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[fatman17]

A question here. By the end of this year i think in october or november a new government will be in placed in the US. My question is that if for some reason US decides to put sactions on pakistan(i am not going into an argument whether they will or not, let us suppose they did) do they legally can withheld PAF's F-16s which will be in the US by then for the MLU or even if they again strip it down to its basic configuration and return it. Is it possible or not.

icecold you make a good point and there is a similar example. france delayed delivery of sagem upgraded mirages in 98 we went nuclear but subsequently returned all 40 aircraft upgraded.

now one cannot predict what will happen but it is clear that with a new democratic (?) govt in pak and a new admn in the US, sanctions will not be the top of the mind issue, rather will pak continue to help/assist in the WoT and therefore such knee-jerk re-actions will not be in their interest. anyway the new admn wants to triple economic aid to pak, so also see positive movement on the FMS side too. remember McCain still has a good chance to win in november. its not going to be a cake-walk for the dems.

 

[EagleEyes]

as far as F-16s are concerned. so far 6 have been further delivered. 32+6 = 38 (2 full sqdns of 18 ea)

When did the two more arrive?

 

[fatman17]

When did the two more arrive?

sources say around Dec-07

 

[IceCold]

icecold you make a good point and there is a similar example. france delayed delivery of sagem upgraded mirages in 98 we went nuclear but subsequently returned all 40 aircraft upgraded.

So wouldnt it be better if the upgrades would have took place in turkey instead of US? Or will sactions would have similar effect irrespective of where the jets are.

 

[ejaz007]

If we look at history then US Pakistan relations have flourished during dictatorship in Pakistan and detriorated during democracy. Example is US-Pakistan relations during Zia ul haq times when the two countries had good relations and Benazir-Nawaz Sharif-US times when we were put under sanctions.
What ever the situation I personally believe our best of relations time has passed and its back to business as usual. With democratic government coming in power in couple of weeks in Pakistan it will be difficult for them to accept all demands and to do business as was done by Musharaf. Sanctions might be on cards especially if Americans don't do good in Afghanistan. Then the blame shall be shifted to Pakistan. Lets wait and see.
As far as blocking F-16s is concerned every thing is possible. The only thing we need to do is to prepare our course of action in case of such an eventuality.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

This was expected!

 

[JK!]

The latest issue is well worth getting as there is a fantastic article on Cobra gunships operating in FATA.

 

[fatman17]

The latest issue is well worth getting as there is a fantastic article on Cobra gunships operating in FATA.

we in pakistan have to wait until 1st week of April to get AFM.

 

[JK!]

we in pakistan have to wait until 1st week of April to get AFM.

This article is excellent . It shows that despite all the talk by the west of Pakistan needing to do more decisive action is being taken.

 

[fatman17]

This article is excellent . It shows that despite all the talk by the west of Pakistan needing to do more decisive action is being taken.

thanks JK - there was never any doubt in our minds!

 

[fatman17]

AFM News - April -08 issue:

1. French Rafales deploy to Kandahar: Feb-08. 3 Aramee del Air a/c have been posted at kandahar air base in support of ISAF ops. previously they were operating from air base in Tajikistan.

2. France was ready to transfer technology enabling Brazil to build the Rafale in that country as a follow-on to a deal to manufacture 50 Cougar helicopters and a Scorpene submarine in the south american nation.

3. Formal IAF Hawk induction ceremony: the BAE systems Hawk AJT was inducted into the IAF service at a formal ceremony at Bidar AF station on Feb-23-08. a total of 66 a/c are on order with the IAF considering a follow-on order for 40 a/c and the IN interested in a order for 17 a/c. total potential sales of the Hawk AJT reaching 106 + 17 for the IAF and IN respectively.

4. Sukhoi Su-35-1 Maiden Flight: the multi-role fighter for the Russian AF undertook its first flight on Feb-18-08. built at KnAPPO factory. the latest variant of the flanker family features a reshaped wing, 2 new advanced 31,967 Ib thrust NPO Saturn 117S engines, the Tikhomirov NHP ibis-E advanced phased -array radar and a latest generation infra-red search and track system. max weapons load will be 8,000 kg. 1st deliveries taking place from around 2010.

5. Back on the Beat: a very detailed article on the resumption of long-range bomber flights of the Russian TU-95MS Bear-H's in international airspace.

6.RAF at 90: a great Air Force report on the RAF with complete report on the deployment of various AF assets.

7. Cobras over the Frontier: assessment of the PA use of the Cobra AH-1F in the fight to police the rugged tribal belt on Pakistans western border with Afghanistan. (will provide a detailed summary shortly)

 

[specialservices]

i think there was only one Mi-24 which came across the border and it was defected, but later the chopper and the pilot was returned to the USSR.

 

[fatman17]

i think there was only one Mi-24 which came across the border and it was defected, but later the chopper and the pilot was returned to the USSR.

they r both still parked at samugli-quetta. they have afghan markings.

 

[fatman17]

AFM News - May-08 Issue:

1. Turkey has approved plans to purchase 100 F-35s: delivery will commence from 2012 and complete by 2021 @ 10 a/c per year.

2. J-11B enters PLAAF service: during early feburary the PLAAF took delivery of an initial two Shenyang J-11Bs. they have joined 1st DIV/1st REG at anshan. at three prototypes have been flying for some years. based on the SU-27SK, the J-11B has been redically modified with 90% of its sub-systems produced in china. various chinese AAMs and ASMs are expected to be integrated onto the J-11B which will also be fitted with the chinese developed WS-10A taihang turbofan engine. this is said to be similar in technology and performance to the russian Lyulka-Saturn AL-31F. a two-seat version designated J-11BS is under development and testing.

3. Pakistan takes delivery of six more JF-17s:a further six chengdu JF-17 thunder a/c have now been delivered to the PAF following on from the initial two which arrived in pakistan last year. an official PAF announcement confirmed their delivery and said that they had been inducted into the PAF for test & evaluation flying (TEF) at the PAC-Kamra. four of them were scheduled to take part in the pakistan day flypast on march 23rd.
as previously reported local series production of the JF-17 in pakistan began recently. an initial batch of 150 a/c will be built. the 1st 50 with chinese avionics. the next batch will be fitted with indigenously developed avionics and european radar.

4. China begins production of Mi-17Is: production of Mil Mi-17Is helicopters in china appears to have started according to a press release from Chengdu. this confirmed the successful test flying of the 1st chinese assembled Mi-17I. the Chengdu helicopter facility is reported to be able to assemble 80 helicopters annually.

5. Pakistan AF Hercules diverts into oporto: PAF C-130E 4177 from 6 sqdn at chaklala diverted into oporto airport, portugal on march 12 onroute from lejas, azores to nice, france. it made a safe emergency landing after the no.1 engine failed. on march 15 L100 4144 arrived with a spare engine, equipment and technicians to carry out repairs.

 

[niaz]

Over the week-end I overheard an Indian Doctor at a friend's house.
He claimed that his son is working on a hush hush project for the USAF in California. I managed to strike a conversation with the gentleman and tried to know a little more about the project.

The doctor said that all he knew was that this project involves building a laser gun whereby you target the antenna of the eneny plane with a concentrated microwave beam. Since nearly all of the future aircrafts will be "Fly by wire", microwaves will damage the computer managing the controls, causing the aircraft to crash.

I would presume antenna is needed by every aircraft to communicate with the ground control, thus every aircaft is vulnerable; this is truly science fiction stuff. Suppose Hon Murad would be able to elucidate a little more??