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[razgriz19]

Sure but the guy suggested that they were reassembling the aircrafts just to show the delegation that we can do so.

that's not what he meant, he was saying that they were showing the delegation F-7 over haul shop/re-assemble shop.

 

[salman-1]

I've been to Kaamra F-6/7 and Mirage rebuild factory in late 90's. Have seen both factories with a Engineer a far off Relative now retd. First I saw Mirage V DP WITH NEWLY ROSE project on them. Sat in its cockpit with some breifing by that freind. I saw the newly installed LCD's for bombing computer and Navigation. It was awesome. The both overhauling facilities were very systematic in the sense a lot of descriptions for every stage is mentioned like you saw Rear fuselage assembly section. F-7P/PG both have engine overhaul after every 600-700 hrs of flying. It takes 1.5 months to complete full over haul of F-7 these times. They even take Hi Imaging X-rays for hair fractures in the air frames. A lot of air frame repair is made beyond our imagination. Every hydraulic pipe is replaced and every screw replaced. Parts have their own story. Whole aircraft is spread in diff sections of PAC. Every aspect is computerized and fed for its status

 

[Gryphon]

Jordan has refused to sell upto 16 second hand F-16A/B Block 15 ADF aircraft to Pakistan, a source has claimed.

The source further said that the former has cited its operations against ISIS terror group and Houthi rebels in Yemen as the reason for the refusal. These aircraft have undergone MLU and are similar in capabilities to the Block 40/42 standard.

Another source has indicated that PAF may purchase a squadron of 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52+ aircraft approved by the US Congress several years ago.

 

[zeeshanvita]

Jordan has refused to sell upto 16 second hand F-16A/B Block 15 ADF aircraft to Pakistan, a source has claimed.

The source further said that the former has cited its operations against ISIS terror group and Houthi rebels in Yemen as the reason for the refusal. These aircraft have undergone MLU and are similar in capabilities to the Block 40/42 standard.

Another source has indicated that PAF may purchase a squadron of 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52+ aircraft approved by the US Congress several years ago.

If Pakistan go for new F16block 52...it will take min another 3 years to get delivered...

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

If Pakistan go for new F16block 52...it will take min another 3 years to get delivered...

Not really there are orders on hold of IRAQ which can be sent to Pakistan.

 

[zeeshanvita]

Not really there are orders on hold of IRAQ which can be sent to Pakistan.

we can only assume that...but its not necessary..

 

[araz]

Jordan has refused to sell upto 16 second hand F-16A/B Block 15 ADF aircraft to Pakistan, a source has claimed.

The source further said that the former has cited its operations against ISIS terror group and Houthi rebels in Yemen as the reason for the refusal. These aircraft have undergone MLU and are similar in capabilities to the Block 40/42 standard.

Another source has indicated that PAF may purchase a squadron of 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52+ aircraft approved by the US Congress several years ago.

It is an interesting bit of news. Is the refusal another facet of our punishment for refusing to be a part of the team in yemen or is it a genuine need of Jordan. If do how long will they hold out. Various numbers from 6 to 14 have been quoted by various people that one talks to. If we do go down that line then does it mean J31 is a long way away from induction or not a realistic prospect.
Araz

 

[RAMPAGE]

It is an interesting bit of news. Is the refusal another facet of our punishment for refusing to be a part of the team in yemen or is it a genuine need of Jordan. If do how long will they hold out. Various numbers from 6 to 14 have been quoted by various people that one talks to. If we do go down that line then does it mean J31 is a long way away from induction or not a realistic prospect.
Araz

Considering our budget,J31 is not a viable option.

 

[HRK]

Considering our budget,J31 is not a viable option.

J-31 is the 'solution' not the 'option' .....

 

[Donatello]

It is an interesting bit of news. Is the refusal another facet of our punishment for refusing to be a part of the team in yemen or is it a genuine need of Jordan. If do how long will they hold out. Various numbers from 6 to 14 have been quoted by various people that one talks to. If we do go down that line then does it mean J31 is a long way away from induction or not a realistic prospect.
Araz

Sir,

J-31 is not a a reality today. It will be a minimum of 5 years before it is known as a combat aircraft. However, it is a future, viable option, assuming Chinese want to export it and maybe do a ToT for local produciton.

