on Y-20; That would take time to be operational once development and testing completes, not before 2020. Would PAF go that way post 2024..?

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

There is no other option the cheapest is Y-9; followed by C-130J. There is no other Transport with-in the cost-range [not including CN-235/CASA C-295].

China is working on Y-20; That would take time to be operational once development and testing completes, not before 2020. Would PAF go that way post 2024..?

I guess C-130J cannot be in our range because last time when we bought/get C-130E/H, we get the used / retired pieces and upgraded them later. Much cheaper to new C-130E/H ... So how can we buy J version.
U know what m trying to say here. !

 

[Luftwaffe]

I guess C-130J cannot be in our range because last time when we bought/get C-130E/H, we get the used / retired pieces and upgraded them later. Much cheaper to new C-130E/H ... So how can we buy J version.
U know what m trying to say here. !

It was a good buy for PAF and have been and are being heavily upgraded to H Standards But there is limitation how long would these be upgraded, refurbished; by 2024 PAF would need to replace them with something.

 

[Jango]

The US-Pak relations will be a big factor if any C-130 J are indeed going to be bought.

It is not easy dealing with the yanks.

 

[sancho]

There is no other option the cheapest is Y-9; followed by C-130J. There is no other Transport with-in the cost-range [not including CN-235/CASA C-295].

What about AN 70, shouldn't it be an option for PAF as well?

 

[SQ8]

What about AN 70, shouldn't it be an option for PAF as well?

Unlikely.. the platform is too complex(propfans) and relatively untested and unreliable(a lot of Russian input) for the PAF and has never been considered.
The PAF still considers more C-130's as the best solution, they know pretty much everything about them.. including all sorts of Jugar(make do) ways to keep them operational even in sanctions. And it is still an excellent airlifter even today.
So why fix something that is NOT broken.
If the PAF could afford it, they would not hesitate to try for C-130J's...
Currently ..they are still scouring the market for older C-130's that can be bought cheap and then refurbished.

 

[Donatello]

It was a good buy for PAF and have been and are being heavily upgraded to H Standards But there is limitation how long would these be upgraded, refurbished; by 2024 PAF would need to replace them with something.

Hey man,

At the current rate of priorities for all armed forces and the way economy is, i don't see we can replace the C130s even in 2024. Plus Western equipment prices go up as time goes by. The best bet is Chinese Transport planes. As China increases it's defense budge year by year, expect some big improvements in the next 5 years.

I hope China continues to grow at its current pace for at least 10 more years, that way Pakistan would benefit as well.


Now only if we could get Chinese Economists to advise on our economy...

 

[itaskol]

Now only if we could get Chinese Economists to advise on our economy...

chinese economists can not help, they are not better then any other economists.
but chinese investment or loans maybe can.
what pakistan need is money and technolgy.

tranpost is not priority for defender
chinait self is short of tranport