Jordan has refused to sell upto 16 second hand F-16A/B Block 15 ADF aircraft to Pakistan, a source has claimed.

The source further said that the former has cited its operations against ISIS terror group and Houthi rebels in Yemen as the reason for the refusal. These aircraft have undergone MLU and are similar in capabilities to the Block 40/42 standard.

Another source has indicated that PAF may purchase a squadron of 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52+ aircraft approved by the US Congress several years ago.

I was surprised when the news of the first 14 Jordanian f-16s broke out, Jordan was in a messy situation then, and they still parted with those jets. So yes, they have a credible threat and they need all the firepower they can muster. Purchasing 6 new F-16s didn't make any sense, since all PAF procurements have been at least somewhat a squadron strength....14 ex EDA, 14 Jordanian ones and then 18 new BLK52. So hopefully, PAF would want another squadron.

 

[RAMPAGE]

J-31 is the 'solution' not the 'option' .....

A 4++ gen twin engine aircraft is the solution and will do for now.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Not really there are orders on hold of IRAQ which can be sent to Pakistan.

If memory serves me right, the Iraqis did order the Blk52+ but hey are getting is slightly inferior. @Windjammer any details?

Secondly, like I've said on this forum before, IF you wan to upgrade PAF's capability in a short span of time, then upgrade the current F16's with SABR APG-83.

 

[Kompromat]

A 4++ gen twin engine aircraft is the solution and will do for now.

No it's not.

Our gap is non existent.

Rafales will arrive in 2017, won't be operational until 2019 due to training, doctrine issues.

T-50 is in bad weather, Russia has no money & is lacking in technology to deliver it in time. As things are going IAF won't have operational T-50 before 2020-21

Our sixteens & seventeens plus SAMs, AWACs can do their primari job just fine till 2020, we don't need a new platform. More Block-52s are welcomed, however another solution would be to buy 60 odd Norwegian sixteens and put them through SABR F-16V AESA upgrade. 60 odd AESA upgraded F-16s will give us equal capability to Rafale, in strong numbers.

FC-31 is a great prospect. We ought to join the program along the lines of JF-17 Thunder program. I expect it to be operational around 2020-21 timeline.

@araz

 

[Sine Nomine]

A 4++ gen twin engine aircraft is the solution and will do for now.

Mig 35 is an option Russian is dying to sell and already we are using same engine which is used on Mig 35(RD-33mk,RD-93)

No it's not.

Our gap is non existent.

Rafales will arrive in 2017, won't be operational until 2019 due to training, doctrine issues.

T-50 is in bad weather, Russia has no money & is lacking in technology to deliver it in time. As things are going IAF won't have operational T-50 before 2020-21

Our sixteens & seventeens plus SAMs, AWACs can do their primari job just fine till 2020, we don't need a new platform. More Block-52s are welcomed, however another solution would be to buy 60 odd Norwegian sixteens and put them through SABR F-16V AESA upgrade. 60 odd AESA upgraded F-16s will give us equal capability to Rafale, in strong numbers.

FC-31 is a great prospect. We ought to join the program along the lines of JF-17 Thunder program. I expect it to be operational around 2020-21 timeline.

@araz

Sir in current environment we have to stop being to much India centric no doubt it's our mortal enemy.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

If memory serves me right, the Iraqis did order the Blk52+ but hey are getting is slightly inferior. @Windjammer any details?

Secondly, like I've said on this forum before, IF you wan to upgrade PAF's capability in a short span of time, then upgrade the current F16's with SABR APG-83.

Capability can be upgraded though and does not require any structural changes. If Pakistan gets the 18 block 52's it had to delay and the remaining 10 IQ that would give 28 more block 52's. This would be enough for the time being to counter the 36 Rafale's that India has ordered.